Thought I would start a thread seeing what the general tech feeling on the Duron is. I personally have been impressed with their speed and reliability(this coming from an Intel DIE-HARD). Although they tend to get a little overheated, you can get an 800MHZ CPU for around $100. Unbelievable!
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Paul Cunningham
December 5th, 2000, 05:05 PM
Well, I've got a 700Mhz one and haven't considered getting an athlon yet.
Nuff said
Imagenatas
December 5th, 2000, 07:20 PM
I know the feeling dude. I've been an Intel guy since the Pentium days but, everytime I read anything about benchmarking and testing between Celerons and Durons it shows me the Duron kicks the the Celeron's *ss. I don't know. I haven't broken down yet but, I'm leaning towards it everyday I look at my P2 400 and my wallet. As much as I've loved Intel over the last few years. It looks like AMD has the upperhand on the testing and word of mouth. Time to build another machine and find out!
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CREEPINGDEATH
December 6th, 2000, 02:07 PM
Fast ,Cheap ,and bang for your buck what more can you ask for?
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LORE
December 6th, 2000, 02:09 PM
Not for the gammer, but I am all the way AMD, They put more money into development and lowering end user prices, instead of paying blue guys to do dumb stuff. The Duron is The best bang for your buck!!!
Darren Wilson
December 6th, 2000, 07:00 PM
I won't touch them for reasons posted previously on the Forums, same with the Athlons.
The main reason is that the Motherboards are still not reliable enough for me. Until AMD and the chipset manufacturers come up with a combination that is as stable as the Intel combinations, I will stick to selling Intel based systems only. Also had a very high failure rate compared to the quantities sold in comparison wiht Intel CPU's.
One man's opinions and it works for me.
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Sowulo
December 6th, 2000, 08:05 PM
I'm with Darren...
jimmr13
December 6th, 2000, 09:11 PM
I have built a couple and I have had no complants! But My personal every day system has a PIII 1Gig. But next month it will be a PIV 1.5 Gb. http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum/biggrin.gif
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Larommi
December 6th, 2000, 09:31 PM
I see another thread turned into an AMD vs. Intel again...how fun!!
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NPaladin
December 6th, 2000, 11:11 PM
Originally posted by Darren Wilson:
I won't touch them for reasons posted previously on the Forums, same with the Athlons.
The main reason is that the Motherboards are still not reliable enough for me. Until AMD and the chipset manufacturers come up with a combination that is as stable as the Intel combinations, I will stick to selling Intel based systems only. Also had a very high failure rate compared to the quantities sold in comparison wiht Intel CPU's.
I don't know what to tell you, but between Athlons and Durons, I've built about 100 thunderbird-based systems. I've NEVER had a low-quality problem with the processors. THe boards, yeah, but only because my boss at the time lived by FIC motherboards. I personally use Microstar and Asus, and they're great (The Microstar Athlon boards are the absolute most stable around, actually)
I implore you to check these components out (and make sure you have proper cooling on your CPU) and then reconsider your opinion.
AMD Duron is the equivalent of an Intel Celeron. It would not be fair to compare it against a P3 or anything. Keeping that in mind, Duron is the superior choice.
More Speed, More Value
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3fingersalute
December 7th, 2000, 08:30 AM
I have to admit, I haven't ever even seen a Duron and to date we've only sold 4 Athlons.
We might not be giving them a fair try, but we had so many headaches with the K6-2 line, that we just quit selling AMD at all, unless a customer comes specifically requesting them.
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pga
December 7th, 2000, 09:40 AM
Originally posted by 3fingersalute:
I have to admit, I haven't ever even seen a Duron and to date we've only sold 4 Athlons.
We might not be giving them a fair try, but we had so many headaches with the K6-2 line, that we just quit selling AMD at all, unless a customer comes specifically requesting them.
ditto....
TrackMan
December 7th, 2000, 10:22 AM
you can compare the duron and PIII, however, because in some things, like mpeg4 creation, the duron will actually beat a pIII of equal or higher clock speed. I saw an article about it somewhere on tom's hardware.
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Larommi
December 7th, 2000, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by NPaladin:
At least is isn't as childish as the Bush-Gore thing....yet.
LOL!!
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Snommis69
December 7th, 2000, 10:33 AM
As for bang-for-the-buck, Duron rules. I am not a zealot for any company's products. I look purely at price vs. performance. On pricewatch, you can score a Duron 600 for less that $50. *WOW*! Others here have brought up stability issues. Personally, I have not seen any problems in this area that were proc related. As always, the quality of the supporting cast is the determining factor. Hell, I ran a Cyrix 233MX on an Amptron 8400 mobo for a full year, glitch-free! And that is a chip most describe as, well, crap. I don't care if it is Intel, IDT, AMD, Cyrix or whatever, slap it on a crappy PCCHIPS mobo, and you are in for trouble!
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Darren Wilson
December 7th, 2000, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by NPaladin:
I don't know what to tell you, but between Athlons and Durons, I've built about 100 thunderbird-based systems. I've NEVER had a low-quality problem with the processors. THe boards, yeah, but only because my boss at the time lived by FIC motherboards. I personally use Microstar and Asus, and they're great (The Microstar Athlon boards are the absolute most stable around, actually)
I implore you to check these components out (and make sure you have proper cooling on your CPU) and then reconsider your opinion.
The Microstar boards are what we had tried using (K7T-Pro series). Still nowhere near as stable as an Intel platform.
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BadCache
December 7th, 2000, 10:35 PM
I used to think Intel was stable to untill I replaced about 15 CC820 boards and had to eat the labor on it. I am not impressed with the 810 either.
But since that is not the topic of the post...
I like the Duron's. Compared to any other chip this one is a solid performer. With an Asus A7V and 128mb ram running Win2k its absolutely screams!
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unikey
December 8th, 2000, 04:36 AM
I've found the duron's to be great value for money and at least as stable as the intel platform if you pick your hardware carefully
(Abit board,Ati VGA, Creative Labs Sound, Diamond Modems)
Simon
CobraTekMax
December 8th, 2000, 07:58 AM
We've sold god knows how many Durons and T-birds at my shop, and I can't complain one bit about them. The only reason any AMD should give anyone problems is the choice of chipsets *COUGH*VIA*COUGH. But as I've said before, if you do your setup by the book, and install all of VIA's patches and drivers first, there won't BE any problems. I've been running my 800MHz T-bird at home OCed to 944 (through the FSB, no less, an absolute no-no according to VIA) on an ABIT KT-7 Raid for the past two months, with NO crashes at all, and only rebooting when I change OSes or a Software install requires it.
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runderwo
December 8th, 2000, 09:48 PM
"Still nowhere near as stable as an Intel platform."
You're simply doing something wrong somewhere, that's all there is to it.
I'm not denying the fact that Intel works better for you at all, because that's your experience and cannot be denied.
But seriously... if the system is built correctly, you'll crash more often because of Windows poor design than anything else, and that's a fact.
We have two AMD servers that have been running 24/7 since September. One is a K6/3-450 and the other is an Athlon 500 on a KA7.
Granted, the Athlon system doesn't see 24/7 usage since the K6/3 is the file server; and granted, we're not running Windows; and granted, it's not Socket-A, which people have been reporting the most problems with. But give AMD some credit. The problems people have are generally NOT AMD'S FAULT, and I can easily attest to that by the fact that we have two solid, completely reliable systems built on AMD..
Cooling is the main thing that is skimped on. I can't iterate how often I've seen a dead or flaky Socket-A system where the heatsink is completely cockeyed, bare-bottomed, or grease is so slathered on the plate that it's getting all over the mainboard even.
Using (in the shop) GlobalWin fans and AAVID phase-change compound as recommended by AMD, we have a winner every single time.
I will agree that there are occasional RMA on CPU's (DOA) that we obviously never see with Intel chips. It's a bit annoying, but nothing compared to the price we save for the performance we gain. And at least the CPU don't die a week after build, like WDC drives have been doing like crazy lately. It's a lot easier to replace a CPU while in build process, than rebuild and reload a system and explain to customer why their data is gone forever. http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum/smile.gif
CREEPINGDEATH
December 11th, 2000, 11:42 PM
Originally posted by jimmr13:
I have built a couple and I have had no complants! But My personal every day system has a PIII 1Gig. But next month it will be a PIV 1.5 Gb. http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum/biggrin.gif
Damn man do you really have to upgrade that often?
I guess this is one sign you don't have to answer to anyone huh?
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kennethstarrfp
December 12th, 2000, 03:55 AM
ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Over in Ozzie land, ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Duron is the ONLY CPU that NEEDS A NEW MOTHERBOARD. Over here, NOTHING else SUPPORTS a Socket A. So, basically you have to replace your old CPU AND buy a NEW MOTHERBOARD!!! It won't take off here because we are too smart poor.
Too many dumbs, not enough smarts! LOL!
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evilcabbage
December 13th, 2000, 09:28 PM
Okilee Dokilee.. over here in 'ozzie land' again...
I have just got myself a Duron 700, and it cranks. The thing that is letting me down at the moment, is the incredibly shoddy motherboard Im using (Aopen AK33 .. *shudder*...)
I probably wont upgrade now for another 2 years... I generally flog my PCs to death, before I do anything else with them.
evilcabbage
December 13th, 2000, 09:30 PM
Okilee Dokilee.. over here in 'ozzie land' again...
I have just got myself a Duron 700, and it cranks. The thing that is letting me down at the moment, is the incredibly shoddy motherboard Im using (Aopen AK33 .. *shudder*...)
I probably wont upgrade now for another 2 years... I generally flog my PCs to death, before I do anything else with them.
algorithm_x
December 14th, 2000, 02:23 AM
Ok, The system I am on now, has a T-bird 850, with Micron pc 133 ram, and the Giga-Byte GA-7ZX I am running Windows 2000 ( I know windows sucks ,but i cant go to LEEENUUCKKS due to web design, and games issues)with sp 1 and I havent had a crash in 4 1/2 months since i put it together. Sitting next to me as a domain controller is an Intel system; Intel 440bx board mushkin pc 100 ram and 600 processor, which unlike the via chipset does not require patches for the operating system. The server has been put together for 7 1/2 months It crashes two to three times a week, It is windows 2000 server with the service pack, at first I thought it was a problem with the proc heat, so I put an alpha on it 82 degrees farenhight and it still crashes, well I tried another board, still crashes, I seem to think Intel Just sucks, I bought this thing because I am originally an AMD man, all the way back to the k5 100 MHz so I figured its stable, right? lets try intel, well it sucks and I will never buy another intel based system, it is AMD all the way they are cheaper, and since November of 99 they are cheaper clock for clock so why buy the more expensive brand? I will spend less, get better stability, and it will work faster. I understand that some of you guys buy the first board to come out with all of the features, well to tell the truth they suck right out of the gate. They have bugs, it is a rush to be the first one to have that new AMD 760 chipset on their board, they give the review places free stuff to get them to say "yea its great go buy it". I will sing like a canary if you give me free kit I will sing opera at your grandmas 90th birthday party for a free Processor or mother board. That doesnt mean it works well, wait for a couple of revisions or BIOS upgrades come out to buy a new board, we are in the 1 GHz plus range now, its not like you will suffer. Well Ill be open to flames, my e-mail is available and so is my singing voice. :P
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kubrick
December 14th, 2000, 04:21 PM
MY two cents:
We have not built an INTeL system since around october. We crank out about 5 Tbird and Duron systems a week with Gigabyte boards or even amptrons for our integrated durons and are quite happy with the reliability/stability record. We dont carry intel procs new either as they depreciate before they get sold, since customers go for the value of AMD.
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