[RESOLVED] Stop, Don't Overclock !!! [Archive] - WinDrivers Computer Tech Support Forums

Larommi

December 22nd, 2000, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by Darren Wilson:
I agree Desert Eagle.

One little tip for those of you out there with problems on overclocked systems. Try resetting the system back to the stated speed on the chip before posting



Or bringing it in to the shop and complaining it does not run right!! Oh wait, I get paid good money to set jumpers...nevermind!

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Yanish

December 23rd, 2000, 02:09 AM

Quite right if the overclocking was so simple and easy then the proceesors would come readly like this.
The whole point is that overclocking may work like a charm or may just make your system seriously unstable. http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum/smilies/cwm16.gif

AlienDyne

December 23rd, 2000, 03:11 AM

I agree too!

After all, you don't have the right to ask for service when your machine is overclocked!

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MDD1963

December 23rd, 2000, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by DesertEagle:
Please, if you do overclock, don't complain. So if things go wrong I feel yer pain but that is life in the fast lane !!!!

Yes, but several months back, it was so easy (4 keystrokes in BIOS) to OC a P3/600E to 800EB speeds without a stutter...as the P3/800EB was pushing $640 at the time, it was at least a minor victory on the budget front!)

weazel

December 24th, 2000, 02:05 AM

overclocking is a hobby...it is far from a refined art...i mean think about it...why would anyone put a $130 refrigeration unit on a $55 processor? its fun thats why..if it fries so what go buy a new processor...if you want stability and performance don't do it...on the other hand if tweaking the crap out of a pentium 566 to run at 932 is fun then be prepared for system freezes, windows protection errors and the sort...if your gonna do it, read all there is to read first...get to know the limitations of the hardware you have...not all processors overclock and some processors overclock better on other motherboards...buy big fans to keep the beast cool...or just drop a few extra dollars and buy a faster cpu...usually performance gains are perceptual in most cases...a celeron 566 running at 850 is easily outperformed by its PIII counterpart running at its default settings...don't think big mhz on cheap cpus means superior performance cause it doesn't always. I have more money invested in cooling stuff then in processors themselves, but its a hobby...when i need stability i clock back to the designed clock speed and leave it....ok, i'm done...sorry guys...i just get umpteen people asking me about 'guarnteed' overclock performance all the time ... and there aren't any guarntees...there...i feel better now...

iateyourcat

December 26th, 2000, 05:54 AM

Originally posted by Weazel:
overclocking is a hobby...

amen. the superchaged civic is a good analogy too. it's fun to tweak. my PIII 800 runs at 920 and stably (until directx 8 but that's fixed). i bought a good board and a good fan. i did a bunch of research and drooled over specs, compared benchmarks, bought it and hoped for the best.

i can't see an overclocker asking for support from non overclockers.. it's like a nascar mechanic running down to sears to see if they can recommend how many thousandths to grind out of the intake ports..

if someone comes in expecting support or a warranty on an overclocked machine, you should laugh them out of the store.

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3fingersalute

December 26th, 2000, 06:27 AM

Agreed.

When people ask for reccomendations on overclocking, I always tell them that there is a reason the processor is labeled as a 600 and not an 800......Obviusly when tested by Intel, AMD, etc.......it only ran stabily at 600!!!

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unknownGHOST

December 30th, 2000, 04:00 PM

Why do you overclock? You buy a processor or system at a speed you want or can afford...why risk damaging a possibly good processor just to got a few MHz faster? You won't see much of a difference anyhow. Oh WOW! 700 to 733! Major speed jump there.

You shouldn't be messing with computers like that if you are too cheap to go and buy a better piece of hardware. That or your a bum trying to hit it rich somewhere by doing that.

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MDD1963

December 31st, 2000, 11:42 AM

Originally posted by 3fingersalute:
When people ask for reccomendations on overclocking, I always tell them that there is a reason the processor is labeled as a 600 and not an 800......Obviusly when tested by Intel, AMD, etc.......it only ran stabily at 600!!!

An interesting theory, but quite flawed. Typically, Intel will make several processors on an identical core, separating them only by multiplier. Several are tested at *only* the speed for which they were binned/intended, and they could and easily do run at the higher speeds within their core limitations. (Many folks run 650E's at 866, and many more 700's at 933...equating to possibly a few hundred extra dollars worth of performance...for free.)

As for AMD processors, it is a known fact that several of the older Athlon 550's and 600's were built on 700 and 750 cores, and were even labled as such. It's an identical core, just multiplier locked acording to how many of each speed grade they were producing...and with AMD, you can unlock the multipliers.

Case in point...purchased a new 600E several months back, when they were retailing for about $290...a few keystokes in BIOS, and presto, 800EB performance via th 133 MHZ FSB. At the time, the 800EB was retailing for $645. Theoretically, $345 saved vice simply buying an 800EB. (No, no core voltage increase was necessary, and the processor ran a whole 10 deg F warmer, at a "crispy" 85 deg F!) http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum/smile.gif

cheezmonkey

January 4th, 2001, 10:09 AM

I agree. I dont know a lot about overclocking and i dont claim to, but everything said by the guy above me i have heard/read a million times. Shame my celeron 400 at my desk here at work locks up at more than 411 mhz. o well. time to sneak in a bigger fan methinks http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum/smilies/cwm16.gif

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DaOnly123Kid

January 14th, 2001, 10:43 PM

Originally posted by Weazel:
overclocking is a hobby...it is far from a refined art...i mean think about it...why would anyone put a $130 refrigeration unit on a $55 processor? its fun thats why..if it fries so what go buy a new processor...if you want stability and performance don't do it...on the other hand if tweaking the crap out of a pentium 566 to run at 932 is fun then be prepared for system freezes, windows protection errors and the sort

Windows freezes all the time anyway...so whats a couple of extra times a week going to matter if i'm saving a crapload of money!!!!

mptyza

January 18th, 2001, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by unknownGHOST:
Why do you overclock? You buy a processor or system at a speed you want or can afford...why risk damaging a possibly good processor just to got a few MHz faster? You won't see much of a difference anyhow. Oh WOW! 700 to 733! Major speed jump there....


I'm sorry, but my PII 300 has been running stable at 464. How is 164 a few MHz faster?

Think before you post.

Jallentino

January 18th, 2001, 11:39 AM

We over clock, because we can. Living on the edge, flying faster than ever before, right to the edge of the envelope. Hey I think thats from TOP GUN. Anyway, I agree, high performance has a price, and stability is one of them. I have overclocked things up 100mhz and I think the noticable difference was in my head. I just let my 800 run at 800, life is easier that way.

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CREEPINGDEATH

January 19th, 2001, 12:05 AM

i've always been an overclocker i buy procs. and motherboards specifically only if they are stress tested beforehand.

maybe it's because of that fact but i've never had a singel chip fry on me.

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Komok

January 27th, 2001, 05:40 AM

That's where one makes his own decision

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ikarus1

January 27th, 2001, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by MDD1963:
An interesting theory, but quite flawed. Typically, Intel will make several processors on an identical core, separating them only by multiplier. Several are tested at *only* the speed for which they were binned/intended, and they could and easily do run at the higher speeds within their core limitations. (Many folks run 650E's at 866, and many more 700's at 933...equating to possibly a few hundred extra dollars worth of performance...for free.)

As for AMD processors, it is a known fact that several of the older Athlon 550's and 600's were built on 700 and 750 cores, and were even labled as such. It's an identical core, just multiplier locked acording to how many of each speed grade they were producing...and with AMD, you can unlock the multipliers.

Case in point...purchased a new 600E several months back, when they were retailing for about $290...a few keystokes in BIOS, and presto, 800EB performance via th 133 MHZ FSB. At the time, the 800EB was retailing for $645. Theoretically, $345 saved vice simply buying an 800EB. (No, no core voltage increase was necessary, and the processor ran a whole 10 deg F warmer, at a "crispy" 85 deg F!) http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum/smile.gif



my point exactly - the techical term is called SPEED BINNING and it works for everything from engines with different power ratings to CPU's to refrigerator Energy consumption ratings........
They are all relative RATINGS, not real ones.

You guys who buy into that crap that "Intel would mark it as a Pentium IIVXX 4000Mhz if it was really one" are the same guys that believe that a Civic CAN'T be turbocharged reliably......but I digress. DONT DO IT if you are afraid etc. and as far as service, I have NEVER EVER seen a CPU fail due to overclocking w/o voltage adjustment. HELL, Manufacturers overclock stuff all the time - a Pentium 200 was an overclocked 166 with higher voltage!!@$##$)&*(

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pumpkinhead77

January 30th, 2001, 01:13 PM

well, isnt this a touchy subject for the lot of ya? well, i can's say that im an expert on overclocking as i have only overclocked a celeron and my voodoo 5, i dont see anything wrong with it as long as you dont go overboard (like having to put an air conditioner core in your case)

kingsizer

January 30th, 2001, 07:54 PM

Oh, come on boys, we all know we take our pc's life in our hands when we clock them but...
...get the right components...
...read as much as you can...
...get the utilities...
And go clock. Lets face it, the Celeron 400A & Pentium III600E are asking for it (Isn't that why they invented ATC?). My old PII400 clocked beautifully to 448 with no extra cooling and actually ran BETTER at 412 than it did at 400 - work that one out! Whats the point of those extra few MHZ?? Well, Quake3 ran much more smoothly.
...And we're not just talking CPU's...
...Why if clocking is sooo bad why do graphics card manufacturers supply their own clocking utilities>>?
...Well?
...Go on, get out your Matrox G400, stick a fan on that heatsink and clock it. Funnily enough the screws fit in quite well...

Oh, and by the way Ford take their 1.25 zetec engine and wide-bore it to a 1.4, sell it for 2k more.
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bohr

February 6th, 2001, 12:13 AM

One thing is for sure!!
Overclocking is more of a hobby.

If you feel confident and are well aware of the risks involved with hardware/heat/voiding warranties, then what are you waiting for????

If that computer is being used for a special purpose like a network server where data integrity and stability are very important, then don't f*** with it.

ilovetheusers

February 6th, 2001, 10:33 PM

Can't say I see the point of overclocking. Chancing burning up your system, os might run unstable, etc. With mobo and processor prices as low as they are now for the speed provided I can't say I see the point. I mean, what could you be doing that would make you want to overclock a 1ghz chip? Make Windows crash faster? Too little gain for too much risk.

Still it is fun to wonder if today might be the day your processor dies. It's kinda like the feeling you get when gambling.
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kannibul

February 6th, 2001, 11:04 PM

oh no!!
i cant get my 1Ghz t-bird to go to 2Ghz, darn, i will just have to buy the damn chip when it comes out. overclocking is a waste, granted you cna get away with putting your system into overdrive, but the fact that you could have a meltdown isnt worth it.
i have done the overclocking in the past, and just like chat, it gets retarded after a while.
besides, everyone should know that having a faster chip isnt always faster.
no matter how fast he processor is, without enough ram, its still gonna run like a dog.
that is why i like the 2:1 rule, (processor clock:memory)
my GigHz T-Bird has 512MB ram (thinking of bumping it up to 1GB hehe)

final point:
if processors were meant to go faster than thier rated speeds, then they would be marked as such.

exec2r

February 7th, 2001, 12:35 AM

Its personal preference, but nowadays you can get your CPU to OC more then just 33mhz. Frankly I can’t say that I’ve had to many cases when a customer brought in their computer and the reason was overclocking. Much less claimed it was our fault. The high end 1ghz+ CPU’s aren’t as overclockable as the lower end cpu’s

99% of system failures (1ghz and above) that I’ve seen have been people who built an AMD system off the Internet and bought the wrong heat sink or mounted the heat sink incorrectly.

One person bought an AMD 1.1ghz (from us) and told us he planed to overclock it. He asked for my advice, I told him that at that time there were no CPU Fans Certified for a 1.1ghz CPU and there was a good chance it would fry, he still wanted to overclock so I gave him a 1ghz cert. fan. Per his request I unlocked the Multiplier on the processor /w a pencil and told him that it completely voids any warrantee /w us and with AMD, he accepted it, took it home and fried the living S***T outta the thing, the freaking AMD Logo & Serial were burned into the backside of the Heat Sink. He didn’t use the thermal paste. He brought it back and tried to return the CPU, we told him the warrantee was void, we couldn’t do anything, sorry. (BTW we got the 1.2ghz Cert Fans, they are cool)

Work aside, I love to overclock, unfortunately the AMD CPU’s don’t like heat, the damn things will pop at 160F, and will start running unstably at 140F. Idel temp can easily be 115F and work temp 130F, this running at the correct speed, 1ghz+ AMD’s are already overclocked by AMD, so your pushing the line.

I’m running an ABIT KT7-RAID MB, I did both modifications to the voltage controller chip so I could get the max voltage from the MB. Including Overriding the Over Voltage Protection. Then I have a 175watt Peltier running off a separate power supply /w a copper cold plate, and Copper water block, from which I have a 120 gph pump pumping water threw a radiator and Cool Can /w dry ice (used to cool the fuel line on drag racers).

Unfortunately due to FSB & Multiplier Limitations of the KT7 motherboard I can’t get my 1ghz cpu/system to run stable past 1400mhz. The PCI/AGP Bus Speeds don’t like being so high http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum/frown.gif
1ghz@1.4ghz , 2.23vcore, CPU Temp –4C
The KT7A motherboard isn’t supposed to have these limitations. So when they become available I plan to get one.

I’ve lost 5 AMD 1ghz+ CPUS and two Abit KT7 Motherboards. Sigh maybe I could quit my job and get a job working for abit or amd overclocking products. Sure would be cheaper. But I don’t care, its fun, it’s a rush, and it my gdang money I’ll spend it how I want to. Hehhee
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ThunderVamp9

February 7th, 2001, 12:48 AM

Originally posted by unknownGHOST:
You won't see much of a difference anyhow. Oh WOW! 700 to 733! Major speed jump there.

You shouldn't be messing with computers like that if you are too cheap to go and buy a better piece of hardware

Excuse me, but I overclock my system. I'm running an Athlon Classic 750 at 1100. Is that just a few MHz? And how about this, the core is MARKED as being a 1000. They just slapped it together as a 75- to fit the higher demand for that chip. Now, do the math and figure how much I saved.

It's a hobby for me. I love experimenting with tweaking whatever I can in my system, and playing with my case to get the best cooling. It's stable, and I'm having fun with it. And it pisses my friends off that they paid for their 1G processors, and I paid for a 750. http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum/smile.gif

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sync

February 7th, 2001, 02:55 AM

Dudes
check this out I have a Duron 750Mhz overclocked to 1.1GHZ and wait for it, it is gaurenteed to be stable by the people who sold it to me - www.Overclockers.co.uk (http://www.Overclockers.co.uk) - yep they are a repitable dealer and the system is as stable as it has ever been. No problems it runs at 45 degrees max.

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aaxiomia

February 7th, 2001, 03:03 AM

I do overclock. I think of it as just a part of tweaking the whole system. As soon as I load Windows of any flavor, I go about tweaking it, as most of us do. Overclocking is just tweaking your hardware. I haven't noticed any increased stability problems and I like the performance enhancement. It's not just chip speed, I use sisoft Sandra, check out the memory performance when you oc, mine's up about 50% since I tweaked it.But its really about the fun of getting it to all work.

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kpataska

February 7th, 2001, 07:42 AM

And He said,

"Thou shalt not overclock!"

I'm a staunt Intel MB/CPU fanatic and the only machine I've ever had that was overclocked was my trusty old 37.5MHz 486DX. It had a peltier junction to cool it. It seemed to work just fine. As far as I know this machine is still in operation as a Novell box (for games).

I was young and foolish then. I suppose if I had a tank of liquid nitrogen and a hair up my butt I could sit down and see just how far I could push my Celeron 333... Not on an AL400BX motherboard ;-)

Kenny P.

DesertEagle

February 7th, 2001, 07:52 AM

Wow, it is good to see a mix of people both pro and con on the subject of Overclocking. I like this kind of civilized discussion and we need more of this rather than flaming and throwing insults as has been done by others. This is the kind of stuff that made me want to be a tech on the first place.

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RoboTech

February 7th, 2001, 07:58 AM

Oh, my. Someone just pushed my Eject button http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum/smile.gif

People have the right to do whatever they want with their computers. However, I am sick of their whining and bitching, especially on the mainboard and video card newsgroups, when their "God Given Right" to overclock is interrupted by a part that will only work at it's designed and rated speed. Who do they blame? The reseller, of course, and if the reseller won't take the part back because it won't work at 150% of it's rated and designed spec, they bad-mouth the reseller and try to destroy their reputation.

Oh, and here is a pet peeve of mine. This pisses me off more than anything else in this context.

Some person who is going to build their first computer will post a simple, innocent question like "Should I buy an Athlon 1 Gig or a Pentium III 1 Gig".

Ineveitably, some moron will post a response like "Don't buy either. Buy a Celeron 600, overclock it to 1.x Gigahertz, and save money".

Well, that wouldn't be so bad IF Mr. Super-Geek would bother to FINISH the sentence, and tell the whole story. Like, Overclocking is not Guaranteed. Overclocking can and DOES damage mainboards and processors. Overclocking Video cards CAN damage DDR memory used these days.

No.... They just spout off with their "Hey, it's 100% stable. I only have to reboot when the video goes nuts, and that's only about 4 times an hour".

The number of "100% Stable" statements that require some sort of modifying qualification when in Overclocking discussions is truly hilarious.

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Robo

Coffee_Head

February 7th, 2001, 08:23 AM

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I agree with those of you who state that OCing is more of a hobby. I have a system I built myself and I'm running a AMD Duron 650 on a Asus A7V Mb. This was OC'd to 100Mgz a couple of months ago and has been up and running 24/7 for a couple months now. Of course I do have a Super Orb Dual fan heat sink sitting on top of it and it does the job keeping it nice and cool. But that only cost me $20.00 . Its been worth it. Its been very stable. So, just in case, I do back up once in awhile. But then again, its just a hobby.

stormtech

February 7th, 2001, 08:40 AM

As I have stated before, if you want to overclock your cpu, then you accept the responsability for whatever happens to it. If you fry your board/cpu, don't expect warranty replacement from me!! Do you get a performance increase with overclocking?? Maybe...yeah...but I'd prefer to BUY a more powerfull cpu and run my system without any worries. Also, for those of you that will go out and find information and supporting documents/websites to prove overclocking is fine, then you have way to much time on your hands to begin with. Some people will do anything to prove their point. It doesn't mean that they are right. If in your world overclocking is fine, then congrats, in everbody elses world, it's not. My opions are based on EXPERIENCE, not some magazine article. Thanks for the rant guys! http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum/smilies/cwm41.gif

Randolph

February 7th, 2001, 08:50 AM

If you try to OVERCLOCK you CPU. be sure you have enough knowledge about it and you have an expert companion. OVERCLOCKING could blow off your hardware devices (espcially when is it too expensive) not only your hardware but also your pocket. Dont OVERCLOCK your PC =) that's my main idea. http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum/smilies/cwm12.gif

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skywalker93

February 7th, 2001, 09:03 AM

If you want a faster processor, the BUY the faster processor. Chip prices are a lot lower anyway, don't be so cheap!

Southern Belle

February 7th, 2001, 09:13 AM

It all comes down to: if you can't afford the possible downtime or can't fix it (from either time or money) when it starts to have problems.. . . JUST SAY NO to overclocking!

And please don't do it to someone else's machine. Even with their consent, they will probably forget that important fact when they have to bring it to someone else.

derekb

February 7th, 2001, 09:36 AM

I don't overclock but that's just my personal preference. I know a lot of techs that overclock without any problems. http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum/smilies/cwm20.gif

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streetsideprophet

February 7th, 2001, 09:57 AM

overclocking is a calculated risk that you can chose to take.
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Megawatt

February 7th, 2001, 10:00 AM

Overclock? Tried it once on a p2 233. The increase in performance was just not worth the risk. Windoze is unstable enough without giving it a REASON to want to crash. And anyhow, look at the price of that faster processor you are trying to emulate. Go ahead and buy it. Much safer that way.

ocdt

February 7th, 2001, 10:08 AM

Overclocking is a personal preference, however it really pi@$es me off when a customer comes in complaining his system isn't working right and expecting me to fix it under warranty. if you want to overclock more power to you... but don't yell warranty when it blows up in your face!

Oc-768

February 7th, 2001, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by MDD1963:
An interesting theory, but quite flawed. Typically, Intel will make several processors on an identical core, separating them only by multiplier. Several are tested at *only* the speed for which they were binned/intended, and they could and easily do run at the higher speeds within their core limitations. (Many folks run 650E's at 866, and many more 700's at 933...equating to possibly a few hundred extra dollars worth of performance...for free.)

As for AMD processors, it is a known fact that several of the older Athlon 550's and 600's were built on 700 and 750 cores, and were even labled as such. It's an identical core, just multiplier locked acording to how many of each speed grade they were producing...and with AMD, you can unlock the multipliers.

Case in point...purchased a new 600E several months back, when they were retailing for about $290...a few keystokes in BIOS, and presto, 800EB performance via th 133 MHZ FSB. At the time, the 800EB was retailing for $645. Theoretically, $345 saved vice simply buying an 800EB. (No, no core voltage increase was necessary, and the processor ran a whole 10 deg F warmer, at a "crispy" 85 deg F!) http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum/smile.gif



MDD1963 is correct. I couldn't agree more.
I have had very good success with overclocking. All my home systems are overclocked. I have a 400MHz Celeron@450MHz and an AMD T-Bird 1000@1.1GHz. I don't have any problems related to overclocking. I am just obtaining more value from what I purchase.

I forgot to mention. That T-Bird is in an Abit KT7-Raid Mobo, the FSB is pushed to 110Mhz the PC133 memory is running at 146MHz and the 1000Mhz T-Bird at 1.1GHz. Running Windows 2000 Pro. It is rock stable. (Would you beleive me if I told you that this is my Mom's system? I have that old Celeron!)

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SiCkNuT

February 7th, 2001, 10:20 AM

GO OVERCLOCKERS! Obviously I'm on the side of the overclockers here. I'm all for it, always have been, always will be. It IS a hobby, it IS for budget sake, it IS speed beneficial for the type of people who want to squeeze out every last frame per second and it IS safe if you know what you're doing! I have a celeron 366 overclocked to 550. It's healthy and stable and I've been running it for over a year now. Certain CPUs will overclock alot better than others, pick the right one and you're laughing. I'll never try and tell you that my celeron running at 550 will outperform a PIII of the same or similar rating, I know it won't but hey, I've had my processor for a while now, and if it was actually running at the speed intended I would have had to have upgraded by now to still be running the games and apps I run now. Instead it's still doing a mighty fine job and I haven't had to fork over extra bucks to upgrade. We all know that when processors first come out you are paying premium dollar just for the novelty of having the fastest, and so it works its way down the scale of speed ratings, the slower they get (even though the performance difference is marginal) the cheaper they get. So, when I do need to upgrade, I'll buy a lower end processor for better value and squeeze a bit more out of it and getting the performance of the expensive ones. I'd rather have 2 overclocked processors than one expensive high end one with bugger all performance difference for the same price. That is all...

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Patchkit

February 7th, 2001, 10:28 AM

Well this is better than the What color underwear do do have strings.
I must say that the prevailing opinion is that OC is a hobby. But let me ask a serious question, how much faster is it really between a 1gHz and a 1.2gHz if your ram is at 100 and your FSB is under 200. I know that they speed up along w/ it, but i see only moderate improvement when i sent my Athlon 750 up to a Gig. I saw more boost when i got a 200 FSB instead of the 133 i was running.
Also, the days when you could really get some frigging bang for your buck are going away, uping the 1gHz to a 1.1gHz is not that big of a jump, not like when you took a K6 2 from 90 to 200. I am starting to build a new system for this year, and i must really say that i won't OC this time around.
Just my opinion, oh well.

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iateyourcat

February 7th, 2001, 10:53 AM

i think this question goes a long way in dividing the business guys from the real techs.

overclocking doesn't burn anything up unless your an idiot or your trying to fry something purposely.

boards are designed to tell you somethings wrong. they either don't post, they hang while your os is booting or they randomly crash. if your machine exibits these symptoms, crank it down.

anybody who fries a system deserves to pay for a new one.

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Coffee_Head

February 7th, 2001, 11:22 AM

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I would have to say that I think "iateyourcat and SiCkNut" have got it right.

Digi-Recon

February 7th, 2001, 11:22 AM

Personally I don't see the sense in it. I tried to OC, but my system wouldn't boot. A couple of my friends over clocked thier systems and ended up trashing 'em. Also, after looking up a few things on OC, I noticed something. The AGP port runs off of the PCI bus, and when you change the FSB you change the PCI bus. This doesn't bother the hardy PCI cards, but does damage that expensive AGP video card. Not worth it to me. I'll just get the new MB and CPU.

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jimmm33

February 7th, 2001, 11:43 AM

I overclock. It's a hobby. It's fun and when I jumped into oc'ing I learned all about multipliers, fsb, voltage, and all kinds of stuff. It's fun.

I always advise customers NOT to oc, but if they try I'll fix it at the normal hourly rate.

CREEPINGDEATH

February 7th, 2001, 12:31 PM

I buy my CPU's for the specific reason of overclocking and before i buy i make sure that it can handle the speed i want. I don't blame company's or others if i should fry it.It's all part of the art, sometimes it works out others it dosen't.

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CREEPINGDEATH

February 7th, 2001, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by Megawatt:
Overclock? Tried it once on a p2 233. The increase in performance was just not worth the risk. Windoze is unstable enough without giving it a REASON to want to crash. And anyhow, look at the price of that faster processor you are trying to emulate. Go ahead and buy it. Much safer that way.

I am currently running a 550E pentium 3 at 733 on an ABIT BE6-II. When i was going to buy a proccessor i had a choice of getting a known stabile overclockable chip or spending around $750.00-$800.00 dollars on a 733mhz p3
that's how much they costed at the time. I understand you guys don't mean anything by it and it's just your opinion but some people can't afford this kind of stuff ,so try to keep that in mind when you hear someone overclocking in the next room.

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Now Doctor would you say that It's time for all citizens to crack open thier neigbors heads and feast on what flows forth? "Hmmm yes I would Kent."

jbar1

February 7th, 2001, 01:00 PM

http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum/smilies/cwm9.gif For the most part overclocking is a waste of time and resources. The benchmarks may impress someone but in reality nothing great or exciting happens when you start running various programs. We have a rule of thumb around here when it coms to upgrading a CPU. If you cant double your present speed then save your money and put it in memory and or a bigger or faster HD. If you OC and things just dont work right any more, then thats just tough. If you blow your CPU or board, Don't blame Intel, AMD or whoever made your MoBo. We hear it in here all the time after OCing things just dont work right so evryone gets blamed for bad product. But for some reason it is never the users fault.

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darkspyre0

February 7th, 2001, 01:40 PM

i think that if you want to do it fine, but don't come running and BITCHING about stuff when the store won't give your money back. I mean hey, to act dumb and try to get a replacement is ok, just don't get irate and go crazy... hehe...
Personally i think it's too much trouble to OC, but everyonce in awhile i think i might try it, but never do.

And also with the 1Ghz Tbird out right now for under $200 i think that's fast enough for a good price =]

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OnePoorHombre

February 7th, 2001, 03:02 PM

Go for it I say.

In my mind it's the same thing as taking that V-6 and installing the headers,cam, and multi spark coil. You may run as fast as a V-8..You might blow your motor.

But boy is it fun to tinker with your toys.

Not all my toys are OC'd but most of them are. I know it voids the warranty..I don't care. All of them are stable (some for over 3yrs). Know what can happen and don't cry if you goof and melt something..Do it right and you've got a faster system.

Do you want to just drive the family car or the Hot Rod??
It's your choice..Make it and live with it..

mptyza

February 7th, 2001, 03:44 PM

OK, I just bought a Celeron 633, and am currently waiting for it and it's slotket to come in. 633 is more than enough as it is, but hey, if there is the possibility of it running 950, 980, or even over 1GHz, then what the hell, I'll take the 1GHz+. I mean if I can get over a gig for only $70, compared to the Pentium III 1GHz, at just under $300, then why spend the extra $200? I am not trying to say that it'll perform as well, but I know this may sound lame, but 1GHz just sounds real cool. Even if I can't get more than the 633 stock speed, I'll be happy for that, since I am only running a PII 300 @ 450 (I had it at 464, but it is starting to burn out, around the metal clips inside). So, as you can tell, I am for overclocking... http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum/smilies/cwm20.gif

Ravenaut78*

May 23rd, 2004, 05:03 AM

Overclocking is not just to enhance yer speed its like paying for that upgraded component that instead you can tear apart and at least if you cant get it to run again-( first can't doesn't exist even if its broken in a hundred pieces)at least ya might learn a thing or 2 about this machine that is getting you spliced into an energy that combines society in a godlike manner--wouldn't you be just a lil curious???
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Ravenaut78*

May 23rd, 2004, 05:09 AM