Honest Opinions of Win XP

[DVader]

After using Beta 2 and RC1 as well as several current versions of Linux, I think WinXP will be great for Home users but a bad choice for Business/Corporate users who are running Win2000.

After having looked it over, I feel WinXP can be described as The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly.

The Good: Home users of Win9x/ME will finally get the WinNT/2000 Kernel. This stability will greatly benift home users who are struggling with Windows ME(I personally find it satisfatory, yet quirky).

The Bad: This one will mostly be the thorn in Corporate Techs side, I am one myself. Windows XP doesn't let you choose what does and doesn't get installed. All the installs I've went through, Windows XP doesn't even give me the option of a custom install. Business users will get an MPE/Video Player (Windows Media Player) and several games on the start menu by default. Sure you can remove them from the menu, but a search of the hard disk will bring them up again. You could comb the hard disk and erase the files, but what a relief it would be if they were not ther in the first place. If someone knows a workaround for this please share the information with us. I don't mind Microsoft including their other products with their OS, but forcing them to be installed, in my opinion, is what make the anti-trust/monopoly suit seem very legitamate.

The Ugly: Microsoft Product Activation, need I say more. A article I read on another site is absolutily correct in saying "It's like having to be frisked every time you leave a department store." And the fact that if I upgrade my computer, could make me need to reactivate my product is outragious!
Fortunatly, the cracks I have found seem to work and I don't think this will be a issue when the final version is released.
Quote: "What one man can invent another can discover." -Sherlock Holmes, The Return of Sherlock Holmes, Adventure III

All in all, I love the interface, compatability and improved ease of use. However forcing the people who use it to jump through Microsofts hoops is where it goes awry.

If my Linux Mandrake 8.0 would support more apps/games and devices, I'd switch to it in a heartbeat. Don't get me wrong, It has come a long way, but unfortunatly, Microsoft still holds the ball as the desktop OS. So, to all you Linux developers out there, keep up the good work. People are going to be looking for other alternatives then a Microsoft OS, and I feel that your effort with most certianly not be in vain.

Sorry about the long rant, but I feel that I needed to state my mind.

[HIESLanMan]

Okay, I haven't actually tried this on XP, so I may be way out of line. But I suspect that you can customize the installation to a great degree. I think that you probably have to use answer files to do it, though. This makes a lot of sense, since the techies who are going to be doing a lot of installs (and therefore probably have a good grasp of what they're doing) will be doing unattended installs anyway. By not putting a lot of options in the default install, you remove a big opportunity for people to get confused or screw something up. Of course, this doesn't do much for the people who know what they are doing, but only need to do a couple of installs, but maybe MS figures they're in the minority. Personally, I think it will do just fine in a business environment, although I don't see a compelling reason to move away from W2K.

[DVader]

I thought about the answer file for an unattended install too. Guess we won't know if it can be done until it is released. However if the articles I've been reading about how Microsoft wants computer suppliers(Dell, Compaq, Gateway, ....ect) to handle Win XP icons on the start menu and desktop is any indication, I tend to think even the answer file will not allow a selection, however this is purely speculation.

Ironically, after putting in the CDkey, checking the time and time zone, and network settings, Win XP is a pretty unattended install as it is without an answer file.

[Budster64]

hmmm good review Dvader.
I agree about the product activation, I also agree that for those companies that currently use W2K there really is not alot of incentive to spend loads of money upgrading their workstations to XP. The only good thing is that, insofar as Corp upgrades, I am in the same boat as you I think, those with EMOLP or involved in any of the corporate licensing programs will receive discs that have product activation disabled.
I am sure there is some way of making a tailor-made install like you can for W2K I just haven't researched it yet.

[habib1982]

The only advantage to Windows XP over W2K is program compatablilty! That is an advantage for Home Users but not really to businesses.

[Daemon]

I liked XP id run it its fast but not that stable I had it crash and blue screen 5 times in 1 week on me. The one major thing why I will not go to it. Is the Activation thing F'that. So ill stick with Windows 98 and 2000 Pro for another 3-4 years

[Windowscrash]

OK, The truth comes out :D

I stuck Win XP RC-1 on my old Packard Hell 233mhz with 160mb ram and 4gig hard disk and it's still running pretty good!!! :eek:

The software compatibility is Very Good, as I have yet to come across a program that dosen't like XP :)

The only thing that is wrong, in my opinion, is the Software Activation. Why the hell do Microsoft spend even more time trying to prevent software privacy when somebody will find a way to bypass this, just like DVader said.

[techs]

Surprisingly fast. Faster than win2k. So far ZoneAlarm won't run because Windows detected an incompatiblily and disabled it. Norton antivirus warned me it would not work so I didn't install it. Netscape 4.78 browser works fine, did not try the mail.
The default user interface is too different from win9x. You can change it to look like previous versions though.
btw the user interface reminds me of saturday moring cartoons. Get'em while they are young Microsoft.
I like the lack of reboot after installing programs.
IMHO Microsoft will push winxp like no other os they have made. EVERYTHING will be designed ONLY for xp so you have to upgrade and they can get the registration thing universal. From my point of view thats not too bad though. No more arguments with customers over why I won't put unlicensed software on their computer.

[pcejim@dol.net]

I really like XP. Roxio 5.0 doesn't work correctly, but Nero works fine. McAffee doesn't either, and I refuse to use Norton. Have to do Virus scanninbg from another PC on my network at the moment. That's a pain. I like the interface. For sucha drastic change, it was really easy to become accustomed to. Very intuitive. Also, ATI TV Wonder works, but is quirky. Drivers will be out soon according to ATI tech support.

[JungleMan1]

I'm not upgrading to XP, Why because i already have win2000.

I'd recommend it in a flash to my Dell using friend running Windows ME, but it's quite unnecessary for anyone running 2000 already.

All the bugs (nero doesn't work, etc) will soon be resolved..

Anyone running a computer 500mhz or more should run it fine with the skins disabled, once you get over 800mhz the skins shouldn't really drag u down that much

Below that...err get a new computer er somethin :D :D :D

[Wildman6971]

I upgraded my Win ME (that works fine) to XP and it was disasterous. Ending up having to reformat to get machine back to functioning properly.

On a clean install it was much better, but other third party software has to catch to it first.

Wasn't able to use several of my important programs.

[DVader]

Nice to see other peoples experiences finally.

I must confess, I just got through installing it on an older Toshiba laptop (AMD-K6 333Mhz, 96 megs RAM, 2.8 GIG partion) and other than the long bootup, it runs better and faster than Windows 98SE on the other partion on it. Cleartype is beautiful on the LCD screen and it had drivers for all the proprietary hardware and even a PC Card Ethernet adapter.

It seems to be a good, stable, compatable, OS and I love it colorful interface. I also appreciate the driver support. I've not had to install one single driver yet, so far every piece of hardware on four remarkably different machines has been detected and installed correctly the first time around.

The only things disappointing is the lack of installation control, and the product activation.
I wonder how much Microsoft will charge for this OS when it ships?

Tony

[WindBlowzXP Professional]

Ive already tried XP, but ... I hate their selection about the color blue ... seems too strong in the eyes, and ... too MANY NOTIFICATIONS!!! i hate it ... but i love the performance.. the speed!

[cabal]

I am using Xp RC1 on a Athlon 650 with 256 megs and it is quite fast and stable. The only problem I am having is geting my ATI Raddeon 64 drivers to work, they crash anytime i try to us anything but the default drivers on the XP cd. I will have to wait till ATI releases drivers for XP I guess.

[WindBlowzXP Professional]

[quote]Originally posted by Cabal:
<strong>I am using Xp RC1 on a Athlon 650 with 256 megs and it is quite fast and stable. The only problem I am having is geting my ATI Raddeon 64 drivers to work, they crash anytime i try to us anything but the default drivers on the XP cd. I will have to wait till ATI releases drivers for XP I guess.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hmm.. try Windows 2000 drivers ... i am using NVIDIA and Windows XP have drivers for it and i install NVIDIA Drivers for Windows 2000, it WORKS!

[jbar1]

I have been using XP for about 6 months. Beta 1 through RC2. So far my only real gripe is the activation process. We have the same copy running on 3 different systems. We just called MS and they gave us activation codes for the 2 other systems. I doubt that they will do that with the final release. The wife is happy cause the SIMS runs better and faster with no crashes. The server which handles the Satellite internet system has been flawless. I would say that if you have W2K stay with it. If you are borderline on CPU or mem either upgrade or stay with W98 other wise go with XP. It is worth it just for the stability. The odds are that if you are having stability problems or blue screen then your system is not really that stable. All in all it is the best MS has offered BUT I dont like the MS greed that comes with it.
:cool: :cool:

[layz]

In my opinon win95 was the best is was not that quarky by the time it reached verB. Win98 is too much of a memory hog but if you have a cheaper system you can gat away with it now. I use 2000 pro and server and find them great as a home use machine. I have office xp and activated it. Not too happy about that. It says no information is transfered to microsoft, Yea sure it's not. Then i hear if you decide to change memory or a cd-rom you have to reactivate it again? What's next you buy a PC that hooks you automatically to the MSN network you don't have a choice then you run a citrix session to you're "personalized" desktop configured by microsoft on what you should want. This way they can shadow you're session 24/7 each click of the mouse? I tend to believe these rumors, they're already in a anti-trust case, and they have demonstrated the behavaior time and again. Mark my words the way were headed, miroshaft will be selling them that way in the next 5-10 years.

[jbar1]

LAYZ That seems to be the way we are headed. I had a brief stint with a rather large firm in Dallas. Over 200 work stations and each work station was activated by a smart card. All work stations were dummies and you logged in with your smart card which contained your configuration. Management and the Admin decieded what programs you could use and how you operated. The terminals didnt have any drives. I can envision the day when we will all have dumb terminals and will log on to a central main frame. It is a long way off but I believe that is the direction we are going. Kinda scarey!! :( :(

[Low Level Owl]

I am using RC2 and I think it's a bit buggier than RC1. But all in all, it's a great O.S. I don't mind the System Activation. I don't mind having to call Microsoft to reactivate XP, because the machine I will be installing XP Gold on will be my dream machine. And I won't plan on changing anything for a long long time. But even if I had to call MS, I wouldn't mind. I spend 45 minutes on hold for other things that I don't use as much as my P.C. So if the call takes more than 15 minutes, then we have some problems!!

[layz]

Format It i'm not busting on you but your dream machine will be just that, a dream. What is top end today is in tomorrows garbage can. Take this into mind, Lets say you bought a faulty cd-rom drive it worked for a few days then it quit. You can't get the same drive because the company went to a newer model. Guess what the Xp POS oops sorry OS thinks your trying to move it to anouther machine. You have to reactivate it agian. So you spend 20mins on replacing the drive. anouther 20mins trying to get microsaft on the phone, most likly on hold for an hour. so you wasted 1hr and 20mins on a cd-rom. that took you 20mins to install. I worked on customer machines in the field they moan about everything. Try billing them for your time and see the reactaion they get for just installing a cd-rom. I gave a guy a break on a hard drive and a total reload of his system for $250. He had the balls to say, "jesus for a couple of hundred more i could have bought a new machine." If you want to waste your time talking to MS go ahead u have better things to do.

[Low Level Owl]

My dream machine will be MY dream machine. I've been using the same setup for almost 4 years now. And I'm happy with how it has worked for me. I'm just upgrading for the need (well maybe not need :) )to upgrade...W2K/WXP. And, I've swapped out some things on my PC to test the activation, I pulled a cd-rom/video card/nic from a spare machine at work and took it home, threw them on my machine and and started it up and guess what?????? It was OK. Didn't ask to be reactivated. I think people are too worried about XP. Unless you're changing hard drives or motherboards, I don't think you'll need to worry about XP's Activation.

[Dante]

I've heard a much shorter explanation of dvader's initial post - WinXP is Win2000 for dummies.

[Budster64]

layz you are not quite understanding how the product activation works...basically it takes four parts of your machine, HD, Processor,RAM and NIC address...I believe. CDRoms are not including nor is anything else. Basically you can change any one of those as many times as you wish you can change up to 3 of them as many times as you wish. If you change all four within a 6 to 8 month period the OS will require you to call in to reactivate. I've done it and it take 5 minutes...you give them a serial number that the OS gives you and they give you a new activation code. It's really very simple and really it took 5 minutes.
I am not a supporter of WPA but it certainly is not what you just described, that's just misinformation.
Dante, those people who are currently using Win2K will not see any real reason to switch over to XP, and why should they?
But for users who are still using 98 it will be a better choice since now they'll have an OS with an NT Kernel, real memory managerment and if they choose to upgrade to the pro version multiple processor capability. Xp is what 98/ME should have been. So basically those that say XP is Win2K for dummies are calling 98 users dummies.
Although I really don't see what is so difficult about running W2K, still some users will find XP a bit easier. And that's who it's targeted for anyway. I'll tell you this much, XP is a helluva lot more backwards compatible that even 98SE is.

[pga]

The only opinion I have so far is that I paid the extra $10 because I wanted RC2 on CD vs. downloading it.... (I thought it would be cool to have the CD)...

instead they sent RC1 and two days later told me to download RC2... ARGGGH....

looks like bill was running short on cash or something :mad:

[Budster64]

pga how much did you pay total? Because $10 is what we all paid for the download version. Do you mean that you paid $20?

[JWW]

The others have it right. It's going to be great for clueless home users, but anyone who has half a clue & corporate entities should stay away from it.

Personally, I LOVE the remote desktop feature, as I can remote in and fix/show a {l}user's machine right out of the box.

[Skywalker93]

The $20 is for the CD version of RC1, and the download version of RC2.

I've been using XP RC2 for about a month now. Only complaint is the MPA. That's a bunch of crap. Otherwise, it's stable, and the only compatibility issue I've had was with Norton 2001.

Otherwise, it rocks! Im running K6-2 550, 256MB RAM, 40GB HD. It flies.

[Spaceman Spiff]

Great reviews and comments, everybody. I guess I'll stick with W2K until some compelling reason comes up to switch... :)

[DJSEARCHING]

Ok,were all checking out this OS,however it would be in the best intrest to check it out on the two platforms;intel/amd.There are some suttle differences between how these two work with this OS.For instance,clear text works fine on the intel machine I'm using,but not on the amd side,basically the desktop icons.Systray is funky on the amd side,volume icon dosen't display unless you reboot the machine.?.Is anyone noticing fluctuations of explorer.exe in task manager?I get that on the intel side.And it's like a car.When opening up task manager,it stops,and it won't do it all the time.Also fluctuations of svchost.exe system(the one with the more memory allocated).Sure hope the hcl list is expanded by the time this OS hits the stores,or we're really going to be earning our money.Don't even want to get in to what I had to do to get my scanner working.Oh yeah that's another thing.Any one that's going to be upgrading to xp might be fooled to think that they're going to have to upgrade their periferals,so check out what's going to be going in the trash,I will. :D ;) :D

[DVader]

DJSEARCHING,
I've been using Windows XP on two AMD machines and haven't had any more problems than the my Intel machines have given me. My Laptop is an older Toshiba AMD CPU and cleartype is beautiful on it.

[Daemon]

[quote]Originally posted by DJSEARCHING:
<strong>Ok,were all checking out this OS,however it would be in the best intrest to check it out on the two platforms;intel/amd.There are some suttle differences between how these two work with this OS.For instance,clear text works fine on the intel machine I'm using,but not on the amd side,basically the desktop icons.Systray is funky on the amd side,volume icon dosen't display unless you reboot the machine.?.Is anyone noticing fluctuations of explorer.exe in task manager?I get that on the intel side.And it's like a car.When opening up task manager,it stops,and it won't do it all the time.Also fluctuations of svchost.exe system(the one with the more memory allocated).Sure hope the hcl list is expanded by the time this OS hits the stores,or we're really going to be earning our money.Don't even want to get in to what I had to do to get my scanner working.Oh yeah that's another thing.Any one that's going to be upgrading to xp might be fooled to think that they're going to have to upgrade their periferals,so check out what's going to be going in the trash,I will. :D ;) :D </strong><hr></blockquote>


hahaha sounds like you buy cheap hardware for the AMD and pay a little more the intel.

Never had a problem with any of my AMD's.

I just had my moms intel fry the whole main board two weeks ago, so I upgraded here to a gigabyte board and AMD cpu, works great.

[iamtheman]

I will NOT install XP on my personnal equipment. No way. I've been a fan of Microsoft for a long time and I can see product activation on server software, e.g. Citrix, but when the easiest way to sometimes fix a Windows client is to reinstall Windows I don't see how you can be expected to reregister each time. How about all the small business's that still have either very slow or no Internet access whatsoever? Sure you can call in the activation but when everyone and their brother is doing that the hold queue's will build up. Its bad enough you sometimes have to way for support for a while. Anyway I'll turn my rant mode off now.

[DJSEARCHING]

My mistake,I thought we were giving our honest opinion of this OS.The AMD/INTEL thing,I thought I saw that in another thread "YAWN".I'm getting to the heart of this OS,not just going ooooooooo-ahhhhhhhhh.How about you?Little quirks like a volume icon which worked fine on other OS's installed on the AMD machine,or clear type was just a couple of things I see.I mean clear type really helped on folder icons,but not the desk top,thats all.Again opinions are like...I'm just saying what I'm noticing.Or should I ask,is this MS's perfect OS?Care to share what your noticing?

[hookdonfonics]

My only gripe is my ATI AIW Pro software doesn't work with XP. ATI hasn't even mentioned XP on their web site yet. Guess I'll just have to wait. As soon as Kensington comes out with XP drivers for my web cam, I'm nixing Windows ME. I will keep 2K dual booted though. XP isn't really that stable. Just more compatible with a lot of hardware. I've only had one piece of hardware that XP didn't pick up on its own and install the drivers for it and that was a Xerox WorkCentre M940 Printer/Scanner/Copier/Fax. I had to use the 2K drivers for that.

[Budster64]

[quote]Originally posted by Daemon:
<strong>


hahaha sounds like you buy cheap hardware for the AMD and pay a little more the intel.

Never had a problem with any of my AMD's.

I just had my moms intel fry the whole main board two weeks ago, so I upgraded here to a gigabyte board and AMD cpu, works great.</strong><hr></blockquote>

the CPU fried the rest of the board????

How did you troubleshoot this and relegate the problem to be...the CPU frying the rest of the MOBO??

I would sincerely like to know how this happened since I have never seen the CPU fry the MOBO out....I've seen it the other way around though.

So I'd sure would like to know what happened, and how you came about this diagnosis??

[JWW]

Also it seems that AGP 4X is disabled with XP on VIA chipsets by default, even after installing the 4-in-1 drivers (v4.32 & 4.33) it was still not reported as being in 4X mode (Sisoft Sandra & WCPUID bith reported it as 4X compatiable but running in 2X) even though it was under Windows 2000. Updated video drivers didn't work either (nVidia Detonators & ATI's Radeon drivers) for either of the Video cards tried.

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[DJSEARCHING]

Well I think I found the "flucuations" in task manager on the intel side.I clicked on it as soon as it was happening,and found that it was defragging in the background.Makes sense why I couldn't see this in the event viewer log.Yes I'm running it as fat32,only because I'm assuming the home version will be basically set up this way.One small but interesting point,a couple of weeks ago,I went on the internet,and found that IE6 made MS.com the home page all by itself.Anyone else getting any strange things like that?

[DJSEARCHING]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JWW:
[B]Also it seems that AGP 4X is disabled with XP on VIA chipsets by default, even after installing the 4-in-1 drivers (v4.32 & 4.33) it was still not reported as being in 4X mode (Sisoft Sandra & WCPUID bith reported it as 4X compatiable but running in 2X) even though it was under Windows 2000. Updated video drivers didn't work either (nVidia Detonators & ATI's Radeon drivers) for either of the Video cards tried.
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Yeah thats one thing I noticed when I first opened up this sys.All the property sheets under device manager are more or less locked,can't manually change settings.I think this sys is more at the mercy of MS's certified drivers.

[apd183]

Other than Micro$oft being proprietary and monopolizing, XP sounds like a good OS. I have to admit I haven't seen it running, though. I think i'll get it when it comes out if I can get the ca$h.

About the product activation, I remember reading somewhere about a company that took the WPA apart and analyzed what it did. With the version that they had it took 10 pieces of equipment (ram amt., hd #, cd #, nic mac address, dockable(Y/N), and I don't remember). It will ask to be re-activated after 3 things have changed, unless it is dockable (ie a laptop), and then it takes 6 things to re-activate, in order to accept the changes in docking hardware. The only things differen't that i've heard lately are that it takes 4 changes to ask for re-activation, and the baseline is reset every 120 days, or something like that. I don't really think WPA will be a big hinderance.

For business that have to load XP on lots of computers, I've seen office XP's that don't need to be activated because they are sold under a multi computer lisence.

My 2c.

Found it! http://www.licenturion.com/xp/

[This message has been edited by apd183 (edited September 10, 2001).]

[Darren Wilson]

<font face="Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Geneva" size="2">Originally posted by JWW:
Also it seems that AGP 4X is disabled with XP on VIA chipsets by default, even after installing the 4-in-1 drivers (v4.32 & 4.33) it was still not reported as being in 4X mode (Sisoft Sandra & WCPUID bith reported it as 4X compatiable but running in 2X) even though it was under Windows 2000. Updated video drivers didn't work either (nVidia Detonators & ATI's Radeon drivers) for either of the Video cards tried.

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I had the same problem until I installed the latest Radeon Beta drivers. Now everythign is running as t was under Win2K. Just got to find some decent SB Live! drivers now that don't go all wishy-washy when Hardware Acceleration is enabled....

I must admit though that one of the new MP8 visualisations in the ****! for Windows XP is very humourous http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum1/noncgi/biggrin.gif http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum1/noncgi/biggrin.gif http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum1/noncgi/biggrin.gif


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[Froghead]

<font face="Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Geneva" size="2">Originally posted by Budster64:

I would sincerely like to know how this happened since I have never seen the CPU fry the MOBO out....I've seen it the other way around though.

So I'd sure would like to know what happened, and how you came about this diagnosis??[/B]</font>

Heh Budster64, ya haven' seen an Athlon meltdown yet? We've had two in our shop. First one just melted the fan on the heatsink, mobo was fine. The second one we saw melted the fan too but also welded itself to the socket. Needed a 2ft crowbar to pry the sucker out. So which did what? The mobo or CPU?



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What I know about computers would fill volumes - what I don't know would fill a wharehouse.

[willys]

I like Win XP and think it will be a great upgrade. I haven't had any problems with it so far except the OPK Preinstallation part. One cool feature that will help alot of techs who troubleshoot it is the Remote Assistance. Its like a PC Anywhere program that is setup in the OS already. You will be able to take control of a customers computer from an e-mail. Also, I really like the profiling. A user can go into XP even if another user is is running a program. YOu can log into the system while the other user still has everything running. I give it a thumbs up. The preinstallation is alot easier that Win 2000, I think to, with the new Winbom.ini and the WinPE enviorment. Alot of new features. http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum1/noncgi/cwmsmilies/cwm15.gif

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[Cobra]

<font face="Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Geneva" size="2">Originally posted by Darren Wilson:
I must admit though that one of the new MP8 visualisations in the ****! for Windows XP is very humourous http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum1/noncgi/biggrin.gif http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum1/noncgi/biggrin.gif http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum1/noncgi/biggrin.gif

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I assume you're talking about Munch, DW? Let the Bodies Hit the Floor. http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum1/noncgi/biggrin.gif

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[Darren Wilson]

<font face="Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Geneva" size="2">Originally posted by Cobra:
I assume you're talking about Munch, DW? Let the Bodies Hit the Floor. http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum1/noncgi/biggrin.gif

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Shhhhhh nobody is supposed to know about Munch yet http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum1/noncgi/wink.gif http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum1/noncgi/wink.gif

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[Budster64]

<font face="Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Geneva" size="2">Originally posted by Froghead:
Heh Budster64, ya haven' seen an Athlon meltdown yet? We've had two in our shop. First one just melted the fan on the heatsink, mobo was fine. The second one we saw melted the fan too but also welded itself to the socket. Needed a 2ft crowbar to pry the sucker out. So which did what? The mobo or CPU?

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traditionally Athlons run hot...but that's not the CPU that was mentioned. He said a Pent, which does not run as hot as the Athlons. Also don't forget where the CPU get's it's voltage...the mobo.



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Through quiet reflection and great dedication
Master the art of karate
Lo, we shall rise up
And then we'll make the bugger's eyes water

[Stuffygibbon]

<font face="Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Geneva" size="2">Originally posted by DVader:
The Ugly: Microsoft Product Activation, need I say more.</font>

I have the full FINAL release of WindowsXP PRO 'select edition'. It's runs sweet! And as for the activation problem. I didn't have to do it and wont ever have too eather. Because I got hold of a 'Select'copy you don't need to do any of that c**p. And everything runs great.

Nero 5 works fine (with ASPI drivers). Only real problems I have is with my SB live 5.1. Creative wont supply any XP drivers untill WinXP is realeased.

Norton AV 2002 and partion magic 7 pro both work fine but anything below that doesn't.

Not sure if it's me but my 56k modem seams faster aswell, probably something to do with IE6.

It's a bit on the colourfull side, but that fish screensaver is great!

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[Darren Wilson]

<font face="Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Geneva" size="2">Originally posted by Stuffygibbon:
Norton AV 2002 and partion magic 7 pro both work fine but anything below that doesn't.
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NAV 2001 works fine on XP if you download the latest SYMEVNT.EXE file from Symantec.

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Yes it is the real deal
Let the Boobies hit the floor

[KBPERF]

I have XP pro build 2600 and love it! HP doesnt have drivers for xp yet for my scanner but say they will soon. My SBLive works fine,and did from install. the windows update feature did download newer creative sblive drivers but I saw no problems before or after the driver switch. My computer seems faster than win 9x,ME or 2000 pro. I'd reccomend it.

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Computers are only as smart as the user, well... in some cases the computer IS smarter.

[Mogul]

<font face="Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Geneva" size="2">Originally posted by Darren Wilson:
Shhhhhh nobody is supposed to know about Munch yet http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum1/noncgi/wink.gif http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum1/noncgi/wink.gif

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Munch Rox!

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