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K98k
December 2nd, 2000, 04:32 PM
I'd like to see some Microsoft employees weigh-in with an opinion about their products. It's easy to pan WinXX when you spend most of your time making good hardware work with a recalcitrant OS but who's fault is it? I'd like to hear from the people that actually write the Microsoft OS and applications. What compromises went into writing the code and why. It would be nice to read what ex-employees have to say as well. For all the pain that Windows can cause, it does get along well with an amazing variety of hardware. It seems to me that if some of the other hardware vendors put a bit more effort into writing stable drivers for their parts, the whole system would work much better. Or is Microsoft still too hesitant to release enough information so that hardware vendors can actually write good code? (HP scanners, tape drives and CD-RW's are my biggest pain)

jaeger
December 2nd, 2000, 08:08 PM
We are Microsoft. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. (sorry, couldn't resist http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum/smile.gif)

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FH Shinji
December 2nd, 2000, 08:51 PM
I think that the borg said Strength is irrelevent. Resistance is futile.

Could be just me, though


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BreakWindows
December 3rd, 2000, 01:13 AM
Originally posted by K98k:
I'd like to see some Microsoft employees weigh-in with an opinion about their products. It's easy to pan WinXX when you spend most of your time making good hardware work with a recalcitrant OS but who's fault is it? I'd like to hear from the people that actually write the Microsoft OS and applications. What compromises went into writing the code and why. It would be nice to read what ex-employees have to say as well. For all the pain that Windows can cause, it does get along well with an amazing variety of hardware. It seems to me that if some of the other hardware vendors put a bit more effort into writing stable drivers for their parts, the whole system would work much better. Or is Microsoft still too hesitant to release enough information so that hardware vendors can actually write good code? (HP scanners, tape drives and CD-RW's are my biggest pain)


Microsoft usually makes deals with companies to release MS-compatible periph's. lt is the company's job to write the drivers, and the OS' job to make sure they can all work together...MS's problem is they are usually more concerned with the feature du'jour, and take stability and things like driver interaction as a distant second priority (eg: the DoJ trial; Win98 was delayed because they had to rewrite the way they integrated MSIE with the kernel, but devices for Win98 were already out and drivers already available. Did anyone wonder why the first release of Win98 was crippling?? oh, but it looked pretty! http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum/wink.gif)


Love or hate MS, l doubt anyone will deny, MS is just not very good at making programs/drivers play well with the others. l mean, l've played around with tons of Macs and UNIXes, and l haven't seen as many "software conflicts" COMBINED as l have on any one Windows machine.




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clascomp
December 4th, 2000, 11:05 PM
So when ARE the MS reps showing up?

Danrak
December 5th, 2000, 07:45 AM
Originally yelled by clascomp:
So when ARE the MS reps showing up?

Somehow I don't think any show up here. Maybe they think if they don't hear about the problems then they don't exist?
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3fingersalute
December 5th, 2000, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by clascomp:
So when ARE the MS reps showing up?


I don't think that's gonna happen anytime in the near future. And if it did, I don't think they would mention they are a MS programmer in a forum like this!

Can you say flamed to death?


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kornesque
December 5th, 2000, 02:28 PM
there's MS employees all over here, but few are programmers.
-drew

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