Trouble sharing dsl in small network

[CompWizard1]

Network Problem!!!!!

I have 3pcs networked using a linksys dsl router. I have the modem connected to the primary pc via usb and to the routers wan port. I have internet on the primary pc working, but the other two pcs can't seem to the modem or its Ip. All 3 computers have no problem sharing files. Any ideas guys?

[thirdfey]

I would suggest unhooking it from the Primary PC and router for connecting to the internet. 2 reasons why it may not work:

1: modem will only use one interface at a time, so it either uses USB or Cat5, not both at one time.

2: Router is not configured to work with the DSL modem which may be due to several things. Find out if you need the router running PPPoE or something :)

Whats the name of the DSL service provider, maybe there is another member using the same or similiar service that has already run through this experience and knows the answer.

Tony

[Stalemate]

<a href="http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q238135" target="_blank">Microsoft</a> has some info on ICS for Win98...

What OS are you using exactly?

Check out <a href="http://www.dslreports.com/pictures" target="_blank">DSL Reports</a> for general information on ICS.

Fellow WinDrivers member MacGyver likes to hang out there, so it can't be bad ;)

There's also <a href="http://www.adslguide.org.uk/qanda.asp?faq=HomeNet" target="_blank">this site</a> that lists some common USB DSL setups.

[CompWizard1]

All three pcs are running win98 1st edition
PPOE is set and working otherwise i wouldn't have a connection on my main system

I am using citizens dsl with a d-link modem

[Gollo]

Does your modem support both usb and cat5 (ethernet)? If so I would suggest using only the ethernet plugged into the router. You would have to configure the router to use the pppoe (obviously). Once that's done you shouldn't have any problems. BUT if the modem only uses USB than I would suggest ICS in win98.

[DSTech]

Just to note, Win98 1st edition doesn't have ICS built in, only 98SE does. As for connection through the router to the cable modem, I don't believe you need PPPoE. Not sure if it's router dependent at all, but I'm using a Linksys Etherfast Cable/DSL Router/4-port switch and I have it set up with PPPoE disabled. At the moment I only have 2 PCs hooked to the router (have had 3 in the past, but it shouldnt matter either), but they both connect to the internet thru cable modem fine and are sharing files/etc fine. According to my router's manual however, if you are setting up PPPoE thru its configuration screens, you need to have previously removed any PPPoE software from your system. As I'm not the most savvy when it comes to networking, I'm just giving some info I've come across and my related setup. I would recommend having modem Cat5 connection to router and each PC connected to the router, forget the USB.

-Danyll

[Gollo]

[quote]Originally posted by DSTech:
<strong>Just to note, Win98 1st edition doesn't have ICS built in, only 98SE does. As for connection through the router to the cable modem, I don't believe you need PPPoE. Not sure if it's router dependent at all, but I'm using a Linksys Etherfast Cable/DSL Router/4-port switch and I have it set up with PPPoE disabled. At the moment I only have 2 PCs hooked to the router (have had 3 in the past, but it shouldnt matter either), but they both connect to the internet thru cable modem fine and are sharing files/etc fine. According to my router's manual however, if you are setting up PPPoE thru its configuration screens, you need to have previously removed any PPPoE software from your system. As I'm not the most savvy when it comes to networking, I'm just giving some info I've come across and my related setup. I would recommend having modem Cat5 connection to router and each PC connected to the router, forget the USB.

-Danyll</strong><hr></blockquote>

If his ISP uses pppoe (as does mine) than he will have to use that option. After the router is configured just setup the tcp/ip to automaticly get an IP from the routers dhcp (if the router has dhcp most do). And yes lose the usb.

[Sly]

If you are using a LINKSYS BEFSRU31, Etherfast cable/DSL Router with USB Port and 10/100 3Port Switch enable PPoE through the router. Remove all software that came with the modem. Connect Modem to WAN Port Connect machine nic cards to LAN ports of router (1-2 or 3) If one of the computers does not have a nic connect the USB port to that computer. Config all card in the computers to get a IP automatically, and disable DHCP on all computers.

This is all in the users Guide that came with the router. Let us know if it’s not clear. I have the guide if you need it, or you can get it on-line from <a href="ftp://ftp.linksys.com/pdf/befsr11&befsr41ug.pdf" target="_blank">Linksys</a>..
:cool:

[DSTech]

[quote]Originally posted by: Gollo

If his ISP uses pppoe (as does mine) than he will have to use that option. After the router is configured just setup the tcp/ip to automaticly get an IP from the routers dhcp (if the router has dhcp most do). And yes lose the usb.<hr></blockquote>

Thnx for setting me straight there, good point. As I said, networking shtuff isn't my most knowledgeable area :)

As for Sly's post, I personally have BEFSR41 and was just checking out Linksys's website (looks like they modified the User guide that I have to include BEFSRU31) and it seems to me that the 3 models included are all set up the same manner as mine. No real software comes with them, but you do access the configuration by entering an IP address into your browser that is the default address of the router and it has it's configuration application stored in the routers memory. Other than that, Sly was pretty much on top of it.

-Danyll

[CompWizard1]

DSTECH...I did what you said you did with disabling the ppoe and got rid of the usb and it worked for one pc, but not the rest. Any more ideas?

[Gollo]

How are the other computers configured? Did you config all card in the computers to get a IP automatically, and disable DHCP on all computers? Also check in the internet options and make sure that you have selected "Never dial a connection" under the connection tab.

[thirdfey]

How do you disable DHCP but have the computer assigned an IP address automatically, that does not make sense, what would a wookie be doing on endor with 3 foot tall ewoks, it does not make sense?

In order to get assigned an IP address automatically you must have a DHCP server running, especially if you want DNS and Gateway settings assigned. I know that Win98 does have the ability to assign itself an IP address when no DHCP is available but then you don't get the gateway and DNS servers so browsing the internet would not happen.

CompWizard? What protocols are the computers running? Are you just running TCP/IP or do you have NetBEUI or IPX/SPX running?

[CompWizard1]

Enabling DHCP worked as for protocols running I have TCP/IP,IPX/SPX running?

Do I need both?

Sorry for all the questions I do appreciate your help. The main reason I couldn't connect was that my modem uses pppoa not pppoe and of course the usb thing.

[thirdfey]

The reason why all the computers are seeing each other is because you are running IPX/SPX. Removing IPX/SPX will most likely make it where the three computers stop seeing each other because there has to be an error with the IP address settings.

Make sure DHCP is turned on in the Router settings and assigning IP's to the client computers.

FYI: CompWizard1 my previous post was in no way directed at you, accept for the last part.

[CompWizard1]

Thanx guys i love jumping into things i know i'm over my head in, but all of this makes a lot more sense now.

It sucks being one of those people who learns only by screwing it up and fixing it.

[thirdfey]

[quote]Originally posted by CompWizard1:
<strong>Thanx guys i love jumping into things i know i'm over my head in, but all of this makes a lot more sense now.

It sucks being one of those people who learns only by screwing it up and fixing it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Welcome to my job, many people just like you are employed at my workplace :D

[Gollo]

[quote]Originally posted by thirdfey:
<strong>How do you disable DHCP but have the computer assigned an IP address automatically, that does not make sense, what would a wookie be doing on endor with 3 foot tall ewoks, it does not make sense?

In order to get assigned an IP address automatically you must have a DHCP server running, especially if you want DNS and Gateway settings assigned. I know that Win98 does have the ability to assign itself an IP address when no DHCP is available but then you don't get the gateway and DNS servers so browsing the internet would not happen.

CompWizard? What protocols are the computers running? Are you just running TCP/IP or do you have NetBEUI or IPX/SPX running?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah sorry. DHCP has to be activate at the router.

[DSTech]

[quote]It sucks being one of those people who learns only by screwing it up and fixing it. <hr></blockquote>

Story of my life....How do you think I got to be a somewhat decent tech? Years of screwing up and trying to fix. :D


-Danyll
>Taking something apart is always so much easier than putting it back together.....correctly<

[Gollo]

[quote]Originally posted by DSTech:
<strong>

Story of my life....How do you think I got to be a somewhat decent tech? Years of screwing up and trying to fix. :D


-Danyll
>Taking something apart is always so much easier than putting it back together.....correctly<</strong><hr></blockquote>

Word!