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rusabus
June 19th, 1999, 02:18 AM
A local employment agency called my shop to set up some on-sight service. "Our computers are acting funny, and they need to be formatted and have Windows 95 reinstalled" was the plan.

Yesterday, I arrived on sight with tools in hand, ready to take care of the problem -- only thing was, there was no problem. Windows was functioning perfectly on both computers. Their network was fully functional, their special accounting software -- everything. The only *real* problem was the double click speed for the mouse was turned all the way up on one computer, and nobody could start any programs on the desktop. I worked for about an hour trying to find any problems, and asked an employee at the agency to try and produce some problems -- but nothing went wrong. As I left, I explained to the receptionist (only employee present at the time) that I didn't feel that a reformat/reinstall was necessary, but that I would do one if she incisted, or return on-site within 30 days for free if any problems did arise.

Twenty minutes after I returned to my shop, I received a wonderful phone call from "the boss." You can imagine the quality conversation we had. She was irate! I could hardly say a word for the first five minutes of the conversation. She went on about how I was asked to do a job, and was going to charge for not doing it. After she calmed down a little bit, we began to discuss her problems, and some possible solutions. It turns out that her computers had a previous owner, and that there were still about 200 saved documents from that previous owner still on the hard drive. She wanted these documents, along with any un-necessary programs to be removed. In her own words, she wanted a "clean slate." She argued that her fancy KCML accounting program was malfunctioning, and that a format was necessairy to fix it. I mentioned that since this KCML program of hers was DOS based, a reinstall of windows would have no impact on it's performance or stability. She still insisted. Deep down inside, I wanted to delete the saved documents and uninstall the programs, but even more that that, I didn't want to argue. I agreed to return on-site the next morning and reformat/reinstall, and waive off one hour from the bill.

The morning I arrived, and prepared for my work. Before proceeding, I made absolutely sure that everyone understood that what I was about to do would destroy EVERYTHING on the hard drive. ANY PROGRAM OR DATA NOT BACKED UP WOULD BE GONE FOREVER. They reassured me that they understood, and had made backups, and had all the original disks; and asked me to get on with it. It was probably the easiest reinstall that I have ever done. It went perfectly, no problems at all. I got windows up and running, all the drivers taken care of, reinstalled their programs, and then did the same to their other computer. (actually, I cut a corner, and just ghosted the drive over, so the second computer took less than 10 minutes.) I asked the receptionists (once again, the boss was out) to look over the computers and make sure everything was there, said goodbye, and left.

Wouldn't you know it? About an hour after I got back to the shop, I got another call. "The boss" again. "I've got a question about the work you did on our computers" she asked. "The KCML is still on there, Right?"

"No" I explained "your installation disk was corrupt. I told you this yesterday, but you still wanted me to procede, even though I wouldn't be able to reinstall."

"Okay, I was just asking."

Why did I have a feeling I would hear from her again? Sure enough, about an hour later she called (now it gets interesting) "Hi, can you get back our KCML program, since it is a DOS program, and you only reinstalled windows?"

"No, like I said, everything on the hard drive would be gone forever."

"But you said that reformatting and reinstalling Windows wouldn't affect our KCML program."

What I told her was that I didn't think that reinstalling windows would fix problems related to her DOS based KCML program, and that the problems were likely to be internal to the program. I guess she didn't understand the meaning of losing EVERYTHING on her hard drive.

We argued back and forth about whether I told her that formatting wouldn't affect DOS programs until we came to the conclusion that it didn't matter what I told her, because KCML was gone, and the only way to get it back was to obtain a new installation floppy. She claimed that the only way this program could be reinstalled was if someone drove here (Caldwell, ID) from their corporate offices in Seattle and installed it themselves. It would serve 'em right. They called me and asked me to fix a problem, but not to use any of my expertice. I got chewed out for not doing it their way, then got chewed out for doing exactly what they asked. Go figure.

And to think -- I threw in a Y2K check for free. (poor saps aren't fully compliant . . . 198 days to revenge http://www.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum/smile.gif )

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Krandia
June 26th, 1999, 12:17 PM
Dont you Just Love Customers That Turn Your Words Around and Flip Them Back at You!!
AHHHHHHHHHHhhh They Should Be Skinned And Hand Boiled In A Tank Of Battery Acid!!!

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Grogan
June 26th, 1999, 04:17 PM
That's what you get for trying to be a nice guy rusabus. The job of technical support is a thankless one.

Even helping your friends can be a piss off, you do something, fix something, update something and everything is working perfectly when you leave. Next time you hear from them you get the old "ever since you were here last..." with a tone implying that what you did is the cause of all their recent problems. You go there and find a few things that have occurred since that they've neglected to tell you and the problem or annoyance is totally unrelated to your previous visit.

Oh well, as long as its something I can fix I don't mind it. It only stems from them not understanding the workings of their computer and operating system and I try and explain as best I can.

This, of course, doesn't compare with your above experience when its a customer that is even jokingly threatening not to pay, but its the same thing; a result of the customer's ignorance.

Grogan

Grogan

rusabus
June 27th, 1999, 04:11 AM
UPDATE --

I told my boss / the owner of the store where I work my story. (he was on vacation for a week when I did this service call, I would have gone with him and his family if it wasn't for this call . . . anyway) He called and talked to the manager. From what I hear, it was quite a heated conversation. I don't think I need to worry about ever going back there http://www.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum/frown.gif . Maybe there will be more developments, maybe a lawsuit for lost productivity. We'll see.

Darren Wilson
June 27th, 1999, 05:33 AM
I agree with you Rusabus. I know what it is like, telling a customer you have to format their system and they then SUDDENLY realise after it has been done that they forgot to back up the data.

We have a disclaimer form which the customer has to sign before we even touch the system,that if any data is lost we cannot be held responsible. I love it when they do not read all the disclaimer and then try to take legal proceedings against something that they missed , but signed for!!!!!!!!!!

Why do people think that a Techs life is an easy one??????

Krandia
June 27th, 1999, 09:36 AM
Okay at times our work is thankless..and a Mega headach.. But it comes with the Biz. In any Business anyone opens up, You will always get some jerks that dont understand no matter How You explain it to them..

oldman
June 27th, 1999, 09:05 PM
it is a lot like that in other service business' to as an automechanic years ago when ever you did a favor it came back to bite you. Have had to take a hardline attitude every time now. auto & computers

Macgyver V2
July 25th, 1999, 04:25 PM
You gotta love those... I had a PC cross the bench with a nice 2 GB SCSI and the drive didn't work.. I told this customer that there was no way I could fix the drive and that I would replace the drive and some of her programs, (Win95 and Office) She said that she understood, (yeah right) to this day I'm getting phonecalls from her asking me about where her old documents are.... (Ugh!)
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Tip: Never give a customer your home phone number!

Damned Angel
August 13th, 1999, 04:32 PM
if its not on my bench at the time they call, they go straight to out tech support rep. He loves chewing people out.

centerfield
October 23rd, 1999, 02:10 AM
rule number 1

NEVER trust the client to do anything. i have situations like yours often, but am always prepared. easiest thing to do is keep a spare hd or two with you and copy or ghost the clients before reformat. you'll be glad u did

Larommi
October 30th, 1999, 03:43 AM
Love the opening story. You would be amazed at what a signed waiver to release you from liability will get you in court. Usually a check in the win column. I had a friend that did the same thing. He had a signed work order detailing what he was doing and a waiver against data loss. Long story short he has sued and won. The person told the judge that was his signatures on the forms and the judge dismissed the case.