Palms

[ClickHere2Surf.com]

I'd like to know why people use Palms when they can use <a href="http://www.pocketpc.cpm/" target="_blank">PocketPCs</a>?

A palm costs up to $500 for a simple organizer with no sound, horrible looking "color" low resolution (160*160) screen, no windows file compatibility (every thing you want to view on your palm like a web page, image, word/excel document must be converted on a desktop or by a server). Memo limit of 4000 characters, lots of SERIOUS bugs:
-Calculator makes mistakes
-Memory chip bug that can erase all it's contents at any time.
-Hotsync blew up a few motherboards (of the desktop PC!) of palm users.

They also have a SLOW 16mhz processor (10 year old technology) and only 8MB RAM with no sound (unless you call beep sound) video or built in functionnality except for a few simple programs.

You can find PocketPCs at a much lower cost that have stereo CD quality sound, 16 bit 320*240 color TFT displays, FAST 206Mhz processors, 64MB ram, come loaded with programs in rom (Internet Explorer, Windows media player, word, excel, ms reader, calculator, contacts, calendar, tasks, inbox & MUCH more). Since they have windows you simply network it with your desktop and drag & drop files to copy to or from the PocketPC. You can also plug in earphones for hours of excellent CD quality music and full lenght movies with no additionnal software OR hardware required. They also have expansion slots to add up to 5GB of space to them INTERNALLY without increasing the size of the unit! You can also add a tiny digital video camera to record movies and take high quality pictures!

So why do people get palms when for less money you can get a real computer that is as small as a palm that does anything your desktop PC can do?

I have nothing against palms but they are selling for $500 when it's worth about $100 MAX!

Thanks

[Daemon]

because Pocket PC is windows. And it sux. There more software for th palm than there is for the Pocket PC. I wanted the Ipaq but it Compaq and windows os. That doesnt mix. Plus everything is made for the palm in the pda world. Faster on PDA? Why? you only need that if you run a blowded windows application. Pocket PC takes up like half the space on your pda. With the palm os everything is optimized. Assum and c code. I converted a 170 mb movie and its went to 3 mb on the palm os. Plus pocket PC looks ugly.

I got the sony clie. Best rez on a pda right now. There next model comes out next month with 32 bit color and will run 206 mhz like the ipaq. But the thing is, it is a hand held not a laptop. You dont play 3d games on them, there not made for that, you want that get the sony picture book. Or laptop.


Bustin my chops!

[ClickHere2Surf.com]

I had a palm, it froze at least once a day with a stupid fatal error window, I lost all the content a few times because the is only a 30 seconds backup battery. loading apps take more time than on a PocketPC.

I had a Pocket PC (& Palmsize PC before PocketPC existed) and it NEVER freezes, it's a lot more stable than windows on a desktop, I also NEVER lost anything on it because it has a 5 year backup battery. I know there is more software for palm but most of it is very buggy "home-made" programs. PocketPC programs are much more powerful and stable.

Also I'm sure that you don't get 60 frames per second video at 65 536 colors with full stereo CD quality sound on a palm! That movie must be less than 10 frames per second on a palm with no (or horrible) sound.

What do you mean by "Pocket PC take up like half the space on your pda."? The PocketPC Windows OS is in ROM and uses no memory at all.

I remember when I had a palm, so view a simple image on it I had to:
1. Download a palm image viewer
2. Install it on the palm
3. Download a palm image converter
4. Convert image on desktop to palm format
5. Copy image to Palm
6. Open palm image viewer
7. Open image

On a PocketPC:
-Drag & drop image file to PocketPC
-Open image on PocketPC!

This applies to any file, not only images!

Plus on a PocketPC you can access any web site with javascript, java applet, flash support & more! Palm is limited to palm-only web sites and doesn't support any special features, not even simple javascript!

[Daemon]

thing is, I wouldnt go with pocket pc, cause its micorosoft

[ClickHere2Surf.com]

So you're saing you want to pay twice as much for a palm that can't do 5% what a PocketPC can because you hate MS?

I bet you also use Netscrap and miss all the great features of most websites too!

Netscrap is just like a palm! It crashes each time you use it and supports no multimedia or speacial features at all!

[Daemon]

well I got mine for $199 ipaq was $599 thats twice?

[ClickHere2Surf.com]

Forgot the most important!

On a palm you have to write letter by letter on a horrible handwriting recognition program.

On a PocketPC you can type a full sentence in your natural handwritting as if you where writting on paper and it instantly converts it to computer text. It also learns your writting instead of you learning the palm language writting.

[Daemon]

nope im a lynx, and opera man!

[ClickHere2Surf.com]

You can get PocketPCs for $200-300, the new palm is $500.

[Daemon]

hahaha typical point and click user.

cant do any work. So how hard was dos for you?

I love writing on the palm os. I also have a keyboard for fast typing to jot down info in my class's.


See what Microsoft has done to you. I feel the pain. They turned you into a point and click user how said. I keep tellin people not to listen to the white mans lies. No one listens :(

[ClickHere2Surf.com]

Also palm has no progress at all:
-Palms still all run on a 16mhz processor
-Always the same tiny 160*160 screen, when they try to make it in color it's 10 times worst (I saw the new "color" one)
-No new noticeable changes in the OS (Palms OS 1 and 4 look exactly the same)
-After all those years their around they still didn't add any sound
-Only 8MB ram with no expansion (except the new palm that has a slot but no drivers for it so it's only a slot for dust to get in and damage it)

In PocketPC they upgraded a lot:
-From 70mhz CPUs to 206 and soon 500mhz
-from 4MB to 64 RAM
-Added stereo headphone jack for music listening
-Greatly improved OS (even the first OS didn't crash like PalmOS always did)
-Expansion slots to add any hardware you want from a digital video camera to a 5GB hard drive to a GPS or even a CD Writer for cheap large storage

[ClickHere2Surf.com]

[quote]Originally posted by Daemon:
<strong>hahaha typical point and click user.

cant do any work. So how hard was dos for you?

I love writing on the palm os. I also have a keyboard for fast typing to jot down info in my class's.


See what Microsoft has done to you. I feel the pain. They turned you into a point and click user how said. I keep tellin people not to listen to the white mans lies. No one listens :( </strong><hr></blockquote>

Exactly my point, if you had a PocketPC you wouldn't have had to pay an extra $100 for a keyboard because you can type as fast with the great handwrtting recognition that even corrects mistakes if you make any! You can then save in Word 2000/97 format for direct compatibility with another windows PC/PocketPC.

[ClickHere2Surf.com]

Exactly, palm can't make anything good so they need sony to make something good with it. I agree the Sony is much better because it has sound and a high res screen (BTW PocketPC screens can be swictched to 640x480, 600x800 or 1024*728).

But it isn't a Palm made by Palm!

I was talking about palm!

[Daemon]

this is the palm os so its palm :)

[Daemon]

I wanted the palm os but the palms were so ugly, so I got the sony. It just came out, I wanted the Ipaq but it was made by compaq, and I dont trust it. Also the os pocket pc m$ I dont trust.

[MrMatu]

I bought the Palm M500 on line for $335 with a 16 meg memory stick. The resolution is fine and it does everything I need it to do in a small package. If I want to word processing, spreadsheets and full motion video, I'll do it on my Notebook computer, where it is much easier.
I had a NEC palm top and it did all this stuff I didn't really use, and I couldn't carry it around in my pocket.

My M500 works great for reading adobe manuals,e-mail and keeping track of my schedule.

I wouldn't trade it in for any of those battery eating bricks for nothing!!!!

[cyberhh]

I hate to say it but this seems to be a rediculous topic. "16Mhz" while it does refer to clock cycles is not accurate measure of the machine speed when compared to a dis-similiar processor as the instruction set and therefore the actual speed per Mhz would not compare. The advantage to the PALM is that no matter which Palm I buy I have a huge support network to pull from, a mass of software to install and run and a slew of devices to choose from and connection options galore. Simply put the Palm works well for it's task of replacing your day planner. And the Sony Clie 300 is $180 current retail pricing and has a memory stick slot so I can increase the space to 136MB.

The Pocket PC is an excellent implimentation of a multi-media day-planner, however I have found it severly lacking as a Palm replacement. The business software does not take full advantage of the capabilities of the platform.

For those fo you who do not use the devices "because you have to use MS" you can load Linux on the iPaq series - with some modicum of support from Compaq - go to <a href="http://www.handhelds.org" target="_blank">www.handhelds.org</a> and view the avail information.

All in all the pocketPC platform will be the eventual winner in the handheld wars, it has better support, more developers and better hardware options.

[Daemon]

if your palm is using the dragonball cpu you to can install linux on it. I can install linux on my clie. And my friends Visor will work also. As long as its the DragonBall CPU.

[MacGyver]

[quote]Originally posted by ClickHere2Surf.com:
<strong>They also have a SLOW 16mhz processor (10 year old technology) and only 8MB RAM with no sound (unless you call beep sound) video or built in functionnality except for a few simple programs.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Just because it's old, doesn't make it obsolete. the RIM Blackberry wireless text pagers use a Intel 386 processor. I'd hardly call a Blackberry "obsolete"

Plus not everyone can afford the latest technology. However, if you'd be willing to send me $1000 CDN I'd happily buy whatever you wanted me to use!

[ClickHere2Surf.com]

[quote]Originally posted by MacGyver:
<strong>

Just because it's old, doesn't make it obsolete. the RIM Blackberry wireless text pagers use a Intel 386 processor. I'd hardly call a Blackberry "obsolete"

Plus not everyone can afford the latest technology. However, if you'd be willing to send me $1000 CDN I'd happily buy whatever you wanted me to use!</strong><hr></blockquote>

The PocketPCs are CHEAPER than some of the Palms, that's why I don't under stand people that get an ugly Palm M505 with no sound and a horrible screen for $700 when you can get a very good Pocket PC for $600 CAN with sound, great color screen, music/video playback etc...

[Daemon]

thing is, ive never seen a palm over $400

even the new ones arnt that much. Either that or Californian's get stuff cheaper. But the IPAQ is $599 here and palms here are $150-$400

[Daemon]

thing is, ive never seen a palm over $400

even the new ones arnt that much. Either that or Californian's get stuff cheaper. But the IPAQ is $599 here and palms here are $150-$400

[ClickHere2Surf.com]

Here the Palm M505 is $700 and the Casio E125 is $599

[henne]

$700 for a palm m505?! you can get it <a href="http://shop.store.yahoo.com/worldwidedirect/palm5hanhel1.html" target="_blank">here</a> for $368. and $599 for a CASIO E125? you can get it for $357 almost everywhere.

[JungleMan1]

Palm Advantages:
- small
- long battery life
- cheap

Palm Disadvantages:
- not much multimedia

PPC Advantages:
- lots of multimedia

PPC Disadvantages:
- big
- short battery life
- expensive


The PPC seems more like a notebook computer to me. As much as I'd like to own one, the Palm is a little more in most people's price range.

And i don't see how anyone can use Lynx, BTW... :eek:

[robbydobby]

[quote]Originally posted by Daemon:
<strong>if your palm is using the dragonball cpu you to can install linux on it. I can install linux on my clie. And my friends Visor will work also. As long as its the DragonBall CPU.</strong><hr></blockquote>

which visor?? i have the visor edge will that one work???

i would like to say that u can buy a palm for as little as $200 some times less thats b&w but its a personal data assistant not a laptop or a game boy y does the resulion matter when i looked a palms i looked qualty and the price at the time i did not want to spend $400-$800 for poctetpc that i have to wright each letter (or at least most of the pocetpcs that we had as store displays) that would not wright the letters that i wrote in because the pocetpc only lookes at lowercase letters where the palm is upper case letters

also w/ the palms u can get a keyboard that will allow u to type as fast as u want i know they make them for some pocetpc's but they are hard to find

as well when i worked in retail we sold about 10 palms for every 1 pocetpc that we sold

now if the palm out sells the pocetpc 10-1 that means that there are very few ppl that care about the color and the resulation that u can can get w/ the pocetpc or even the audio if u are a busness professional that is careing around a pocetpc that that u can play music on if thats ur only reason to buy a pocetpc is that u can listen to music $500 is alot to pay for some thing that will let u listen to music thats to much for me to spend on somethink i can get for $20

also when M$ made windows ce it didn't even last on the market for 6 months now how is that stable?? palm has been around for a long time and the know how to make it work and it works great i have had 2 handspring visors the visor deluxe and now i have the visor edge and havent had a problem also as a computer tech where i work i take care of 70 palm vx's that the agents have and very few have had any problems also if u hot synk the palm before u reset it has all the info on ur pc and i have had to reset a few palms to solve problems w/ one of the programs that i could not delete so i reset it and then synked it and all the info was back and the problem wasn't so it helps when u can reset it and erase every thing

[Daemon]

<a href="http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/07/18/1713240&mode=thread" target="_blank">http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/07/18/1713240&mode=thread</a>

here is the site
<a href="http://www.linuxda.com/products/os.html" target="_blank">http://www.linuxda.com/products/os.html</a>

for linux on dragonball cpu platoforms

[cyberhh]

Well, I did it. I bought a Palm. After four - yes four, different ce devices I finally went and got a palm - 160x160 pixel screen and graffitti and all - and I LOVE IT!! My ce devices had all kinds of exciting features, but getting them to work was a pain and actually using them enough to warrant carring the device - but my Palm (the Vx) holds all my ebooks and phone numbers, fits in my back pocket and the battery lasts forever - I'm in love.

I must say that as a tool - the Palm rules - as a Toy CE wins.

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