I saw a HORRIBLE thing today.

[gxavier]

I just got back from Salt Lake City, from the <a href="http://www.freakfest.net" target="_blank">FreakFest</a> annual lan party. And witnessed the most horrible, disgusting, inhumane thing I have ever seen.

Following beind a van on the way to the I-15, there was a black dog in the street, eating garbage or something. The van took notice, and SWERVED INTO THE DOG, HITTING IT. No this was no accident. The van MALICIOUSLY SWERVED SHARPLY into that poor dog. The dog's torso was crushed, and was doing that pitiful death dance around and around, wondering why its feet wouldn't move. The van hightailed off....I stopped. But the dog was dead in a matter of minutes.

I didn't get the license plate, but it wouldn't have done any good. No other witnesses.


Utah sucks. People suck.

Thankgod im back on base.


I hate people.

[Wayward Clam]

People do suck.

Pet the next dog you meet extra well.

[Sowulo]

For all the dead squirrels, raccoons, possoms, dogs, and cats I've seen on the road while never hitting any myself in all these years, I've often suspected that some wackos out there must be trying to hit them....I knew it had to be true but it still saddens me that you had to see the proof..... :( :( :(

[gxavier]

a few days ago, a few miles off base there were 5 dogs shot execution style. they were stolen off a vet clinic.

people here run over cats on purpose as well..i hear people gloat about it.

all the more reason to lock your animals inside.

[Renée]

Oh...my...god. I hope there's a special place in hell for those people.

[Sowulo]

[quote]Originally posted by Renée:
<strong>Oh...my...god. I hope there's a special place in hell for those people.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hell's too good for them..... :mad:

[Lycia]

[quote]Originally posted by Sowulo:
<strong>

Hell's too good for them..... :mad: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, let me have a few minutes of their soon to be short time on planet earth...


A few many years ago, I was driving in Sac to the dumps, getting rid of a load a crap. Anyway, I going down a two lane highway with no one in sight but a squirrel in the middle of the road eating something...as I get closer and closer the squirrel just continues eating...so I move over to the left so that if he doesn't run, he'll be in the middle underneath my truck..well, as soon as I got about a yard away, he sticks his head up and I immidiatly hear a metallic BONK!! I slow down and look in review mirror and see squirrly going head over heals in the middle of the road....I got the hell outa there before he recovered...

[Morticia Addams]

I knew people didnt just suck that they were EVIL. Man I swear sometimes Hell does sound to good for some of these losers. The things a person can do are beyond what some people can comprehend. And thats when I think they should be wiped off the face of the earth. Death penalty should be mandatory in every state. Show them the same pity they did their victims.

[IT Len]

And people wonder why some of us like artificial intelligence better than what passes for human...

Last summer, driving small nephews and nieces home from a visit with my wife and me, we saw a turtle trying to cross a two lane. Not much traffic, but they asked me to stop so they could help it cross the road, and get it out of trouble.

I backed up to get closer, got out with them, one car approaching from the other side. This "thing" driving the oncoming car, left his lane, and right there in front of the kids waiting for him to pass, ran the turtle over.

How do you explain that kind of evil to children?

From Proverbs, "The heart of man is desperately wicked, who can understand it?"

[Draggar]

Now THESE are the situations PETA should go out and protest.

But it seems they never do...

How hypocritical (sp?)...

My wife trains dogs, she's heard some really wierd things people do to their dogs to train it.

One man stated he uninates in his dog's food (while the dog is watching) to show dominance.
(No, to show dominance, you show them who's boss by giving them corrections when needed & rewards when needed)...

The only thing this guy got were dogs with liver problems later on in life & other illnesses in them.

[AlienDyne]

Horrible thing indeed!

Personally, I would follow that son of a bitch, stop him and start kicking his sick ***
till he threw up blood!!! Then I would kick him more and leave him there helpless!!
There are lots of weirdos, boneheads, loosers and sick people in this ****ty world.
No one would ever miss him!!

I'm really sorry for using such bad language, but when it hear something like that, I become
furious!

Animals are not less smart or capable than human. They just have the bad luck that human
rules this world!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[IT Len]

[quote]Originally posted by Draggar:
<strong>

My wife trains dogs, she's heard some really wierd things people do to their dogs to train it.

One man stated he uninates in his dog's food (while the dog is watching) to show dominance.
(No, to show dominance, you show them who's boss by giving them corrections when needed & rewards when needed)...
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Agreed. Final input on this from me. I've been training dogs for obedience competition for over twenty years now, and have seen all kinds of demonic behavior concerning people and animals.

Training is only acceptable and possible using a regimen of postive stimulus/reward. With corrections being very rare...and it is possible to train some wonderful dogs without negative stimulus! Your object is not to make the animal submit, but to want to do what is required.

I have on more than one occasion escorted "friends" out of my house after even minimal abuse of my dogs...and am proud to say that in the training kennel I go to, have seen even impatience of the owner be enough to get you booted!

Finally, it is no surprise to me that FBI profilers routinely include animal cruelty in the profile put together for serial killers. Although I do not place animals on the same level as humans... A lack of respect for any life, is a lack of respect for all life.

[Radical Dreamer]

I hate people that intentionally hurt animals for no reason, its just pure stupidity.

I had a guy in class when I was in high school that brought a "donation" jar in that had "Help me kill cats fund" written on it, :mad: and the bad thing was some people actually gave him money.

I love my kitty (4 month old 1/2 siamese named serge) anyone who touces him, even once is gonna get torn a new *******. He may be the spawn of satan(he's a mean little bugger, always biting me), but he's my kitty.

[Sowulo]

[quote]Originally posted by IT Len:
<strong>Finally, it is no surprise to me that FBI profilers routinely include animal cruelty in the profile put together for serial killers. Although I do not place animals on the same level as humans... A lack of respect for any life, is a lack of respect for all life.</strong><hr></blockquote>


I was just going to post this factoid myself...it's been well established that there is a pretty small step from enjoying the torture and destruction of animals to--in search of ever greater thrills--killing humans....
:( :(

[Akuma]

Never should a mere mortal take the power of to cosmos into their hands. Those who do, I believe, will meet the same fate when their lives enter the eternal cycle.

[Poseidon]

They should put people like that behind bars and throw away the key. :mad: :mad:

[Wayward Clam]

People like this should be shrunk to mouse size, and then put into a labyrinth with a bunch of bored cats.

[PuterGeekGirl]

That is just SICK...People like that should get the same thing done to them. :mad:

[Glenn]

All I can say is that when I thought I saw or read the most depraved thing humans do to each other or to other innocent creatures, I see something that proves me wrong.

One of those times was reading this. Utterly depraved and sick.

[Stalemate]

It' s sad thing to see this happening in this day and age of "supposed" enlightenment and open-mindedness.

I guess some elements of mankind still need more time to reach sentience :mad:

Although I'll never agree that animals have the same worth as humans, that type of behaviour is criminal and amoral.

Isn't that recognized as a crime in the US? I'd love to see how the cellmates of that scumbag would react to his answering "What're *you* in for?" :eek:

[Wayward Clam]

It's enough to make you want to sit by an animal crossing with a sniper rifle, no?

grrrr.....

[Quiet Thunder]

I live in a community, with an abnormally large amount of squirrels. And, yes I have hit my fair share. Note, not ONE of these were on purpose. I even almost hit a dog on xmas eve when I was driving, and he/she ran out onto a normally very busy road(45mph). Luckely, it was not busy that day, as I had to swearve over the double yellow lines to prevent from hitting him/her. So, I can see how accidents happen. Sometimes, you cannot avoid hitting animals, but I really can't stand people who go out of their way to hit animals. Dogs, Cats, Rabbits, Squirrels, possoms, ect... It's just not right. I don't care what animal it is, it's still a living, brathing, life-form. People like that are heartless, and should be taken to a large grassy open area, and hunted by other people in pickup trucks. I'd like to see how they'd like being the subject of an attack.

[[NeoZeeD]]

well last year during the summer i ran over two rabbits within a month period. but not on purpose
these all happend at night

first time i was driving in a small nieghborhood street and i was going to cross a train track and the car infront of me hit a rabbit running acrose the streets, i didnt notice the rabbit till last minute and my tires killed him instantly. when the first car hit the rabbit it was still alive but i guess suffering and my car put him out of his misery.

the second time i was driving the same dam street, i notice something white on the street i thought i was a plastic bag or something, then i felt a bump, i look in my rear view mirror and i see another rabbit in the street it was still kinda alive, the car inback of me i think ran it over or swurved out of the way of it.

i felt bad that day. i killed two bunny's :(

[Cleetus]

I hate this crap so much. Last month, we were in Kruger Park in South Africa. We came upon some lions fanning out for a kill on a large herd of Impalas. Cars started pilling up really quickly, until one a@#hole decided the hunt was going to slow and he wanted by. Next thing you now he ran over a large tortoise killing it. We were all about to get out of our cars and beat the crap out of the guy until as a collective of about 10 people remembered that there were 6 hungry lioness's out there hunting.
It still pisses me off, the beauty of every animal out there for tortoisse to the cute Wart hog, to the monkys, to the elephant made that an experiece I will cherish forever. Then tarnish it with one selfish bastard.

[Draggar]

[quote]Originally posted by cleetus:
<strong>I hate this crap so much. Last month, we were in Kruger Park in South Africa. We came upon some lions fanning out for a kill on a large herd of Impalas. Cars started pilling up really quickly, until one a@#hole decided the hunt was going to slow and he wanted by. Next thing you now he ran over a large tortoise killing it. We were all about to get out of our cars and beat the crap out of the guy until as a collective of about 10 people remembered that there were 6 hungry lioness's out there hunting.
It still pisses me off, the beauty of every animal out there for tortoisse to the cute Wart hog, to the monkys, to the elephant made that an experiece I will cherish forever. Then tarnish it with one selfish bastard.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The only good scenareo that could have come out of this would have been if all the lions jumped on his car and ripped it apart.

Oh, yeah, and to show his (serious lack of) intelligence, I don't think lions eat turtles..

[kato]

That is just pathetic. I couldn't imagine seeing that happen.

I have a similar story to share about how people sometimes just suck a$$.

My fiance and I frequent the outer banks, and one of our favorites things to do is go out onto the beach at night with a flashlight and watch all the little (and sometimes big) ghostcrabs roam the beach. It's so cool because there are seemingly thousands upon thousands of them and if you were walking in the dark you wouldn't even notice them.

One night we were walking and spotting them out and some really drunk a$$holes were on the beach too. They starting using the light that our flashlight was providing to stomp on the ghost crabs crushing them into the wet sand. Since the idiots didn't have any light of their own, we simply turned ours off and walked backed to the car in the dark sadder for having seen such a display.

[Cygnus]

My GF is a vet tech. When she hears about this type of stuff it makes her violently angry. Im waiting for the day she sees it and I have to go post bail.

They deserve to be run over themselves IMHO.

[cc_penguin]

This reminds me of back while I was in school, elementary school (llloooonnnnnggg time ago). Our school bus driver told this girl that if she didnt tie her dog up that she would run her over. The very next day, the driver ran over the dog. Now it being so long ago, I dont recall if it was on purpose or not, but the girl (owner of the dog) just sat and balled her eyes out. Needless to say the next day we had a new bus driver.

[firemonkey]

This part summer I ran over one of our kittens, it was outside for the like second time. It was behind one of my wheels I honked the horn and reved the engine, I saw a kitten run in my mirror. It was a different kitten. The one that I saw behind my wheel was now laying motion less in my driveway. It died quickly, I know I couldn't have done much. But I still feel bad. Now with that said I wonder what chemical unbalance would cause people to enjoy killing small animals, some will even get a kind of sexual gradification from it. These people should be used for medical testing. Like lets see I will put the offender in a glass cage and see if people can really be killed by millions on masquto bites.


ok, I fell a little better now

[Zil]

Ok, here's my theory when driving a car:

If the animal is larger than a sheep, I will attempt to swerve, brake, stop, etc. The damage to my vehicle is not worth slamming into such an object. There is also the possiblity of death if moving at a high speed (several of my family memebers have had close calls with deer and/or cows).

If the animal is smaller than a sheep, keep on truckin'. I ain't swervin' and crashing for someone's puppy, kitty, ferrett, squirrel, etc.

Dislclaimer: I do not intentionally run over animals for fun, that is just plain barbaric.

[Sunshine]

[quote]Originally posted by Zil:
<strong>If the animal is smaller than a sheep, keep on truckin'. I ain't swervin' and crashing for someone's puppy, kitty, ferrett, squirrel, etc.

Dislclaimer: I do not intentionally run over animals for fun, that is just plain barbaric.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If you don't attempt to slow down, move out of the way, or wait for the animal to move, then it's just as barbaric.

I've never hit anything (either intentionally or otherwise) and will do my utmost to see that it stays that way. Life is life, no matter what the package it comes in.

[NeuromancerIV]

If an animal darts in front of me, I will attempt to avoid it, unless that would endanger me or my passengers. I'll feel bad if i hit it, but its not worth killing myself or others over. But to deliberately hit an animal for "fun"? Those folks need severe counseling with a professional and I would also reccomend immediate sterilization

[Mayet]

I am an animal care worker with WIRES wildlife rescue rehad and release... I have seen some bad, sad things in my time....but driving at an animal takes the cake

maybe one day the boot will be on the other tootsie

[Draggar]

[quote]Originally posted by Mayet:
<strong>I am an animal care worker with WIRES wildlife rescue rehad and release... I have seen some bad, sad things in my time....but driving at an animal takes the cake
</strong><hr></blockquote>

My wife does wildlife rehab, now that's a lot of dedication...

[*SlyVenom*]

And they call me anti-social...

People make me sick. Bah, I'd take sitting home with the dog, than spending time with a bunch of annoying people anyday. And I'd have no problem killing any wanker who so much as took a kick at my dog. People like that are a waste of space. If I had my way they would bring back public executions.

BTW - If you feel like flaming me for my opinion on how much people suck, Do it in a PM. :p

[Kymera]

Makes me wonder what some people think of hunting. It is essentially the same as deliberately hitting an animal with your car, except that you went out and purchased an item, and applied for a license, specifically to kill small woodland creatures. Is that better, or worse than running animals down in the street? One is much more deliberate and pre-meditated than the other. Just curious.

[ShadowWynd]

I have seen negative enforcement used twice. The first was with our dog. He deliberately hiked on my father's chair, (striking at the seat of power of the alpha male). After being punished, he did not do this again for years. The second time, learning the laws still applied, he never did it again.

The second time was when we were walking around the neighborhood and our neighbor's husky attacked. We had little kids and a puppy. A sharp kick in the ribs convinced the husky not to attack. From that point on, he would fawn over us, fawn over our dog - a complete change in behavior.

Positive reinforcement should be used whenever possible.

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When i was in high school waiting for the bus one day, there was a puppy playing with some of the students. It ran out in the road, and was hit by a friend of mine. As it lay crying in the road, some other firneds of mine came by in a van. They saw the dog, and swerved across the road to hit it. Somehow, the dog lived with very little damage. When I asked the people in the van why they ran over it, they said they thought it was a stuffed kitten. Why they would want to run over a stuffed kitten anyways.....

We try and rescue turtles whenever possible. Usually, by the time we can turn the car around and get back to the turtle, there is nothing but a tangle of red blood and shell. Around here, most people will run over possums and other animals for sport.

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An animal is not worth a human life, but the very least you can do is be considerate. These animals are born in darkness, and their whole life tends to be one of trying to eke out a living on nuts and seeds. They sleep outside, in a tree or in the ground, through rain and cold. They live in fear of predators. Why go out of your way to make their lives more miserable?

[Cleetus]

[quote]Originally posted by Kymera:
<strong>Makes me wonder what some people think of hunting. It is essentially the same as deliberately hitting an animal with your car, except that you went out and purchased an item, and applied for a license, specifically to kill small woodland creatures. Is that better, or worse than running animals down in the street? One is much more deliberate and pre-meditated than the other. Just curious.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That is a whole new can of worms, personally I feel trophy hunting(preditors and so such) is wrong, but say deer hunting or rabbit hunting is a different story. Hunting for food is one such story, the deer that will otherwise overpopulate and starve is another. I have never shot something without the full intention on makeing sure as much of that animal was used as possible. I don't know, guess I am just on both sides of the fence on the issue, sometimes I feel they should be left alone, and sometimes I see the rational in some hunting.
But cruelty and killing just for the fun of killing, well that earns you one first class ticket to A#@whoopinville.

[Wayward Clam]

[quote]Originally posted by Kymera:
<strong>Makes me wonder what some people think of hunting. It is essentially the same as deliberately hitting an animal with your car, except that you went out and purchased an item, and applied for a license, specifically to kill small woodland creatures. Is that better, or worse than running animals down in the street? One is much more deliberate and pre-meditated than the other. Just curious.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Now THAT is a quotable quote. Well said, Kymera.

[Shard92]

I knew some folkes who were in the Navy who liked running over cats too...

Also, My uncle had come up for a visit several years ago. When he got back to his farm he found two of his three dogs shot to death. Nothing was broken into or taken. They just shot two of his dogs. Luckily the third was very gun shy and ran at the sight of the guns.


Some people are just plain sick.

GLSmith

[Wayward Clam]

Two of our cats are rescue jobs from situations like this.

Billy, our blue-point Siamese, was found on the road with a broken jaw. We think someone kicked him. He was terrified of people for a couple of years, but now he is THE most affectionate and friendly and gentle cat you have ever met, too... :mad:

Ember, our tortoiseshell (black and brown) was found by my wife out walking. She was a newborn kitten, too young to be separated from her mother, and a LITTLE KID WAS GRINDING HER FACE INTO THE SIDEWALK. Ember is still missing the front half of her lower jaw and has some teeth pointing out in weird angles. My wife simply took the cat away from the kid and kept walking, never looked back.

Under my wife's care, and my help later on, both of these cats have grown up to become two of the most amazing pets we have ever known, very affectionate and caring... I never liked cats before knowing our three.

I only hope that that kid learned at some point that what he was doing was wrong.

:mad:

[CJK]

I have never hit an animal. I have swerved severly in order to avoid them, sometimes scaring my passengers. This one time there was a group of us going white water rafting and I was the lead car. We were on this 2 lane highway that nobody barely ever used. On this highway there was about 1 squirel per 2 feet, I'm not joking. I did not hit one. They would even run along side of the car, some of them even seemed like they had a death wish. Also on that road I almost hit a rabbit that popped out of no where but swerved to miss him. Also a hawk almost did a face plant into my winsheild, he was so close everybody including me ducked, but I did not hit him either because I swerved. The car behind me could not believe that I didn't hit anything and I'm glad that I was the lead car because he wanted to just plow through without swerving. This road went on for at least 10 miles.
When I was smaller the lady who picked me up for school accidentally ran over my cat. I saw my cat stick his head up for a second and then die. I missed school that day, and the lady was crying to and I never blamed her. Actually my cat had a tendency of not to get out of the way of traffic. It was sad because my cats friend (another cat) sat by him for a long time just waiting. Actually my cats friend eventually became our cat as it started to come to our house. But now that cat is no more and I have two right now. Sorry for the long story, just memories.

[Wyckyd1]

I like animals as well but I must say this......
If you ever injured or more (too horrible for me even to type) a family member because you swerved to miss a squirrel and went into thier lane or something comparable YOU would be the one I would be trying to drive down (either physically, emotionally or financially-all depending).

[Draggar]

[quote]Originally posted by Kymera:
<strong>Makes me wonder what some people think of hunting. It is essentially the same as deliberately hitting an animal with your car, except that you went out and purchased an item, and applied for a license, specifically to kill small woodland creatures. Is that better, or worse than running animals down in the street? One is much more deliberate and pre-meditated than the other. Just curious.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think hunting just for the sake of killing / male bonding / etc.. is wrong.

My father in law hunts. But what he kills (deer), he uses as much as he can.
He'll clean it, use all the meet (and I mean ALL the meet). The unusable parts become dog / guniea hen food. The hide gets tanned and made into a rug, decoration of some sort. I don't know what he does with bones, maybe donates them. He even takes the hoves and makes knifes out of them.
That, I don't have a problem with.

[jaeger]

I don't consider hunting ethically wrong if you use the entire animal and aren't merely out for trophies.

As for pets, in my few short years I have learned that there are more depraved people than one will conciously allow oneself to accept. These people have motivated me to keep my pets indoors most of the time (except for a few activities dogs should only perform outdoors). Every dog or cat I have owned has been trained that bolting for the door or the street results in time in a kennel. They have all been well trained enough not to try to run even if they see kids outside to play with. I have taken them to parks before and had them stay within a few feet of me without a leash. People who abuse their pets sicken me and those who deliberately hurt animals for 'pleasure' make me doubt our claim to supremacy.

I'm just glad that with my pets being house pets that anyone who tries to hurt them will have to break in and deal with me first. I've got many long, sharp, pointy things to deal with such people.

[*SlyVenom*]

[quote]Originally posted by Kymera:
<strong>Makes me wonder what some people think of hunting. It is essentially the same as deliberately hitting an animal with your car, except that you went out and purchased an item, and applied for a license, specifically to kill small woodland creatures. Is that better, or worse than running animals down in the street? One is much more deliberate and pre-meditated than the other. Just curious.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I disagree. Hunting is a predatorial Instinct, I however do not endorse trophy hunting. I personally no longer deer hunt, nor do I enjoy it, but I do enjoy the taste of venison. I believe it is ok to hunt if you do not waste what you take. Without some kind of animal control, their would be surplus population which would decrease the resources they need to survive. Which is a more cruel death, a quick gun-kill or starving to death over a period of time, with the possibility of being mauled by wolves or coyotes? Yes we do have wolves and Coyotes in northeren Wisconsin, and a mauled deer carcass is not a pretty site....
Please don't take this as a personal attack, but living in northeren Wisconsin I have seen firsthand the hazards of overpopulation. Overpopulation also increases Car accidents, with the increased amount of deer on the roads and even in town.

[NeuromancerIV]

By your line of reasoning Kymera, whats the difference between those who deliberately run over animals from someone going to a deli and picking up some beef, or going to mcdonalds for a burger..? Or the person who serves you the burger?I'm not trying to be argumentative, but that line of reasoning makes no sense to me...
I'm not trying to justify hunting or that meat is immoral i was just curious what lead to that conclusion.

Like Sly, I used to hunt, but everything i killed was eaten. Certain animal populations need to be keep in check for the various already mentioned reasons. And game animal meat is pretty darn tasty...Funny most of the people I know that still hunt are FAR more avid and dedicated conservationists than many who mouth the words about protecting the environment. Go figure. But again there are people of all kinds on both sides of the issue so YMMV.

[ElBatcho]

The diffence between this sensless act and hunting is that the dog was run over for no reason with no chance of escape. Most hunter I have met send hours waiting for a animal to wonder into his path and most times they miss the thing. Hunting is a primal thing I will give you that but it's like camping, we as humans have spent the better half of 2000 years getting away from nature and creating a world for ourselves to live in. We don't need to do it. We create white packages with slabs of red animal matter in it and call it meat, we don't call it cow or calf we call it beef. Bacon isn't called Pig. I understand the need to get in touch with your "primal side" so it like early man and go out to the middle of no-where and live in a tent made of animal skins and eat twigs and berries since you can't catch an animal. Gun's were not developed for hunting they were made for mass distruction in an age of wars, hunting with them was just a bi-product. Back to the topic...

The fact is that this poor little dog was killed by some jerk who thought it was funny. This crule bastard doesn't deserver the air he breaths and if there is a God watching I am sure he will get his. Karma is a compleate Bi**h and what come around goes around.

[ShadowKing]

OK, I will chime in on the hunting issue...

As with all evil, intent is the most important factor...

I have no problem with hunting as long as the purpose is to use the animal that is killed. In fact, we have 8 apple trees in our back yard and get more deer than we can stand back there every year. We have had quite a few hunters ask to kill a deer that has run onto our property, or that they have seen there (We don't mind.)...

For those of you who are intimidated by the idea of hunting, where do you draw the line? Would it be OK to raise my own bull and then have it butchered, so that I can have my own home grown beef? Would it be OK to shoot it myself and butcher it myself? Since it is legal and not damaging to the population, why would it not be OK for me to apply for a deer liscense and kill, butcher and eat a deer?

That said, killing for the joy of killing itself is wrong and I am firmly against that.

[Kymera]

I understand the hypocrisy of my statement, but there are differences. Cattle are raised for the express purpose of being killed and eaten. In a way, so are those wonderful woodland creatures, but by their natural predators. Wait, what happened to all those predators, I think they were killed by hunters. I always believed that if you were going to hunt for "sport" the playing field should be level. It isn't very sporting if one side (man) has every advantage : binoculars, high-powered rifles/automatic weapons, scent camoflage, visual camoflage etc. Would basketball be a sport if one side had every man over 7' tall and the other side was composed of dwarves? That is my problem with hunting. If we actually still had to hunt for food, then I would have no problem with it. These same people who feel the need to get back to their roots, do they have a garden and grow their vegetables during hunting season? Heat their home with a wood stove? Ride a horse around? Eat nothing but the animals they kill? No, because they just want to sit around in the woods in full camoflage and wait for a deer to stumble across his sights.
I'm not arguing that hunting is or is not beneficial in terms of overpopulation, but that hunting is not a sport, and someone swerving to hit an animal in the road is about as deliberate as waiting in a tree with a rifle. There is no need for either.

[Spaceman Spiff]

First off, I think swerving to smack an animal with your vehicle is absolutely wrong. :mad:

However...

[quote]Originally posted by Kymera:
<strong>I understand the hypocrisy of my statement, but there are differences. Cattle are raised for the express purpose of being killed and eaten.</strong><hr></blockquote>

In some countries, dogs and cats are raised for food, just as we raise cattle, hogs, and poultry.

[quote]Originally posted by Kymera:
<strong>I'm not arguing that hunting is or is not beneficial in terms of overpopulation, but that hunting is not a sport, and someone swerving to hit an animal in the road is about as deliberate as waiting in a tree with a rifle. There is no need for either.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't hunt for "sport". I hunt to put meat on the table. Do I need to hunt to put meat on the table? No. But I don't hunt for the sake of hunting. There is a difference. I will not shoot anything that I cannot eat, unless in self-defense. In nearly 30 years of hunting, I've never had to shoot for self-defense...

[Kymera]

[quote]Originally posted by The Spiffster:<strong>
First off, I think swerving to smack an animal with your vehicle is absolutely wrong. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Couldn't agree more.

[quote]Originally posted by The Spiffster:<strong>
In some countries, dogs and cats are raised for food, just as we raise cattle, hogs, and poultry.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Let's not forget horses, ducks or sheep. The important thing to remember is that they are raised to be eaten.

[quote]Originally posted by The Spiffster:<strong>
...I will not shoot anything that I cannot eat, unless in self-defense. In nearly 30 years of hunting, I've never had to shoot for self-defense...</strong><hr></blockquote>
IT'S COMING RIGHT FOR US!!

[Cleetus]

Becasue there are angry sea bass with lazer beams attached to their forheads.

[LagMonster]

[quote]Originally posted by Renée:
<strong>Oh...my...god. I hope there's a special place in hell for those people.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I believe there is.


That is sad...I love dogs

[Wayward Clam]

[quote]Originally posted by Kymera:
<strong>These same people who feel the need to get back to their roots, do they have a garden and grow their vegetables during hunting season? </strong><hr></blockquote>


"Is this the same cunning that allows a man to sneak up on a leaf of lettuce?"

-Speaker-To-Animals, Kzinti Ambassador

[Akuma]

[quote]Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff:
<strong>I don't hunt for "sport". I hunt to put meat on the table. Do I need to hunt to put meat on the table? No. But I don't hunt for the sake of hunting. There is a difference. I will not shoot anything that I cannot eat.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Same here. I hunt for the meat. Do I need to hunt for meat. Not really, but the money it saves on groceries right now goes to other things, like my house payment. I see the animal from start to finish. I hunt it, kill it, and process it from the field to the freezer. That way I know that none of it is going to waste and I know exactly what animal it is from. I respect the life of the animals that I shoot, and from time to time feel sorry for taking thier life, but that is the cycle of life. I only shoot in the head or neck. If my shot is off, no harm done. I my shot is true, the animal never knew what happened and dies instantly. That is the best way to do it.