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Matridom

July 6th, 2002, 08:29 AM

here, there are several choices. Opening is sometimes the most important part of the game.

Now you can either move your knights out to try and hold back the pawn's. You can also move up your king pawn to match adept, or sacrifice your queen pawn to put adept off his feet. (for queen pawn) If he takes you, you move your queen up, if not, then you can move that pawn forward again or take his pawn, gaining more control of the board. The King pawn is the more conservative move, the Queen pawn is a bolder, risker move.

NooNoo

July 6th, 2002, 09:01 AM

Ummm, can I turn the board round? :D :D

OK Mat, thanks for the advice, I am gonna jump in with both feet, move the Queen Pawn up two - from D7 to D5

On a side note, why not move a pawn that allows you to get a bishop out first?

Draggar

July 6th, 2002, 09:16 AM

<img src="http://www3.sympatico.ca/sboisvert/images/noo.jpg" alt=" - " />

Fool's mate from here:
(All white moves)

After the pawn is moved, they move the Queen to H5.

Then , you move the Bishop (on F1) to C4.

Then, the kill Move the queen to F7.
Instant Checkmate in 4 moves. :D

**EDIT**
Now, if certain moves are made by plack, it can completely destroy the chance of a Fool's mate. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Matridom

July 6th, 2002, 09:27 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by NooNoo:
On a side note, why not move a pawn that allows you to get a bishop out first?<hr /></blockquote>Either king pawn or queen pawn allows you to get a bishop out. The queen pawn also allows you to get the queen out sooner and hopefully more controll of the board. (but so does the qking pawn)

The difference is mainly a slow fortification, or a set of skirmishs.. With the taking of pieces early like this you are making the centre of the board open. You get the chance to make a few piece controling the board more efective, and your also keeping things clear for the larger pieces to have more sway. That type of game the pace can change dramaticly.

NooNoo

July 6th, 2002, 11:18 AM

Hmmm I guess I meant the pawns at B and G...

Any who, lets see if this works

<img src="http://ftb.dns2go.com/chess1.jpg" alt=" - " />

DiR[ëctory]

July 6th, 2002, 09:59 PM

i think he may take you now noo noo...

cc_penguin

July 6th, 2002, 10:45 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DiR[ëctory]:
i think he may take you now noo noo...<hr /></blockquote>That wouldnt be wise on his part as that would leave an open in on his king...

DiR[ëctory]

July 6th, 2002, 11:33 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by cc_penguin:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DiR[ëctory]:
i think he may take you now noo noo...<hr /></blockquote>That wouldnt be wise on his part as that would leave an open in on his king...<hr /></blockquote>too early in the game to be threatened :D

NooNoo

July 7th, 2002, 07:17 AM

fun fun fun!

cc_penguin

July 7th, 2002, 07:53 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DiR[ëctory]:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by cc_penguin:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by DiR[ëctory]:
i think he may take you now noo noo...<hr /></blockquote>That wouldnt be wise on his part as that would leave an open in on his king...<hr /></blockquote>too early in the game to be threatened :D <hr /></blockquote>Dont forget that there is a possiblitly of Checkmate in four moves.... its never too early

Draggar

July 7th, 2002, 10:17 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by cc_penguin:
Dont forget that there is a possiblitly of Checkmate in four moves.... its never too early<hr /></blockquote>Thats the "fools mate" I posted earlier... :)

But one or two moves can really mess it up, and leave you wide open.

Poseidon

July 7th, 2002, 01:31 PM

This shall to prove quite interesting and entertaining. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by NooNoo:
Ummm, can I turn the board round? :D :D <hr /></blockquote>Btw - click the Rotate button/icon to get a better perspective.

Stalemate

July 8th, 2002, 11:35 AM

Thanks for all the comments folks.

It's great to see so much participation.

I apologize for the delay, but my weekend was so hectic that coming in to work today was actually relaxing! :rolleyes:

So, since <a href="http://www.chesscorner.com/tutorial/basic/scholars/scholars.htm" target="_blank">this trick</a> has already been compromised, I'll have to change my overall strategy! :p

2w. Nc3

Reason:
Developping my knight at c3 targets the d5 pawn at its current position while also covering e4 if Noonoo feels a bit aggressive. Should d4 be played instead, that may throw me off balance for a couple of moves but I'm relatively confident that I'll be in a better position after the altercation.

NooNoo

July 8th, 2002, 11:53 AM

Hmmmm.... so the board looks like this... N stands for Knight?

<img src="http://ftb.dns2go.com/chess2.jpg" alt=" - " />

Poseidon

July 8th, 2002, 12:03 PM

This may be a little early but one piece of advice I feel is important is to know your opponent.

Learn different tactics he/she uses by studying previous games. Then try to lure him/her into a trap by thinking you are using one technique while in fact you are performing another. Keep him/her guessing.

Stalemate

July 8th, 2002, 12:07 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by NooNoo:
Hmmmm.... so the board looks like this... N stands for Knight? ...<hr /></blockquote>That's exactly it - thanks for the pics. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

NooNoo

July 8th, 2002, 12:12 PM

<img src="http://ftb.dns2go.com/chess2.jpg" alt=" - " />

Ok will provide a new pic on each new page... and I have narrowed it so it should be a little easier to see...

As for know thine opponent... hmmmm well thats a little bit difficult, I didnt follow the previous games and I cannot do the moves in my head.

I will however take the "aggressive" move suggested :D :D

Stalemate

July 8th, 2002, 12:12 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Poseidon:
This may be a little early but one piece of advice I feel is important is to know your opponent.

Learn different tactics he/she uses by studying previous games. Then try to lure him/her into a trap by thinking you are using one technique while in fact you are performing another. Keep him/her guessing.<hr /></blockquote>That's an excellent point, Poseidon. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

It may be hard to do at first, but after a while you get a "feel" for your opponent's style. You may even be able to figure it out during the first game, if it's not overly subtle.

Should I refrain from explaining my moves then, Noonoo? Or would you prefer that I keep posting my reasons for my moves?

NooNoo

July 8th, 2002, 12:17 PM

No no, you post your rational, it is the rational that interests me most, why one move is better than another... If I understood that, this tutorial would probably not be necessary :)

Stalemate

July 8th, 2002, 01:21 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by NooNoo:
No no, you post your rational, it is the rational that interests me most, why one move is better than another... If I understood that, this tutorial would probably not be necessary :) <hr /></blockquote>Just checking. :D

3w. Nd5

Let me know if the notations are clear enough. I could also post the starting position instead of its destination only.

Reason:
I'd rather position a knight (N) in the middle of the board than risk giving you the opportunity of developing your Queen (Q) pretty much unopposed in that area. It's doubtful you'll be attacking the knight as it stands now, preferring instead to either take out another pawn from files "c" or "e", or moving the same pawn forward on file "d" again just to tick me off. :D

In general, I prefer to control the middle of the board instead of capturing/exchanging pieces this early in the game.

Matridom

July 8th, 2002, 01:47 PM

Alright NooNoo, what you need to try to do is to push back Adepts knight and at the same time make an advance move that will allow you to control the board more. In ensence you need to try and make adept retreat and loose the initiative of the game.

Bishop to E6 is a good move, also E or C pawn up one.

Stalemate

July 8th, 2002, 02:26 PM

Matridom made an excellent comment about gaining the initiative.

Gaining initiative basically means that I will be replying or parrying your moves, which prevents me from taking the offensive, while you pretty much dictate the way the game will unfold.

Some players will prefer to just give up when they lose the initiative.

NooNoo

July 8th, 2002, 02:51 PM

Mat those pawns, only up one? why not two?

Stalemate

July 8th, 2002, 03:11 PM

One up would place my knight in danger... :p

Matridom

July 8th, 2002, 03:20 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by NooNoo:
Mat those pawns, only up one? why not two?<hr /></blockquote>Adept got it, moving two bypasses the knight and let's him threaten you, if you move them up one, you threaten the knight and develop your pieces a little. The only way your going to get it to move is a threat. If he moves it back, you've gained the initiative a little.

NooNoo

July 8th, 2002, 04:31 PM

hmmm, so you are saying it is unwise to move the "e" pawn up two and let the big guns worry about the knight?

Matridom

July 8th, 2002, 06:17 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by NooNoo:
hmmm, so you are saying it is unwise to move the "e" pawn up two and let the big guns worry about the knight?<hr /></blockquote>This may sound odd, but your trying to setup a perimiter of defense. Moving your e pawn up two will give you the advantage of backing up your lone pawn, right now your queen is doing that if you can get the knight to move. Think of it has Adept has invaded your terirtory, so kick him out. if you move the knight, you pawn get's defense again, if you force the knight back, you get initiative, everything points to kicking that night out. That is the reason why it's the most likely choice. Much to be gained, little risk.

Adept may want to chime in and explain what he would be expecting for a counter move, or what a futur plan might be.

Stalemate

July 8th, 2002, 07:21 PM

What I would do is move e6, as Mat has already suggested.

You're repelling the knight while at the same time opening up a venue to develop your black bishop at the same time, should you so wish.

Tip: Always try to make your move double-edged when you can do so. In this case, a "defensive" move would allow a shot at gaining the initiative quickly later on, either through deploying your queen or your bishop on the black diagonals.

NooNoo

July 9th, 2002, 04:54 AM

Fair enough: e6 then....

I have also predicted your next move - its in a sealed envelope, be interesting to see if I am right :D

<img src="http://ftb.dns2go.com/chess3.jpg" alt=" - " />

Poseidon

July 9th, 2002, 10:11 AM

Who's winning? I have 2 bucks that says NooNoo will prevail. (j/k :p )

Didn't have anything constructive to say at the moment.

Stalemate

July 9th, 2002, 11:19 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Poseidon:
Who's winning? I have 2 bucks that says NooNoo will prevail. (j/k :p )

Didn't have anything constructive to say at the moment.<hr /></blockquote>I wouldn't be surprised if she did, as she has about 4 fans rooting for her and helping her out, including myself! :D

I'll post my move later this PM - I'm on a client site right now. :rolleyes:

Stalemate

July 9th, 2002, 01:06 PM

4w. Nf4

...as you expected, Noonoo? Good choice. :D

Reason:
This is the only safe move to make for now. Even though it gives you a shot at gaining initiative, losing a knight to a pawn is (to me) unacceptable and there is nothing to benefit from if I press on in your ranks with it (f6, e7, c7, b6) I'll just give you even more ability to set up your "middle".

NooNoo

July 9th, 2002, 02:55 PM

Well I am now going to move without ANY advice - what do you think? Bd6

Poseidon - only two bucks? I am insulted!!

<img src="http://ftb.dns2go.com/chess4.jpg" alt=" - " />

Stalemate

July 9th, 2002, 03:15 PM

You GO, girl! :D

5w. Qg4

Reason:
It may be a bit early in the game, but placing my queen at this position I can protect my knight and put some pressure on the g7 pawn at the same time. This also allows me to control pretty much the entire right side of the board for now.
This may not be a wise move, but we can learn from mistakes as well as successes, can't we?

Matridom

July 9th, 2002, 03:25 PM

Nf6 you get to put pressure on the queen and force him to move it, your are also seting your self up to take the pawn at E4. In addtion it will let you castle early in the game if you feel it's necessairy. This move however locks your queen in for atleast 1 move (two moves required to get it out now). you also do not stop him from taking your pawn.

Pf5 you can also use this move to force the queen back, however he may take it, making a pawn excahnge in the middle of the board, leaving you wide open. This move also "Breaks" you king pocket in the corner if you do decide to castle.

Bxf4 you take his piece, you take out a knight, you loose your bishop, and he get's a queen out in the open with little to stop or back him up.

Edit:

Pg6 you protect your pawn, you develop you pocket but put no pressure on the queen, the Knight move from above might be a good follow to this move.

I won't post any recommended move from now on, I'll just post what possibilities that i see and how they would affect the game. Final choice will be your's NooNoo

Poseidon

July 9th, 2002, 03:35 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by NooNoo:
. . . .
Poseidon - only two bucks? I am insulted!!<hr /></blockquote>Hey! You can by a lot for two dollars - anyone seen the 10-10-whatever commercials? :D

NooNoo

July 10th, 2002, 07:20 AM

OK, here is a move Matridom didn't mention, Qf6 - I choose YOU!!!

Stalemate

July 10th, 2002, 10:07 AM

6w. Nh5

Good call for the suggestions and possible outcomes idea, Matridom. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Reason:
I'm attacking the black queen at f6 while also putting more pressure on the pawn at g7.
While not entirely regaining the initiative, I'm placing the burden of defense on you for at least one move, which may be enough for me to regain my stride.

NooNoo

July 10th, 2002, 12:54 PM

Just out of curiosity - If I had moved the pawn to g6 - what would have been your next move Adept?

Stalemate

July 10th, 2002, 01:45 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by NooNoo:
Just out of curiosity - If I had moved the pawn to g6 - what would have been your next move Adept?<hr /></blockquote>Then I would have gone with Nf3.

Reason:
Possibility of re-asserting my position in the middle of the board be developping another knight in that area.
Strengthening my presence overall on the board.

Matridom

July 10th, 2002, 01:52 PM

NooNoo, you have some tough choices, either gamble on a queen trade or retreat and give Adept the initiative. Right now, you NEED to move your queen somewhere, so retreat or trade is your choice.

NooNoo

July 10th, 2002, 02:38 PM

Ok I do believe that my move (Qf6) was probably not a smart move...

Adept, since this is a tutorial game... you could choose to roll back the game slightly, and I take the pf6 move instead... What do you think?

Poseidon

July 10th, 2002, 03:34 PM

Yeah, it was a bad move, but you may still be able to recover.

If you don't roll back then I would suggest: Qg6 and take a chance of swapping Queens.
Either way it would force a d e p t to move his Queen. If he elects not to swap, then you can threaten his knight.
Otherwise again like Matridom said, you will have to retreat your Queen and give up some initiative, not to mention waste a move.

btw - would someone update a pic, thanks <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

NooNoo

July 10th, 2002, 03:55 PM

Stalemate

July 10th, 2002, 08:43 PM

Sorry Noo, I would let you take back your move under different circumstances, but the rules specifically state that if you touch a piece, you must play it - and if you let go that piece, your move is over.

Don't worry about it though, I won't be a complete bastard about it. :D

7w. d3

Reason:
Well, I guess I'm a bastard after all. :p
Your queen is almost certainly gone now. Moving g5 will just postpone it and give either my bishop or my queen and even better position. I would think that Nf6 - to neutralize the threat posed by my queen-knight duo by attacking both of them would be the best reply to this move, but others may see it differently.
Although I'm pretty sure they'll all agree about the "bastard" part.

NooNoo

July 11th, 2002, 05:36 AM

<img src="http://ftb.dns2go.com/chess7.jpg" alt=" - " />

hmmmmm

Stalemate

July 11th, 2002, 08:16 AM

Sorry Noonoo,

It was in fact a pawn moving to d3.

I forgot to specify the entire move and used algebraic notation to indicate it. :rolleyes:

As a rule of thumb, moves where a piece isn't written (K)ing, (Q)ueen, k(N)ight, (B)ishop, and (R)ook, it should be assumed that a pawn is being played.

Very sorry about that.

You'll see that my comments make a bit more sense now. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

NooNoo

July 11th, 2002, 08:56 AM

You are correct - you are a complete Bastard!! :D
nf6

Matridom

July 11th, 2002, 09:18 AM

Tough choice here, I think like adept said, it's time to move the night up, once there, NooNoo you'll have th option of castling letting you get a better defense and a chance to regroup

Stalemate

July 11th, 2002, 01:32 PM

As long as you are learning something and enjoying yourself... :p

8w. Bxh6

Reason:
Apart from being a complete bastard, this indirect exchange of queens puts me in a position where I may be able to prevent you from castling.
If I have foreseen your next moves well, I should even be able to keep the initiative if not gain some material at the same time.

NooNoo

July 11th, 2002, 02:17 PM

Well as expected I took your queen with my knight, not that that got me anywhere, so whats next oh great one? :p

Stalemate

July 11th, 2002, 03:56 PM

9w. Bxg7

Reason:
While protecting your rook at h8 by moving it to g8, you will leave me free to take the pawn at d4 and position my bishop in the middle of the board.
Also, you will no longer be able to do a king's castle, as your rook has now moved.

Like I said earlier, it's always best to find a move that will have a dual purpose.

As you noticed, I had no misgivings in sacrificing my queen as long as it was exchanged with yours. That's another tip: Whenever you can exchange pieces of equal value, do so. This doesn't apply to every situation, but it works more often than it doesn't.

Time for me to drive home, but - like any good WinDrivers addict - will probably be back as soon as I can this evening.

NooNoo

July 11th, 2002, 04:46 PM

Mebbe I am not aggressive enough for this game :D

anyway, sigh, Rook to G8...

<img src="http://ftb.dns2go.com/chess8.jpg" alt=" - " />

Stalemate

July 11th, 2002, 06:10 PM

10w. Bxd4

Reason:
Because I can. Whenever you get the opportunity to gain material unthreatened by your opponent, do so.

Actually, "aggressive" players tend to make strategic mistakes more often than "defensive" ones.

What you need to find now is an edge that will expose weaknesses in my setup. In fact, going on the offensive would be my recommendation, by slamming Bxh2 into my ranks. It's not as crazy as it seems at first.

Think about the possible outcomes for that move and/or wait for one of the spectators to give you some ideas.

BTW, your knight is a thorn in my side where it'S positioned now. Backing it up could also be an idea. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Matridom

July 11th, 2002, 07:12 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by a d e p t:
10w. Bxd4

Reason:
Because I can. Whenever you get the opportunity to gain material unthreatened by your opponent, so so.

Actually, "aggressive" players tend to make strategic mistakes more often than "defensive" ones.

What you need to find now is an edge that will expose weaknesses in my setup. In fact, going on the offensive would be my recommendation, by slamming Bxh2 into my ranks. It's not as crazy as it seems at first.

Think about the possible outcomes for that move and/or wait for one of the spectators to give you some ideas.

BTW, your knight is a thorn in my side where it'S positioned now. Backing it up could also be an idea. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>Me and NooNoo had discussed this move in chat, and a few other past moves, hence my not posting too much, I'll come out and explain the choices as seen by both of us.

We think the better move would be to move Kc6 that NooNoo came up with. It would put your bishop at d4 on the run. Adept, your either going to need to run with your bishop(c3), or move in under the protection of the knight (f6 or g2), g2 would be the obvious choice.

What you suggest does decimate the ranks, however after carefull deliberation (pulling out my actual chest board) I don't think it's the best move, NooNoo only comes out marginaly ahead and out of position, and your knight is still a thorn in her side(moving to f6).

NooNoo

July 11th, 2002, 07:28 PM

Thats right Mat, give all my secrets away... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D

<img src="http://ftb.dns2go.com/chess10.jpg" alt=" - " />

Knight to c6

Stalemate

July 11th, 2002, 07:57 PM

Let me think about that one to make it worth your while. :D

Stalemate

July 12th, 2002, 09:16 AM

11w. Nf6+

Reason:
Well, not much of a choice, really. Talk about payback! :D
Playing f3 or g3, as well as e5 are pawn moves which wouldn't necessarily be "bad" moves, but wouldn't stop your knight at c6 from trotting over into my side of the board after taking my bishop, keeping me from executing a queen's side castle, and possibly losing my rook on top of that.
This way I can expect to exchange some pieces doesn't place me in dire straits right away.

Excellent move! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Matridom

July 12th, 2002, 09:51 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by a d e p t:
11w. Nf6+

Reason:
Well, not much of a choice, really. Talk about payback! :D
Playing f3 or g3, as well as e5 are pawn moves which wouldn't necessarily be "bad" moves, but wouldn't stop your knight at c6 from trotting over into my side of the board after taking my bishop, keeping me from executing a queen's side castle, and possibly losing my rook on top of that.
This way I can expect to exchange some pieces doesn't place me in dire straits right away.

Excellent move! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>Not much of a choice. Nxf6 or moving the king and loosing the knight. with a well protected queen side and one piece needed to move out, a queen side castle would be VERY advantageous. so trading the knights will let you do that. The downside is that your knight get's out form adpets side, no mater what you do.

Poseidon

July 12th, 2002, 10:29 AM

Have no mercy - take out the Knight :p :D

NooNoo

July 12th, 2002, 02:33 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Matridom:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by a d e p t:
11w. Nf6+

Reason:
Well, not much of a choice, really. Talk about payback! :D
Playing f3 or g3, as well as e5 are pawn moves which wouldn't necessarily be "bad" moves, but wouldn't stop your knight at c6 from trotting over into my side of the board after taking my bishop, keeping me from executing a queen's side castle, and possibly losing my rook on top of that.
This way I can expect to exchange some pieces doesn't place me in dire straits right away.

Excellent move! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>Not much of a choice. Nxf6 or moving the king and loosing the knight. with a well protected queen side and one piece needed to move out, a queen side castle would be VERY advantageous. so trading the knights will let you do that. The downside is that your knight get's out form adpets side, no mater what you do.<hr /></blockquote>When I work out what language the two of you are speaking, I will make a move :D

NooNoo

July 12th, 2002, 03:13 PM

OK, had a nice chat with Matridom and got it all translated... I should have just read what Poseidon said :rolleyes:

Still here we go, unsurprisingly, one nuked Knight!

Kf6

<img src="http://ftb.dns2go.com/chess11.jpg" alt=" - " />

Stalemate

July 12th, 2002, 03:34 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by NooNoo:
When I work out what language the two of you are speaking, I will make a move :D <hr /></blockquote>I keep forgetting that I need to make myself "understandable". :D

I promise I'll try to be clearer, and hope that the other participants can clear up any gibberish I post. :rolleyes:

12w. Bxf6

Reason:
Just playing the procession to its logical end... trying to make up for the loss of my knight (minimizing inevitable loss of material). :cool:

NooNoo

July 12th, 2002, 03:59 PM

OK, that was the expected move... my turn Be7

<img src="http://ftb.dns2go.com/chess12.jpg" alt=" - " />

Stalemate

July 12th, 2002, 07:32 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by NooNoo:
OK, that was the expected move... my turn Be7<hr /></blockquote>So I'm getting predictable now... :rolleyes:

13w. Bxe7

Reason:
It would be pointless to withdraw as I would most probably still lose the piece anyhow.
This way, I can somewhat even out the game with the both of us having to deploy more pieces, as you are most likely to use your knight to take out my bishop so that your king can keep its ability to castle.
I don't know if your counselors will agree, but I feel that my defenses aren't too bad considering the beating I just took.

I really enjoyed these last couple of moves - very challenging! :cool:

Matridom

July 13th, 2002, 08:12 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by a d e p t:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by NooNoo:
OK, that was the expected move... my turn Be7<hr /></blockquote>So I'm getting predictable now... :rolleyes:

13w. Bxe7

Reason:
It would be pointless to withdraw as I would most probably still lose the piece anyhow.
This way, I can somewhat even out the game with the both of us having to deploy more pieces, as you are most likely to use your knight to take out my bishop so that your king can keep its ability to castle.
I don't know if your counselors will agree, but I feel that my defenses aren't too bad considering the beating I just took.

I really enjoyed these last couple of moves - very challenging! :cool: <hr /></blockquote>Your defenses are indeed intack, but you have very few piece thatyou can deploy quickly. NooNoo has a slightly better contrl of the board and will be able to deplay those piece fare more quickly.

What needs to be done now is to have NooNoo go on the offensive and hit you before you have a chance in opening up. But i think your right about the knight. For defense resons the castling for NooNoo is important. so the Kxe7 would be my recommendation.

NooNoo

July 13th, 2002, 08:50 AM

Not much of a choice really - guess what? - Nxe7

<img src="http://ftb.dns2go.com/chess13.jpg" alt=" - " />

Stalemate

July 13th, 2002, 11:02 AM

I'm guessing from the 2 last posts and the picture that you meant Nxe7 (with the knight (N)), because there is mention of the king (K) keeping the possibility of castling later on.

That's how I would have played too. :cool:

14w. Nf3

Reason:
I'm trying to regain some control of the middle of the board, and developing my knight is a quick way of accomplishing this.
It covers d4, e5, g5, and h4. My pawn at e4 is currently handling d5 and f5

Moving your knight back into action is a bit more complicated now, but you may want to take the time to set up your castling first.

Possibilities for my next moves include d4, or Be2 (king's castle) or O-O-O (queen's castle) - all depending on your course of action.

Did I mention I'm having a really good time playing this bout? :D

I've updated the main page picture from the white point of view.

NooNoo

July 13th, 2002, 11:54 AM

Ok so sue me, Knights start with a K, and I get confused soooo easily :D :D

Back to staring at the chess board...

NooNoo

July 13th, 2002, 01:27 PM

Pf6

:p

NooNoo

July 15th, 2002, 10:51 AM

My apologies for the Red X's, I managed to wipe out my apache directory... seems it upgraded all my gifs and jpg's into oblivion....

:(

Here is the current situation... <img src="http://ftb.dns2go.com/chess14.jpg" alt=" - " />

Stalemate

July 15th, 2002, 11:25 AM

15w. e5

Reason:
I'll be intercepting your pawn at f6 and stopping you from advancing with your own pawn on file e.
I chose this move instead of O-O-O, d4 or Be2, as I'm guessing that there's a reason you did not play f5 to catch my own pawn on file d right away.

Sorry I took so long to answer - I was pretty sick yesterday. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

Stalemate

July 15th, 2002, 05:55 PM

Main page picture (white perspective) updated.

NooNoo

July 17th, 2002, 08:10 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by a d e p t:
I'm guessing that there's a reaaon you did not play f5 to catch my own pawn on file d right away.[/i]

Sorry I took so long to answer - I was pretty sick yesterday. :( <hr /></blockquote>There is, but on second glance I think I should have thought through better...

Edit: what do you mean by file D? I have no pawn to advance on the "d line"

Stalemate

July 17th, 2002, 08:34 AM

You know, I'm not entirely sure what I meant by that either... :rolleyes: :confused: :D

I'll think about it a bit and try to see if I was making any sense. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Poseidon

July 17th, 2002, 09:52 AM

NooNoo - looks like you may need to purchase the software - 15 trail period is approaching fast :p

Matridom

July 17th, 2002, 09:56 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Poseidon:
NooNoo - looks like you may need to purchase the software - 15 trail period is approaching fast :p <hr /></blockquote>LOL!! :D :D

NooNoo

July 17th, 2002, 10:20 AM

You guys never heard of format? eheheh - seriously, I have to format this box..when I receive my barracuda iv :p

Stalemate

July 17th, 2002, 10:45 AM

I've corrected the post with my last move.

You were right Noonoo - I had mistyped "d" instead of "e". :rolleyes:

Let's get on with it then! :D

NooNoo

July 17th, 2002, 11:32 AM

Pf5...

<img src="http://ftb.dns2go.com/chess15.jpg" alt=" - " />

Stalemate

July 17th, 2002, 01:30 PM

16w. O-O-O

Reason:
Well, now that my evil plans are shot (or postponed), I'll have to fall back onto Plan B. :D
I'm thinking now would be a good time to castle, since there's no obvious attacks against me and that it will take a couple of moves before we can get started on battle plans again.

All right, who have you been talking to? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

You were supposed to take that pawn! :p

NooNoo

July 17th, 2002, 01:37 PM

Put it down to the unpredictability of women :p

Matridom

July 17th, 2002, 01:56 PM

*looks around innocently*

It was plain that you want the pawn taking so that you could move your knight up more. by skiping the pawn, the stalemate gets extended and your kight is forced to stay back(the only piece you can use to attack.

Now for NooNoo,

i think Pb6 would be the best move. it would allow you to get your bishop out where it can do some damage and will also allow you to castle when the bishop moves. Again, after the castle the option to move the rook down G and D file will give NooNoo a lot of advantage.

Stalemate

July 17th, 2002, 03:09 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Matridom:
*looks around innocently*...<hr /></blockquote>Hey, you couldn't even fake being innocent! :p

I would suggest Bd7 instead, but I'll leave you to think about it amongst yourselves. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

NooNoo

July 17th, 2002, 03:25 PM

Been looking at that too... decisions decisions... btw Mat puts his recommendations up and I dont look at them until I have gone through the possible moves... so on this occasion he is innocent :)

PB6 it is :)

<img src="http://ftb.dns2go.com/chess16.jpg" alt=" - " />

Stalemate

July 18th, 2002, 12:01 PM

17w. d4

Reason:
Looking ahead to develop my own bishop and get a better position in the middle of the board with this pawn at the same time while it is backed up with my rook on that same file.

Is Mat the only one left to offer you any advice, or are Poseidon, cc_penguin and Kaneda/Pikachu still around also?

cc_penguin

July 18th, 2002, 01:59 PM

Na, Im still around, kinda. My internet usage has been a little sparse here lately with all of the family up due to the death in the family...
Plus I have been busted back down to dial-up at work, until I get the chance to fix the cable connection..

Stalemate

July 18th, 2002, 03:15 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by cc_penguin:
Na, Im still around, kinda. My internet usage has been a little sparse here lately with all of the family up due to the death in the family...
Plus I have been busted back down to dial-up at work, until I get the chance to fix the cable connection..<hr /></blockquote>I forgot about that. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

Poseidon

July 18th, 2002, 04:22 PM

I'm still here. Not much I can offer right now. Matridom seems to be doing a good job.

I would have thought Wayward Clam would offer his opinion by now.

Stalemate

July 18th, 2002, 06:14 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Poseidon:
...I would have thought Wayward Clam would offer his opinion by now.<hr /></blockquote>He may be a tad pre-occupied with other matters, but he'll turn up. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

I've updated the main page pic and used the SciFi theme (without the gaudy pieces) for kicks.

Matridom

July 18th, 2002, 08:48 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Poseidon:
I'm still here. Not much I can offer right now. Matridom seems to be doing a good job.

I would have thought Wayward Clam would offer his opinion by now.<hr /></blockquote>I'll take a breather then, go ahead and put your two cents in.

more advice the better. I personaly think that Bb7 is the best move, can someone tell ushe 3 reasons why i think it a good move?

Stalemate

July 18th, 2002, 09:05 PM

Let's see...
 Opens up the rank for queen's castle.
</li> Better defensive position if I bring my white bishop to b5.
</li> Threatening my knight at f3.
</li> Would defend your knight if you brought it to d5. </li>Did I miss anything, you fiend? :p

Matridom

July 18th, 2002, 09:15 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by a d e p t:
Let's see...
 Better defensive position if I bring my white bishop to b5.
</li> Threatening my knight at f3.
</li> Would defend your knight if you brought it to d5. </li>Did I miss anything, you fiend? :p <hr /></blockquote>ya, if you move your knight, she can smash it into your ranks and have protection from the rook :D

Stalemate

July 18th, 2002, 09:20 PM

We are going to play together again one of these days, aren't we?

:D

Matridom

July 18th, 2002, 09:23 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by a d e p t:
We are going to play together again one of these days, aren't we?

:D <hr /></blockquote>LOL!!

I'm sure we can come to some accomadations.

I'll put more concentration on the new one. I'll also set it up so that we both can update the pics..

Stalemate

July 18th, 2002, 09:25 PM

Either that, or play it through the ChessRally interface if you have it. :D

Matridom

July 18th, 2002, 09:37 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by a d e p t:
Either that, or play it through the ChessRally interface if you have it. :D <hr /></blockquote>I reinstalled last week, I have the install SOMEWHERE.....

NooNoo

July 19th, 2002, 05:20 AM

OK I have just finished formatting and putting the OS on... so I should be back in the game shortly.

Mat is foolish enough to come in the chatroom when I am there and gets grilled about moves... If anyone else comes in that knows about chess, they get grilled too.

Matridom

July 19th, 2002, 07:18 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by NooNoo:
OK I have just finished formatting and putting the OS on... so I should be back in the game shortly.

Mat is foolish enough to come in the chatroom when I am there and gets grilled about moves... If anyone else comes in that knows about chess, they get grilled too.<hr /></blockquote>I think i'll pop in here before i pop in chat.. :D

Stalemate

July 19th, 2002, 07:50 AM

I'm sure Mat and the others are giving you excellent advice. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

In my case, it's a bit more difficult to be objective - even though it is a tutorial game - being involved in it.

I have to remind myself constantly that the goal is to give you tips on drafting up your own strategies (and you seem to be picking it up quite nicely), not necessarily win the game. :rolleyes:

I'll be out today and tomorrow, but if I can sneak in a peek I will.

NooNoo

July 19th, 2002, 08:12 AM

Cool, breathing space... /me goes back to putting office back...

NooNoo

July 21st, 2002, 06:47 AM

So having taken onboard all the advice I can muster, I will move my Bishop to D7

<img src="http://ftb.dns2go.com/chess17.jpg" alt=" - " />

Stalemate

July 22nd, 2002, 11:22 AM

18w.h4 (or Ph4 if you prefer)

Reason:
It just feels right :cool:

There isn't much I can do to prevent your castling, so I'm trying to open up a bit to develop my pieces.

Matridom

July 22nd, 2002, 12:59 PM

w00t!! the game continues!

Hmm, now i got think about this one

DiR[ëctory]

July 22nd, 2002, 01:16 PM

Go NooNoo Go NooNoo Go NooNoo

Stalemate

July 22nd, 2002, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by DiR[ëctory]
Go NooNoo Go NooNoo Go NooNoo

Rooting for the underdog? :rolleyes:

NooNoo

July 22nd, 2002, 01:44 PM

Well Matridom when yer done thinking....

Adept, this is supposed to be a tutorial, no underdogs allowed...

Matridom

July 22nd, 2002, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by NooNoo
Well Matridom when yer done thinking....

Adept, this is supposed to be a tutorial, no underdogs allowed...

Well as adept said, i can't say for sure, but o-o-o just feels right (queen side castle)

Stalemate

July 22nd, 2002, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by NooNoo
Well Matridom when yer done thinking....

Adept, this is supposed to be a tutorial, no underdogs allowed...

I'm just hoping the "underdog" fan club gets transferred to me once you start kicking my butt around the board. :p

But you're quite right, this game can be considered "unofficial", but I'm still having lots of fun with it. :D

Poseidon

July 22nd, 2002, 02:15 PM

At this point O-O-O would be my recommendation also.

NooNoo

July 22nd, 2002, 04:24 PM

Sigh, lets not go against the flow this time... queen side castle for me :D

http://ftb.dns2go.com/chess18.jpg

Stalemate

July 23rd, 2002, 11:10 AM

19w. Ba6+

Reason:
Well, it's relatively safe and may give me some momentum to regain the initiative, while also providing another venu for my rook at h1.

:cool:

Matridom

July 23rd, 2002, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by a d e p t
19w. Ba6+

Reason:
Well, it's relatively safe and may give me some momentum to regain the initiative, while also providing another venu for my rook at h1.

:cool:

Kb8 seems to be the only choice.

NooNoo

July 23rd, 2002, 11:20 AM

I am beginning to think Chess is like a cartoon chest of drawers - you shut one and another pops open...

Well I have the grand choice of one move... Kb8.

http://ftb.dns2go.com/chess19.jpg

Stalemate

July 23rd, 2002, 09:09 PM

20w. Ng5

Reason:
I'm proposing an exchange for your rook, with a possiblity of developing my own rook in the aftermath.

Should you opt not to take the offer, I can then keep the knight moving further in your ranks.

Well, this is my last move for the next while - I'm off to bed. ;)

Matridom

July 23rd, 2002, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by a d e p t
20w. Ng5

Reason:
I'm proposing an exchange for your rook, with a possiblity of developing my own rook in the aftermath.

Should you opt not to take the offer, I can then keep the knight moving further in your ranks.

Well, this is my last move for the next while - I'm off to bed. ;)

Ph6 your forcing adapet to move his knight fiurther into your ranks, your also putting the pawn in a spot where he can't easily take it with his knigh moving in, the benifit to all of this is the chance to "catch" the knight behind your ranks and you can also move your rook right down th g2 and cause some damage there.

NooNoo

July 24th, 2002, 09:38 AM

Once again the NooNoo refuses Mat's advice in the previous reply and does Rook G7
(that is after discussing with him what the effects would be in the chat room :D)

http://ftb.dns2go.com/chess20.jpg

Stalemate

July 24th, 2002, 11:52 PM

21w. Bc4

Reason:
Looking for that party everyone seems to be going to :p

Danger

July 25th, 2002, 02:26 AM

It's been a LONG time since I've played...

well, my first thought would be Nd5

Several reasons for this. it takes a lot of presure off of the pawn at E6 which, though the pawn itself is worth relatively little, is a strategic location to hold at this pooint in the game.

Also, after this move you don't have to worry so much about the white knight threatening your rook later on.

However, I can't say for certain that this is actually the best move. it's late, and I haven't played the game in a while

good luck

Matridom

July 25th, 2002, 08:44 AM

Alright, here is how i see it, adepts next move will be to push his bishop to e6, forcing a trade with yours, he can then move his knight to that spot and nail both rooks.

I'd put a nail in his coffin and not trade bishops. you need to force the knight to move first, so ph6 is my recommendation. He will either run or be forced to make a more even handed trade.

NooNoo

July 25th, 2002, 08:55 AM

hmmm, well I looked at Danger's idea, sorry no, looked at two of my own, but they also lacked a little something, Matridom's suggestion is the top of the heap.

Ph6

http://ftb.dns2go.com/chess21.jpg

Stalemate

July 25th, 2002, 09:51 AM

22w. Nxe6

Reason:
Matridom saw right through that flimsy strategy. :D

As the knight is no longer worth the effort of protecting, I'll have to settle for the exchange with the black bishop instead. Since I'm no endagering both rooks, your next move will be to take my knight with your bishop, which I can dispatch with my own afterwards.

The loss is acceptable, as their respective values are about the same (http://www.chesscorner.com/tutorial/basic/capture/capture.htm), and my bishop will then have less opposition on the white squares.

I see Danger has joined us. Welcome!

Feel free to add your input at any time.

Main page picture updated - white perspective

http://www3.sympatico.ca/sboisvert/images/noo.jpg

PS How come everyone is siding with Noonoo? I'm not getting any hints or tips from you guys! I'm going to report this as sexual discrimination! :rolleyes: :D

NooNoo

July 25th, 2002, 09:53 AM

Edited by NooNoo.... damn, where's the SR when you need it?

Those that want to know what the reply was going to be can (if they are really interested in a lame cheap humour) pm me :D

NooNoo

July 25th, 2002, 05:17 PM

Shame, this time I have to be predictable - ah well

http://ftb.dns2go.com/chess22.jpg

Yah ok I took yer horsey thing with my point thing....

Stalemate

July 25th, 2002, 06:43 PM

23w. Bxe6

Reason:
Just flowing with it...

Dark Millennium

July 25th, 2002, 07:51 PM

This is turning out to be quite entertaining.:D

Good luck Adept. I would give a tip out to one of you here but I got lost along the way as to what the current game looks like.:(

Matridom

July 25th, 2002, 08:43 PM

Rg2 (from adepts view) take a freeby when ever possible, this will also offset the pawn that started the exchange

kc6 would also be a good move, it will leet you attack some of the pawns in the middle of the board.

I think the first choice is currently the best choice.

Danger

July 26th, 2002, 12:47 AM

Originally posted by Matridom
Rg2 (from adepts view) take a freeby when ever possible, this will also offset the pawn that started the exchange

kc6 would also be a good move, it will leet you attack some of the pawns in the middle of the board.

I think the first choice is currently the best choice.

Agreed. Rg2 seems to be the best option. a single pawn may not seem like much, but it can make a difference towards the end of the game.

NooNoo

July 26th, 2002, 04:04 AM

hmmm, I don't see it as a freebie! I see it as finally being able to start evening the score on pawns :D

RG2

http://ftb.dns2go.com/chess23.jpg

Stalemate

July 26th, 2002, 02:35 PM

24w. Rd2

Reason:
ALthough I could move the threatened pawn along file f, I think leaving it in place for now and moving up my rook to protect it is a wiser move.
It protects adequately the pawn, should your own proceed to take it, while it also threatens your own rook when I do move the pawn on file f.
I think it's also the best move to make if I want to continue exchanging material with you in a manner that keeps our numbers fairly equal in the upcoming moves.

Danger

July 27th, 2002, 03:58 AM

it may not be the best move... but I think its the one I would do. Moving the Pawn to C5. Looking several moves ahead this may give you an advantage. Unfortunately, it also diminishes the protective barrier of pawns around your king. Its a give and take move, but my style would leed me more towards this option.

If Adept takes your Pawn, you take his Rook. If he instead ignores this threat, you may (depending on if he develops any 'counter-threats') take his Pawn. if he moves the Pawn up one space, you can move your Knight to C6. Although this puts your Knight in immediate danger, Adept will probably not take it. If he does, you can counter by taking his Rook. If he does not, you can use your Knight to take the Pawn at E5.

There are other moves as well which may be better... but its getting late and if I think about it to much longer I might fall asleep at my desk.

Danger

July 27th, 2002, 04:06 AM

ok, I am REALLY tired. I realised it just after I posted the last reply, but I still think that what I've suggested thus far is a valid/good move. once you take his rook with your rook, he can take your rook with his king. You can then put his king into check. depending on how you play it out, this could be an acceptable situation. But I don't think you should sacrifice your Knight to get it. like I said... I'm tired... its late... I may be way of on my suggestions right now...

good luck

Matridom

July 27th, 2002, 06:54 AM

pf4, several reasons, first, you move it out of the range of the bishop, freeing your knight to move. you only allow his pawn to move up one square rather then two. if he decides not to move his pawn up, you can move it again, gaining protection for your rook

NooNoo

July 28th, 2002, 08:40 AM

Grrr, I have looked and looked and looked and I cannot come up with a better move than pf4... looks like I will have to play Adepts game for a few more moves... :(

http://ftb.dns2go.com/chess25.jpg

Stalemate

July 29th, 2002, 02:07 PM

Danger and Matridom's counsels are keen - and I had been evaluating a number of possibilities depending on your reaction, but I'll go with ...

25w. d5

Reason:
Threatening your rook at g2 by moving Bh3 would simply allow you to re-position it at g6, which is not good for me right now.
This move is intended to provoke a reaction, possibly even an exchange of material where at the very least our rooks will be traded. My bishop and your knight may be thrown in there too, depending on how aggressive you are feeling.

Stalemate

July 29th, 2002, 02:11 PM

Main page pic updated - white perspective.

Stalemate

July 31st, 2002, 03:49 PM

^BUMP^

Anyone still paying attention to this? :p

NooNoo

July 31st, 2002, 03:55 PM

Funny you should say that, I just launched chess rally and began staring at it again - sorry the last couple of days has been to damn hot to think - and before any more americans say put the a/c on - THIS IS BRITAIN - WE DON'T HAVE AC its only hot for 1 week a year anyway!!

Anyway - back to the staring....

Stalemate

July 31st, 2002, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by NooNoo
...THIS IS BRITAIN - WE DON'T HAVE AC its only hot for 1 week a year anyway!!...

LOL - That'S what people assume of Canada too.

They'd be surprised of this nice little heat wave we're having from july to August on the soutth chore on Montreal.

Except this year, it started in May. :rolleyes:

NooNoo

July 31st, 2002, 06:58 PM

OK, the only thing I can think to do right now is Pawn C6

http://ftb.dns2go.com/chess26.jpg

Stalemate

August 2nd, 2002, 09:33 AM

26w. d6

Reason:
I'm refusing your offer of the pawn and a possible rook exchange in favour of a threat to your knight at e7.
I'm hoping that this will make any exchanges turn in my favour afterwards, but it's hard to plan ahead as there are many potential strategies lying in wait right now, and I'm not sure where things will go.

Main page picture updated - white perspective.

NooNoo

August 2nd, 2002, 06:28 PM

Knight G6 - lets see which way round this will go...

http://ftb.dns2go.com/chess27.jpg

Stalemate

August 3rd, 2002, 11:57 AM

Your post mentions Ng6, but the pic indicates Nd5.

I'll wait until that's clarified before responding, if you don't mind. ;)

Matridom

August 3rd, 2002, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by a d e p t
Your post mentions Ng6, but the pic indicates Nd5.

I'll wait until that's clarified before responding, if you don't mind. ;)

actualy both are good moves.. i thing the Kg6 is slightly better...IMHO

NooNoo

August 3rd, 2002, 02:09 PM

Picture updated to match text... sorry about that! I have, as you may imagine a number of saved games with different possible moves.... and I guess I just wasn't looking at what I was doing again.

Stalemate

August 5th, 2002, 10:51 AM

27w. Bf3

Reason:
Looks like we'll have that exchange of pieces after all.
IMO, exchanging a bishop for a rook is an excellent deal, even if it does place your knight in my ranks or gives one of your pawns a better position.

Main page pic updated - white perspective

NooNoo

August 5th, 2002, 04:08 PM

I got very confused trying to work out if I had missed something, then I checked your updated image :D

Guess its catching huh?;)

Will answer tomorrow - at mother's on dialup 33.6 :sad:

Matridom

August 5th, 2002, 05:59 PM

firewall is blocking the main image.. I think. I'll take a closer look later I am confused...

Stalemate

August 8th, 2002, 06:25 PM

^bump^

Danger

August 9th, 2002, 03:34 AM

ok, heres my take on it
swapping your rook for his bishop isn't necessarily a bad idea. it may not be the best move, but it could turn out beneficial in the end. If you decide to do the swap, this is how I believe you should play it out.

1. pawn to f3

2. assuming he takes your rook, pawn to g2

he will move his rook to safegaurd it from your pawn

3. if he keeps his rook in the h column, pawn to g1 (becomes Queen, white King in check). If his rook remains at h1 or f1 then take it with the pawn. if his rook is moved to d1 or e1, or if he moves his rook to g1, knight to h4.

4. assuming you moved your Knight, these next moves depend on what Adepts does. you would probably want to move your rook to g8

5. if his rook is at g1 (possibly otherwise, as well) and your knight is positioned at h4, Knight to f3

6. By this point there are to many variations to branch them all out. Knight to g1, or pawn to g1 are potential scenarios. pushing for your pawn to become a Queen is a good focus at this point

good luck

Danger

August 11th, 2002, 02:48 PM

^bump^

I hope this game is still going on. I'd like to see the outcome :cool:

Matridom

August 11th, 2002, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by Danger
^bump^

I hope this game is still going on. I'd like to see the outcome :cool:

Game is still ongoing, one of the players is gone for a week, so it's in a suspended state at the moment..

Danger

August 11th, 2002, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by Matridom

Game is still ongoing, one of the players is gone for a week, so it's in a suspended state at the moment..

thanx for the info! I guess I'll just have to be patient then...

NooNoo

August 12th, 2002, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by Danger

thanx for the info! I guess I'll just have to be patient then...

All Things come to he who waits.... (interesting, never to she who waits... :D :D)

OK, Ranger I think the pawn move is good too.... sorry about the wait, but I was at my mothers, the server fell off the net and there was no one to reboot it to reset the wonderful usb adsl modem I have.

Pawn F3

http://ftb.dns2go.com/chess28.jpg

Stalemate

August 12th, 2002, 02:55 PM

28w. e6

Reason:
I'm trying to get a foot in the door with my own pawns here.

The exchange of pieces (rook-bishop) can wait for now, as the basic setup is already in place.

Main page pic updated - white perspective.

Danger

August 13th, 2002, 02:31 AM

Those white pawns on row 6 can turn into a serious threat. In fact, they already are. I'll post my suggestion later on if I get back before you make your move (I need to get some sleep, or my advice won't be very useful)

NooNoo

August 13th, 2002, 09:51 AM

Well Danger, I hope you can come up with something, because I have run a whole bunch of scenarios, none of them have a result even close to what I want!

Stalemate

August 13th, 2002, 10:25 AM

:p

Was Ne5 one of the moves you were considering, Noonoo?

It might seem tame in comparison to other options, but it would place your knight in an excellent spot to cover either "hotspot" currently in progress.

Since gaining the initiative isn't quite in your grasp yet, developping more pieces into the middle area would be an investment in the upcoming sequences.

NooNoo

August 13th, 2002, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by a d e p t
:p

Since gaining the initiative isn't quite in your grasp yet,

The master of understatement strikes again.....

Matridom

August 13th, 2002, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by a d e p t
:p

Was Ne5 one of the moves you were considering, Noonoo?

It might seem tame in comparison to other options, but it would place your knight in an excellent spot to cover either "hotspot" currently in progress.

Since gaining the initiative isn't quite in your grasp yet, developping more pieces into the middle area would be an investment in the upcoming sequences.

it is one of the moves that was considred.. No matter how we worked it out, you got a pawn to the back row...

The more i looked at it, the more i feel that moving the knight is a good choice.. the debate was where.

Poseidon

August 13th, 2002, 02:12 PM

Is there an updated pic somewhere?

cc_penguin

August 13th, 2002, 06:16 PM

The main page is updated Poseidon, NooNoo hasnt decided on her next move yet

Stalemate

August 13th, 2002, 07:33 PM

[GLOATING MODE ON]

Let me get this straight...

The concentrated efforts of 6 brains:
Noonoo
Matridom
Poseidon
cc_penguin
Danger
...and myself on occasion

...can't come up with a way to kick my butt?! :p

I'm even explaining all of my moves and giving away my strategies!

Maybe if I got some "help" too we could even this out... :rolleyes:

[GLOATING MODE OFF]

Sorry about that - must have been my evil twin or something. :D

The smilies make it all right, don't they?

Poseidon

August 13th, 2002, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by a d e p t
[GLOATING MODE ON]

Let me get this straight...

The concentrated efforts of 6 brains:
Noonoo
Matridom
Poseidon
cc_penguin
Danger
...and myself on occasion

...can't come up with a way to kick my butt?! :p

I'm even explaining all of my moves and giving away my strategies!

Maybe if I got some "help" too we could even this out... :rolleyes:

[GLOATING MODE OFF]

Sorry about that - must have been my evil twin or something. :D

The smilies make it all right, don't they?

:D I've been watching, but only offered advise once or twice. . :P

Danger

August 14th, 2002, 03:50 AM

I personally like Knight to f4

but this is primarily because it compliments my style of play. I doubt that its the best move in your situation.

Assuming you do move there, here is a possibly outcome. This isn't the only way it could work, so you'll have to branch off the other possibilities.

B. Nf4
W. e7
B. Rg8
W. d7
B. Rg1
W. rg1 or rd1
B. rg1, rh1, or rd1

If after you move the Knight to f4, Adept responds with d7, Ne6 is an option

If you choose to move your Knight to e5, you should still be able to play it out like I described above.

Your not presently in a very good situation. the best thing you can do is try to get Adept to respond to your moves, instead of vice versa. Right now he's dictating the course of the game, and moving on his own time. You presently stuck in a situation where you HAVE to respond to what he does. Thats why I like Nf4. It puts the pressure on several of his pieces, which give you some initiative. It would also, in all likelyhood, end up with a massive amount of trading. which could be good, or bad, depending on the ending positions of your pieces. What I don't like about the scenario I've presented is that it will make it more difficult to get your pawn to the other side of the board (Queen). Nor does it eliminate the threat of Adepts pawns altogether. It's closer to prolonging the situation then resolving it. But it does also present the possibility of relieving some of the pressure on your side of the board by pulling his rook at d2 away. Whether or not what I've suggested turns out in your favor relies heavily on whether the ending positions of your pieces (after all the trading) is such that you will be able to prevent those pawns from becoming Queens, or take them after they would do so. Another way it could turn out in your favor is if you can keep the White King in a perpetual 'check'.

This is a very sticky situation.

You can also try this g***** and move your Knight to E7. This will most likely end up looking like this

B. Ne7
W. e7
B. Re8
W. Rd8
B. Rg8

*Edit: I had in my mind 'moved' this piece, but now realise I hadn't doen so here. Moving the Night to E7 relies on your already having moved your king. Something you may not be able to do...*

Which in my oppinion is not a favorable turn of events, although being down a knight is better than him being up a Queen. But on top of your being down a Knight your overall strategic position on the board will have deteriorated if you choose this route. However it is an option (not one I think I would choose)

To be totally honest, I don't like any of these moves very much at all. but I see few other options...

Once again, good luck

cc_penguin

August 14th, 2002, 07:33 AM

Originally posted by a d e p t
[GLOATING MODE ON]

Let me get this straight...

The concentrated efforts of 6 brains:
Noonoo
Matridom
Poseidon
cc_penguin
Danger
...and myself on occasion

...can't come up with a way to kick my butt?! :p

I'm even explaining all of my moves and giving away my strategies!

Maybe if I got some "help" too we could even this out... :rolleyes:

[GLOATING MODE OFF]

Sorry about that - must have been my evil twin or something. :D

The smilies make it all right, don't they?

Who said I was concentrating??? I never helped out in either direction :D :p :D

Stalemate

August 14th, 2002, 10:55 AM

Heh-heh-heh! :D

I almost forgot to add in DiR and Draggar to the list (they were there at the beginning), but they were mostly spectating like Posseidon and cc_penguin. :D

On the other hand, this "Danger" person seems increasingly... dangerous! :eek:

"Dangerous" - get it? :p

NooNoo

August 15th, 2002, 07:41 AM

No comments on the number of "brains" up against you Adept, however suffice to say, if you are teaching your son, the best way to ensure he will actually want to play is for you to lose occasionally :D

As for Dangers advice - it seems very good to me! not at all dangerous!

anywhooooooo Nf4

http://ftb.dns2go.com/chess29.jpg

Stalemate

August 15th, 2002, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by NooNoo
No comments on the number of "brains" up against you Adept, however suffice to say, if you are teaching your son, the best way to ensure he will actually want to play is for you to lose occasionally :D

As for Dangers advice - it seems very good to me! not at all dangerous!...

Maybe I am being a bit too "enthusiastic", considering this is a tutorial, and I know I'm being overly cocky, but there's no way I'm going to make this any easier for you. :p

Danger seems like a fine tactician and I think he's a definite plus to the counselling you're already getting - I'm just being petty and jealous that I'm haven't had received any help from these guys... :(

Just kidding around! I do hope you're still enjoying this and learning something from all the comments though. I'm having a lot of fun with this tutorial match personally and would hate to see that I was making you feel uncomfortable.

29w. e7

Reason:
I'll leave the choice of the next move up to you for now and see what happens. I know I'm playing into Danger's plan at present (pun not intended ;)), but it's the most interesting move to make. It's worth sacrificing my bishop at h3 for a shot at promoting a pawn.

PS - Actually, I've been playing with my son a few times now and he seems to be developping his own tactics and strategies without any help from me. It's getting that I have to think carefully before I make a move or else I end up paying for my overconfidence. He hasn't beat me yet, but I cant tell he's got a knack for it and I'll see if I can use this game to help him out. I'm so proud! :cool:

Main page pic updated - white perspective

NooNoo

August 15th, 2002, 12:27 PM

OK, e7 was predicted... as is Rook G8

http://ftb.dns2go.com/chess30.jpg

Where next Adept? :D

Stalemate

August 15th, 2002, 04:37 PM

Tip: When noting a move where equivalent pieces could be moved, it is suggested to specify which piece is used by specifying it's file (or rank) of origin (http://www.redweb.com/chess/notation.htm). ;)

Therefore, move 29b. could be written as Rdg8]/b] (or R8g8).

30w. Bxg2

[b]Reason:
I'm deviating a bit from the prescribed course of action to see which "theater of operations" you'll consider your priority. I'm risking the loss of initiative, but hoping to regain any lost momentum in the coming action.

NooNoo

August 15th, 2002, 07:15 PM

Tempting... but I think I will wait to see what Danger has to say!

Stalemate

August 15th, 2002, 08:36 PM

He is pretty good, isn't he? ;)

Whatever happened to Matridom? :confused:

I'd give you some hints myself, but I'm not sure if I could be completely impartial... :p

Matridom

August 15th, 2002, 08:55 PM

I'm still around.. i was out for most of the day, and NooNoo get's her hints from me mainly in chat. I do try to post whenever i can though. Now.. I need to think something up before NooNoo wakes up :D

Matridom

August 15th, 2002, 09:07 PM

Originally posted by a d e p t
Tip: When noting a move where equivalent pieces could be moved, it is suggested to specify which piece is used by specifying it's file (or rank) of origin (http://www.redweb.com/chess/notation.htm). ;)

Therefore, move 29b. could be written as Rdg8]/b] (or R8g8).

30w. Bxg2

[b]Reason:
I'm deviating a bit from the prescribed course of action to see which "theater of operations" you'll consider your priority. I'm risking the loss of initiative, but hoping to regain any lost momentum in the coming action.

a move we went over...

3 choices are offered...

take the bishop with the... pawn, Rook or knight.

xg2 ... This move will allow the pawn to threaten the rook, forcing adept to move the rook (something that he wants to do, it's useless where it is)

Kxg2 ... This move will move the knight away from the conflict that is about to erupt on the #8 row, NooNoo already has little power there, this move would knock it out even more.

Rxg2 ... This move removes all stops on adepts attempts at the elustrious #8 row..

All in All i think the xg2 move is the least damaging...

Danger

August 16th, 2002, 02:26 AM

I concur with Matridom

nuff said ;)

NooNoo

August 16th, 2002, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by Matridom

Rxg2 ... This move removes all stops on adepts attempts at the elustrious #8 row..

All in All i think the xg2 move is the least damaging...

Rxg2.... I am having a problem working out how I get a Rook to take the bishop at g2... :confused: :confused:

But I fancy taking the bishop with the pawn too :D

cc_penguin

August 16th, 2002, 11:42 AM

Originally posted by NooNoo

Rxg2.... I am having a problem working out how I get a Rook to take the bishop at g2... :confused: :confused:

But I fancy taking the bishop with the pawn too :D
If you were to do that, then when he moves his pawn down (e7-e8) to "Queen" it, you would have to move your king, then end up loosing your rook.....

NooNoo

August 16th, 2002, 06:11 PM

Originally posted by cc_penguin

If you were to do that, then when he moves his pawn down (e7-e8) to "Queen" it, you would have to move your king, then end up loosing your rook.....

Penguin, why can I not just take his new queen with my rook? Or are you assuming that something else is gonna happen?

cc_penguin

August 16th, 2002, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by NooNoo

Penguin, why can I not just take his new queen with my rook? Or are you assuming that something else is gonna happen?

Looking back at the board and the possible moves and what I posted earlier...... I honestly can say.... I dont have the foggiest idea what I was thinking.....

Danger

August 17th, 2002, 04:17 AM

Originally posted by NooNoo

Rxg2.... I am having a problem working out how I get a Rook to take the bishop at g2... :confused: :confused:

But I fancy taking the bishop with the pawn too :D

The rook at g8 could be moved to g2, but then the '8' row would no longer be gaurded. this is what cc_penguin was originally refering to. once you take the bishop, your rook on the '8' row will now longer be able to take the new queen. This because it would then be at g2

:thumbs:

Stalemate

August 17th, 2002, 10:24 AM

I'm partial also to Nxg2 myself, as it would then threaten the pawn at h4 and be a definite thorn in my side, so to speak.

But xg2 may offer a possibility of promotion, so...

NooNoo

August 17th, 2002, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by a d e p t
I'm partial also to Nxg2 myself, as it would then threaten the pawn at h4 and be a definite thorn in my side, so to speak.

But xg2 may offer a possibility of promotion, so...

OK I thunk and I thunk and I cannot see an advantage to the move Nxg2 - care to elaborate?

NooNoo

August 18th, 2002, 05:37 AM

well anyway pawn takes bishop xg2

http://ftb.dns2go.com/chess31.jpg

Stalemate

August 19th, 2002, 09:23 AM

Sorry about not replying to your last comment before you could post.

All-in-all, I've looked at the situation some more and think that your last move was the best on in the current situation. ;)

31w. Rg1

Reason:
Just preventing your promotion, covering my bases and losing the initiative... :rolleyes:

Stalemate

August 20th, 2002, 10:49 AM

^bump^

:D

NooNoo

August 20th, 2002, 11:48 AM

I have a move I like, just unable to check my thinking with Mat, he seems to have vanished...

Danger, if you are around?

Stalemate

August 20th, 2002, 12:57 PM

No hurry.

I just wanted to keep it on page 1 of the Tech Lounge. ;)

Stalemate

August 23rd, 2002, 02:21 PM

This thread was all the way back on page 3! :eek:

^bump^ :p

NooNoo

August 23rd, 2002, 04:08 PM

No one is helping me out here Adept sooo Hypothetically mind you and with my finger firmly still on the piece... what do you think of King C8 ?

Poseidon

August 23rd, 2002, 04:12 PM

Just curious as to your thoughts for that move NooNoo. If your pic is current, then moving your King for a chance to take the pawn will be thwarted by the castle. :confused:

NooNoo

August 23rd, 2002, 04:19 PM

Aaah finally!

Well its about making it difficult, or less attractive for him to get that queen now... to be honest I have run about 20 scenarious - once he gets the queen game over in 4 - 10 moves depending.

Poseidon

August 23rd, 2002, 04:26 PM

NooNoo, which pic is current / correct - yours on this page or a d e p t's on the first post?

You know, sometimes the best defense is a good offense.

NooNoo

August 23rd, 2002, 04:28 PM

My pic is missing adepts last move only.

Wanna PM me?

Stalemate

August 24th, 2002, 10:28 AM

Main page pic updated from the perspective of white side.

NooNoo

August 24th, 2002, 10:43 AM

well on discussion with Poseidon (anyone know where matridom got to?)

Ne6

http://ftb.dns2go.com/chess32.jpg

Stalemate

August 24th, 2002, 11:35 AM

Matridom's been missing for some time now. :confused:

Maybe he's still on vacation...

32w. d7

Reason:
Putting the pressure on rank 8 and pulling you away from the possibility of promoting your own pawn on file G. File D is getting more attention now.

Poseidon

August 24th, 2002, 01:38 PM

Vacation, what is that? You mean some of the people in the WD community have time to take a vacation? :D

a d e p t it looks like you may get your Queen back, but she will be short lived LOL

NooNoo

August 24th, 2002, 01:47 PM

Poseidon, your mailbox is full, I can I question your advice? :D :D

Matridom

August 25th, 2002, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by a d e p t
Matridom's been missing for some time now. :confused:

Maybe he's still on vacation...

32w. d7

Reason:
Putting the pressure on rank 8 and pulling you away from the possibility of promoting your own pawn on file G. File D is getting more attention now.

Vacation... yes, and what a wonderfull time i had.. NO phones, NO computers, NO TV and no other electronics..

NooNoo, for the record.. if you check your logs from the 18th...

[11:57] <Matridom> well, I'm outa here, catch ya folks next week
[11:58] <Kedrin> later mat
[11:58] <Exxy> have fun Matridom
[11:58] <Matridom> I'll make sure and bring back some nice camping pics.. rub it in all your faces ;)
[11:58] <weck> i only wanna see pics if you git mauled by a bear
[11:58] <Matridom> ait, i'm gone.

/me absently scratchs a musquito bite while pondering NooNoo's problem

Well, i don't see anything that does not end in check mate withing 5 moves..

Adept, any tips on a way out of your trap? I see some possibilities if you make a mistake or two, but you've been playing too well to stumble into those..

Kb2.... get ready to run