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Sowulo

February 18th, 2002, 02:02 PM

[quote]Originally posted by AbSoLuTeZeR0:
i think its good.

to many stupid kids and stupid adults now.

i remember when i was like 12 i would go with my friend and rent all the faces of death movies, the chick behind the counter didnt care.

when i was a kid the only real voilent video game was mortal kombat , the first one.<hr></blockquote>

When I was a kid (50's and 60's) we all played 'Cops and Robbers'; 'Cowboys and Indians'; and 'Army'. All of our games were about violence, we dug pits for booby traps in the woods and set out blackberry cane snares, etc. Things haven't changed, things aren't worse, we've just changed our views about what's acceptible and pay a lot more attention to the things we deem socially unacceptable.....We would all do well to just quit worrying so much and especially quit pointing fingers and playing the blame game on parents and teachers. When you were little, was it possible for your parents to know everything you did? Of course not! We never did anything bad but we sure made the effort to keep things from our parents.....

cc_penguin

February 18th, 2002, 02:07 PM

[quote]Originally posted by cleetus:


Not according to the bill. If you follow the bill it is a scientific fact that seeing blood in a game will cause a youth to be criminally violent. They state it as a fact that video game violence leads to RL violence. When was this agreed upon?<hr></blockquote>

To my understanding, the bill hasnt been passed yet, its just up for reveiw.

KINGofBLEH

February 18th, 2002, 02:14 PM

[quote]Originally posted by cleetus:
It scares me with the lengths the people in this nation will go to in order not to have to admit that they are failing as parents.<hr></blockquote>

AMEN Cleetus. This bill will do nothing to slow down the sales of violent video games to children. Instead, like prohibition, it will probably make the problem worse and increase the sale of violent games to minors.

MacGyver

February 18th, 2002, 02:47 PM

Yet another useless law that will never be enforced. We can't even enforce the laws that we have.

Quiet Thunder

February 18th, 2002, 03:38 PM

It seems all this blame on video games, rap music, and ect... are all just a scape goat for parents who don't want to accecpt the blame where blame is due. The blame is almost always deserving of the parents for allowing the kids to get away with such attitudes, and other times belongs the children for making such horrible decisions. I'm sorry, but when I go out and play Doom, it dosn't make me want to get a plasma gun and blow up some crazed floating head. Get real.

x_789

February 18th, 2002, 03:48 PM

More laws to prevent bad parents try spaiding and nutering these idiot parents who cant monitor there kids

Fubarian

February 18th, 2002, 04:27 PM

[quote]Originally posted by cc_penguin:
Seems there is a bill to be passed in Georia to make it a misdemeanor to sell violent games to a minor. What are your thoughts, good or bad??<hr></blockquote>

bad. I grew up on the shoot 'em up, blow 'em up, bomb the hell of out 'em, is your or them kind of video games-- and still play them today (counterstrike anyone?)...I watched all the violent cartoons (tom and jerry rule) but I did know the difference between whats real and whats not. This is just making it easier on the parents to be lazy.

[NeoZeeD]

February 18th, 2002, 05:52 PM

its good for stupid kids wont buy the gamez and try to blow everyone away.

but its up to the parents to raise the dam kid.

when i was in grammmer school my dad took me to see horror flicks at the movies, he even rented some horror flicks for i could watch. but i didnt go out and wanna kill people. i was just scared sh*tless at night

my parents where there and still are there for me and they give me WUUUUV :D

so i guess thats why im not a serial killer now.

*SlyVenom*

February 18th, 2002, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by Evil Cabbage

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ilovetheusers

February 18th, 2002, 09:18 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Sowulo:


When I was a kid (50's and 60's) we all played 'Cops and Robbers'; 'Cowboys and Indians'; and 'Army'. All of our games were about violence, we dug pits for booby traps in the woods and set out blackberry cane snares, etc. Things haven't changed, things aren't worse, we've just changed our views about what's acceptible and pay a lot more attention to the things we deem socially unacceptable.....We would all do well to just quit worrying so much and especially quit pointing fingers and playing the blame game on parents and teachers. When you were little, was it possible for your parents to know everything you did? Of course not! We never did anything bad but we sure made the effort to keep things from our parents.....<hr></blockquote>

Ditto.

I had a rotten childhood and played every violent game, saw every violent movie and I am quite fine (well mostly). I have not killed, raped or maimed anyone. People do the things they do because they are stupid, insane, double y chromes, or the biggest one - they actually made the decision to do something wrong and violent themselves outside influences be damned. I've seen plenty of neanderthals do lots of stupid things and in the end everything they did was up to them and they made a choice to do something wrong/violent.

Video games are just another way for lousy politicians to get a few extra votes in the elections. People just eat up anything that they can point a finger at, truth be damned. Its the same thing with drugs. The drug didn't make anyone rob, or harm anyone, the person made the decision to do that. Politicians just harp on the end result and scapegoat a substance and people as always eat up anything that they can blame, wag a finger at and let them say - see - it was the fault of that thing not you, that thing made you do it. It’s the devil made me do it syndrome. Nobody ever wants to recognize the fact that we are responsible for our own actions in the end and the thing that we see and hear are only minor influences upon the real decisions we make in our lives. It's just another way to shirk responsibility, nothing more.

Quiet Thunder

February 18th, 2002, 09:43 PM

[quote]Originally posted by ilovetheusers:
 The drug didn't make anyone rob, or harm anyone, the person made the decision to do that.<hr></blockquote>

I almost fully agree with that statement. I do think that there are times when the person is so strung out that they'll do anything to get their next fix. Yes, they made the decision, but they were acting under duress. The only reason they don't get any sympathy from me, is that they put themselves in a situation where they would lose controll of their bodies. That's why I stay away from drugs. I'm too afraid of losing control of my self.

Sowulo

February 18th, 2002, 09:51 PM

[quote]Originally posted by ilovetheusers:


Ditto.

I had a rotten childhood and played every violent game, saw every violent movie and I am quite fine (well mostly). I have not killed, raped or maimed anyone. People do the things they do because they are stupid, insane, double y chromes, or the biggest one - they actually made the decision to do something wrong and violent themselves outside influences be damned. I've seen plenty of neanderthals do lots of stupid things and in the end everything they did was up to them and they made a choice to do something wrong/violent.

Video games are just another way for lousy politicians to get a few extra votes in the elections. People just eat up anything that they can point a finger at, truth be damned. Its the same thing with drugs. The drug didn't make anyone rob, or harm anyone, the person made the decision to do that. Politicians just harp on the end result and scapegoat a substance and people as always eat up anything that they can blame, wag a finger at and let them say - see - it was the fault of that thing not you, that thing made you do it. It’s the devil made me do it syndrome. Nobody ever wants to recognize the fact that we are responsible for our own actions in the end and the thing that we see and hear are only minor influences upon the real decisions we make in our lives. It's just another way to shirk responsibility, nothing more.<hr></blockquote>

Amen bro! And speaking as one who used to do emergency crisis interventions with families who had teens involved with chemicals, violent behaviors, gangs, self-abuse, satanic occult......Yes, parents have some influence but not nearly as much as all the 'holier-than-thou' responses we've had on this topic. Blaming the parenting is just another effort to point fingers and every bit as repugnant to anyone who has worked with kids involved in these activities I've mentioned. There's a good chance that most of you who are so sure the parenting is to blame have never even raised kids all the way to adulthood. The only positive value I learned from my parents is a strong work ethic....everything else I had to figure out for myself.

crazyman

February 18th, 2002, 10:12 PM

[quote]Originally posted by cc_penguin:
Seems there is a bill to be passed in Georia to make it a misdemeanor to sell violent games to a minor. What are your thoughts, good or bad??

Oh, almost forgot <a href="http://www.legis.state.ga.us/Legis/2001_02/versions/hb1378_LC_19_5388_a_2.htm" target="_blank">the link </a>...<hr></blockquote>

well I let my nine and eleven year old kids play UT and Q3,and it does not make them go out and do a Columbine,
I think it's up to the parents to give their kids guidance and talk to them about this stuff(which I do),
I think that if a kid goes out and does violent acts in real life,a video game is not to blame,there is gonna be more deeply rooted problems existing before the game was played.
and then you have to look at the parents.
I do believe I am responsible for my kids.
there is my .02. :)

ilovetheusers

February 18th, 2002, 10:26 PM

Sowulo

February 18th, 2002, 10:48 PM

[quote]Originally posted by ilovetheusers:


Gonna have to start me a Sowulo ditohead club or somethin'.<hr></blockquote>

;) ;)

crazyman

February 18th, 2002, 10:52 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Sowulo:


Amen bro! And speaking as one who used to do emergency crisis interventions with families who had teens involved with chemicals, violent behaviors, gangs, self-abuse, satanic occult......Yes, parents have some influence but not nearly as much as all the 'holier-than-thou' responses we've had on this topic. Blaming the parenting is just another effort to point fingers and every bit as repugnant to anyone who has worked with kids involved in these activities I've mentioned. There's a good chance that most of you who are so sure the parenting is to blame have never even raised kids all the way to adulthood. The only positive value I learned from my parents is a strong work ethic....everything else I had to figure out for myself.<hr></blockquote>

damn!@ I am really sorry to hear that so many of you had rotten childhoods,but I did'nt and alot of people did'nt,I had a great childhood,and I thank my parents for alot of life stuff they taught me.and I still tell my dad that often,that I think he did a good job.
I do not think I am holier than thou,I do feel I can speak of parenting,my kids are good kids,I am sorry to hear that you did'nt get anything good from your parents but work ethic,but some of us got more out of growing up with good parents than you did.not all are like you,damn !and yes,I do believe that the parents share the responsibility for how their children turn out,I disagree with you.and I am not pointing fingers without knowing what I am talking about.your way is not the only way.I am offended by your remarks,just because YOU have issues,does not mean we all do!some of us ARE good parents and I will happily take a large responsibility for my kids and how they grow up.children are largely a product of their environment,at the same time,I as an adult have learned alot about life by myself and others beides my parents too.I have alot of both my parents in me,and I take the good and the bad of that and put it to good use.
you sir,are NOT right about everything,like you think you are.you are just another person online,you're a forum moderator,not a god.

and yes I agree,it should be up to the parents as to what their kids do.if the kids are minors then yes.some of us parents pay attention to our kids.

Poseidon

February 18th, 2002, 11:01 PM

I just want to clarify my earlier post.

I am not 100% blaming parents in regards to their kid's violent behavior. It has a number of factors, including but not limited to, parenting, enviroment, peers, etc.

All I'm saying is that back on topic I believe it should be up to the parents whether or not to allow their kids to buy /rent violent video games; not a law.

*SlyVenom*

February 18th, 2002, 11:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by SlyVenom:
Originally posted by Evil Cabbage

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WebHead

February 18th, 2002, 11:55 PM

I say give the kids their games. But the parents should play the games with their kids instead of letting their kids sit in their rooms all night in the dark by themselves being influenced by life-like shooting experiences.

NeuromancerIV

February 19th, 2002, 01:03 AM

I agree, stupid parents breed stupid kids...You're the damn parents SO PARENT!!

But no no...the cause of violence is the industry not policing the stores selling the games...so lets have the govt do it for us!! If you don't like violent games, here's a radical idea! don't buy em!, don't let your kids buy em!, get involved in your kids interests more! ***if you don't know if your kid(s) collects guns or tortures animals or is having trouble coping in school you're not paying attention, you are obviously living in a fantasy world hoping the schools and teachers will raise your children*** , the damn tv and game console are NOT baby-sitters!, write letters to company exec's!, boycott the companies making the games!..just don't get the ham fisted, reactionary govt involved...sheesh. Are we so stupid we can't even take responsibility for anything anymore, must we be spoon fed reality and easy fix solutions now?

and if your kids have severe problems talk to them! get them counseling if needed, problems dont magically suddenly appear any more so, than they'll disappear!

man i really should get more than 3 hours of sleep before posting..

Sowulo

February 19th, 2002, 02:45 AM

[quote]Originally posted by crazyman:


damn!@ I am really sorry to hear that so many of you had rotten childhoods,but I did'nt and alot of people did'nt,I had a great childhood,and I thank my parents for alot of life stuff they taught me.and I still tell my dad that often,that I think he did a good job.
I do not think I am holier than thou,I do feel I can speak of parenting,my kids are good kids,I am sorry to hear that you did'nt get anything good from your parents but work ethic,but some of us got more out of growing up with good parents than you did.not all are like you,damn !and yes,I do believe that the parents share the responsibility for how their children turn out,I disagree with you.and I am not pointing fingers without knowing what I am talking about.your way is not the only way.I am offended by your remarks,just because YOU have issues,does not mean we all do!some of us ARE good parents and I will happily take a large responsibility for my kids and how they grow up.children are largely a product of their environment,at the same time,I as an adult have learned alot about life by myself and others beides my parents too.I have alot of both my parents in me,and I take the good and the bad of that and put it to good use.
you sir,are NOT right about everything,like you think you are.you are just another person online,you're a forum moderator,not a god.

and yes I agree,it should be up to the parents as to what their kids do.if the kids are minors then yes.some of us parents pay attention to our kids.<hr></blockquote>

I'm sorry you were offended. Truly. If you reread my comment, the real focus is that I have experience as a counselor dealing with families with some severely messed up kids. I've dealt with kids that have attempted murder, raped younger sisters, sold rat poison as crack, etc., etc. In most cases these families had other kids who were well behaved, doing well in school, etc. My point in mentioning my own upbringing and acknowledging ILovetheUsers' is that the vast, vast majority of kids grow up without any serious social/emotional disfunctions regardless of how wonderful or horrible their parenting was. What makes one kid get into serious trouble when another doesn't (especially from the same family)? No one really knows. Professionals don't know but they do know that peer pressure is immense and kids do things within the context of a peer-group that they would never do otherwise....

I happened to see this discussed by young teens, their parents, and some clinical psychologists today on Oprah (hadn't seen that show in years). The parents were pretty shocked to see film of their kids in action at school....As parents, as much as we'd like to believe we have control, the fact is we just don't. We can love our kids, spend time with them, be supportive, all that good stuff and hopefully they'll turn out great but there are never any guarantees. We all do the best we can.

Hopefully, good parenting will improve the odds but it just doesn't help to point fingers at parenting when something goes wrong. The facts just don't support the hypothesis.

According to the Bible Adam and Eve had two sons, Cain and Abel. Do we assume that because Cain killed Abel that Adam and Eve had really poor parenting skills? Or, acknowledge that Cain, like everyone else who has ever lived had his own mind and exercised his own God-given freewill and should be held responsible for his own actions. Did God hold Adam and Eve (notwithstanding that they are the ones who introduced sin by eating of the tree of knowledge) responsible for Cain's actions or did he just punish Cain?

According to the judicial system of the two states I have lived in (and helped write some of those laws in Washington in the early 90's), Parents are only held responsible for the actions of their kids to the degree that they knew or reasonably suspected the criminal actions of their children and did not make a reasonable effort to stop them. These parents can and are held responsible but these cases are very rare.

Again, most of the time we just don't know and pointing fingers doesn't solve anything: doing so just let's the rest of us feel superior.

EvilCabbage

February 19th, 2002, 08:15 AM

Coooool.. i got quoted, twice. I rule.

Im hung like a horse too ladies.... that is, hairy with floppy ears.. but back on track.

The problem here, is that the censors are trying to do the job of crap parents. I crawled all over the Australian censorship mob when they decided to ban GTA3, and after the protest of many, many people, its back on our shelves.

If a child plays a wrestling video game, then goes and breaks his arm, they should break his other arm, and beat the snot out of the parents for raising such a friggin moron.

Cabbage out.

Cleetus

February 19th, 2002, 08:29 AM

I agree with both parties here. Yes, I do feel that parents hold the largest majority of responsiblity when raising a child. They are the PARENTS, they are around all the time, and can shape that child in any given way. I also agree that a child that has the greatest parents can go bad.
The problem is enacting silly laws to ban games, censor movies, blah, blah, blah, to "save the children", scapegoats are being made for solid family life. Notice, I did not use the catch-all "family values", whatever that really means.

I watched the parents around a tennis tournament that my girlfriend managed this last weekend. Watching these parents, I got a good idea why we keep getting all these laws. Complete refusal to admit that their kid might be a)a bad athlete, b) a horrible sport, c)be wrong. I spent three years as a t-ball umpire, and I saw more than I needed to there as well.

In the end, we need to just let kids be kids. Let them ride a bike without full battle armor. Let them play war, get dirty, run amock. But also, don't forget to teach them discipline and a respect for those around them(notice once again I will not use "family values".

Of course I could be completly wrong and off in my opinions, I don't plan on ever having children.

Draggar

February 19th, 2002, 08:45 AM

[quote]Originally posted by cleetus:

In the end, we need to just let kids be kids. Let them ride a bike without full battle armor. Let them play war, get dirty, run amock. But also, don't forget to teach them discipline and a respect for those around them(notice once again I will not use "family values".

Of course I could be completly wrong and off in my opinions, I don't plan on ever having children.<hr></blockquote>

I second that!
Nothing proves this than the "Hockey Dad Trial".

Last year, in NJ we had at least 3 brawls break out at YOUTH (grammar school) soccer games, because the parent's were upset at a call.

How do you think a child that young (some as young as 5), having your parents telling you to behave and respect people, while they're starting a brawl because the ref called a foul on you, and it was something you knew you did wrong?

Of course, parents nowadays are even afraid to touch their children. With DYFUS, a child can call and they'll come beating down the door on the "bad parents".

My sister-in-law called them when she was 8 because her paren't wouldn't let her go to a movie on a school night. They came, and it was a nightmare for her parents.
Some kids know this, and they take advantage of it. (Don't get me wrong, DYFUS can be a great organization if they pay attention to where they're really needed!).

Parents became soft because they didn't want to spank their kids like thier parents did to them, this letting the kid get away with murder.

Teach the kids respect, honor, and humility.

Danrak

February 19th, 2002, 08:59 AM

I grew up like most people playing cops and robbers, and other so called violent games by todays standards. I watched G.I. Joe, transformers and other so called violent cartoons. I played video games that are considered violent by todays standards. I've never brought a gun to school, or wanted too. I don't think I'm a violent person. I don't go around hurting people or animals for fun, in fact I can't remember the last time i purposely hurt someone or a animal. I also think it is wrong to blame one group for a kids behavor. All this blame the music the kids listen too, blame the video games, blame the teachers stuff is wrong. Parents have the strongest influance on their kids. Take a look what happened in my area over the weekend. A 7 year old kid got into a acident with his parents car. Where was the parents? Well the dad was drunk (had a 1.04 blood alchohol level, limit in fl is .08) in the seat next to him. The kid was driving at night with no headlights and ran a stop sign and hit a brand new car. The father plainly admited that he let the kid drive the car around when the kid done something good as a reward. Now the kid has a driving record (they gave the kid tickets), and hasn't even gotten his driving license yet.

RIOT

February 19th, 2002, 10:14 AM

I just wanted to comment that when I purchased Fallout Tactics back in January at Target (in southwest Indiana), I had to show my driver's license to the checkout lady. (I'm currently 21.) She entered my ID number in the register and continued ringing up the purchase. The entire time this is happening, my wife is looking at me wondering what type of game I'm buying :D . That was the first time that I had ever had to present an ID for buying a game.

Somewhat off topic, I like a feature that Blockbuster has. When you sign up for an account, you can get a card for your kid so he/she can rent movies. The feature is that you (the parent) can put a restriction on what movies (and I assume games) the child can rent by ratings. Of course, a lot of ratings I may not agree with, but as a parent I would get to make the final decision.

I also played army, war, etc. as a kid. My brother and I would actually have briefings on our missions and would complete them accordily. No wonder he joined the real Army, and I almost did. While we may have played violently, neither of us commited a violent act against another person unless we were defending ourselves. My parents taught me at a very early age that fighting or violence from anger/envy/whatever towards another person is not acceptable. I find is funny now that I was taught this through a spanking after beating up my brother :D .

Danrak

February 19th, 2002, 12:36 PM

[quote]Originally posted by CW_WD_RIOT:
I find is funny now that I was taught this through a spanking after beating up my brother :D .<hr></blockquote>

Thats another thing. You spank your kid and you go to jail. Now I do understand some people take it a bit far, but just for a simple spanking you can go to jail. I learned a lot of lessons through spankings. The kids know today that if their parrents spank them they can call the cops and have them thrown in jail.

Also speaking of being ID for stuff. I still get ID'd when I buy stuff like fuel injection cleaner for my car. The reason, because people under the age of 18 sniff the stuff. Hmmm.... Does that mean if your over 18 it is ok to sniff it?

RIOT

February 19th, 2002, 02:38 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Danrak:
Hmmm.... Does that mean if your over 18 it is ok to sniff it?<hr></blockquote>

:D LOL :D

ilovetheusers

February 20th, 2002, 12:19 AM

[quote]Originally posted by crazyman:
damn!@ I am really sorry to hear that so many of you had rotten childhoods,but I did'nt and alot of people did'nt,I had a great childhood,and I thank my parents for alot of life stuff they taught me.and I still tell my dad that often,that I think he did a good job. and I am not pointing fingers without knowing what I am talking about.your way is not the only way .

Glad to hear it. Good for you.

I do not think I am holier than thou,I do feel I can speak of parenting,my kids are good kids,I am sorry to hear that you did'nt get anything good from your parents but work ethic,but some of us got more out of growing up with good parents than you did.not all are like you,damn !and yes,I do believe that the parents share the responsibility for how their children turn out,I disagree with you.

I see your point to some extent but it's obvious that you must have good children. I happy that you were able to raise yours well, but as there is no discernable formula for the perfect child it leaves many of us out in the cold. So if I have awful children am I to be blamed for things they do despite my best efforts? If I do have to pay for my childs actions later on can I blame it on my father or mother? How about his/her father or mother? Perhaps I could dig up the corpse of Lucy (skeleton of the original hominids found in the rift valley) and blame her for all of the problems that I face in my daily life? Sorry to be a smartass but I trying to prove a point. How far does blame go?

We do the things we do because we choose to do them. The great American past time of late seems to be to find a way to blame someone else for personal decisions. “I didn’t mean to kill that lady in cold blood for drug money, I’m a product of my environment.” Or, “My boy shot himself because he listened to Judas Priest.” Bullsh1t. Bullsh1t. Bullsh1t.

I am offended by your remarks,just because YOU have issues,does not mean we all do!some of us ARE good parents and I will happily take a large responsibility for my kids and how they grow up.

No one is trying to offend you. We just have different opinions.

children are largely a product of their environment,at the same time,I as an adult have learned alot about life by myself and others beides my parents too.I have alot of both my parents in me,and I take the good and the bad of that and put it to good use.

Hate to tell you but studies I see in the news everyday point more and more towards genetics being the key to almost everything. We have found genes for intelligence, proclivities for addictiveness, and even emotion (anger specifically) as well as several other things. This terrifies me at the same time as thrilling me with the future potential for the human species.

Now I’m not saying that everything is running on instinct. You are right in saying that we are largely products of our environments. But, what environment? From home or society? I would argue that in many (if not most) places that what your peers think is more often more important to a person that what your parents think. Or, at least they are when a decision on whether or not to do a particular thing at the spur of the moment.
On your later comments I fully agree.

you sir,are NOT right about everything,like you think you are.you are just another person online,you're a forum moderator,not a god.

Take a Valium or something.

and yes I agree,it should be up to the parents as to what their kids do.if the kids are minors then yes.some of us parents pay attention to our kids.<hr></blockquote>

In the end we still agree.

Cleetus

February 20th, 2002, 08:37 AM

Hehehehe, kinda getting to where it sounds like the bet in Trading Places. Anyone wanna make a bet.

Cygnus

February 20th, 2002, 09:18 AM

I dont know what to think about that one. If you think about it, Bugs Bunny was deemed "too violent" for kids to view when my parents were young.

Secondly, I dont think its a problem with the games. I think its some mental and family issues with the parents and their kids. I played voilent games all through my childhood(and still do :D ) and most people around me consider me to be a fine, upstanding person that cares about others enough not to harm them. How do I know?? I just asked em all since there all here right now. :D ;)

Smoothstr

February 20th, 2002, 04:33 PM

Does anyone remember the video games Hitler used to play?

crazyman

February 20th, 2002, 05:23 PM

[quote]Originally posted by ilovetheusers:


In the end we still agree.<hr></blockquote>

you make some good points.

I am also glad to see that you read my entire post and took that much time to respond to my thoughts.I mean that.

:)

I also agree with the point that we ARE all different and our differing opinions are a great thing,thats one of the things that makes us who we are.

Gameguru

February 20th, 2002, 05:24 PM

While I feel that there are resposibilities that parents aren't meeting in today's world, I am also of the opinion that some games and movies are only appropriate for older children. Yes, we all grew up and it was different when we were children. There weren't graphics that were life like when I was playing my colecovision. Movies were not as realistic as they are today. On the otherhand, I don't believe that these new movies and games will drive an individual to do some of the things that you see today. There are many variables that I, as a parent, must contend with that my parents did not. I think that the blame cannot lie on one source alone. I feel that the media glorifies the situation for ratings and some younger individuals see this as a chance to be somewhat famous.(15year old flying a stolen plane into the BoA building in Tampa) What it boils down to is that there must be a consious effort with all parties involved(including the childs) to prevent these things from happening.

ilovetheusers

February 20th, 2002, 06:21 PM

[quote]Originally posted by crazyman:


you make some good points.

I am also glad to see that you read my entire post and took that much time to respond to my thoughts.I mean that.

:)

I also agree with the point that we ARE all different and our differing opinions are a great thing,thats one of the things that makes us who we are.<hr></blockquote>

:) :) :)

ilovetheusers

February 20th, 2002, 06:23 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Smoothstr:
Does anyone remember the video games Hitler used to play?<hr></blockquote>

Bill Hicks - RIP

jaskeyjk

February 20th, 2002, 06:26 PM

Government sux, let the parents decide. Don't get me wrong, I love this country...I just hate the government who runs it...If we'd have done things MY way, Bin Laden would have been dead since November (would have made the perfect birthday present)

Tee hee

Bigdog632

February 21st, 2002, 12:38 AM

games dont kill people people kill people
the kids just blame it on the games to try and get out of lengthy jail terms

Bigdog632

February 21st, 2002, 12:40 AM

id think watching barney or teletubbies would do more harm than quake ut or other assorted violent games

Spaceman Spiff

February 21st, 2002, 01:01 AM

I don't understand why people are concerned about violent games that are played by miners. Working in a mine is dangerous enough that spending some time toasting bad guys in Soldier of Fortune or alien critters in Unreal should be thought of as theraputic...a way to reduce stress from the dangers of the job.

Anyway, that's my opinion...

Fubar

February 21st, 2002, 07:30 AM

TV is the real crap. Look at what the kids are watching every day after school. Someone with a gun, someone with martial arts skill or some cartoon super-hero crapola.

Like several have said here already, parents are trying to let TV babysit the kids. I have two young boys, 9 and 12. Its easy to fall into that behaviour.

As far as the games go I don't think they program the kids nearly as much as TV does. For those of you with kids: get a product called TV Allowance. It plugs in the wall and TV plugs into it. You can then setup accounts for the kids and ration how much TV they watch. They get real good, real fast on knowing what is worth watching. And, of course, you can have unused time rollover to the next week if you want, etc, etc.

In closing I want to say that there is a lot of good TV on. History channel, Learning channel, etc. But as parents we have to watch what the kids are doing whether it be games or TV. And some kids can't handle much of either...

Cleetus

February 21st, 2002, 08:29 AM

[quote]Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff:
I don't understand why people are concerned about violent games that are played by miners. Working in a mine is dangerous enough that spending some time toasting bad guys in Soldier of Fortune or alien critters in Unreal should be thought of as theraputic...a way to reduce stress from the dangers of the job.

Anyway, that's my opinion...<hr></blockquote>

So are you saying that miners should or should not be playing DigDug?

jdmba

February 21st, 2002, 09:16 AM

[quote]Originally posted by cc_penguin:
Seems there is a bill to be passed in Georia to make it a misdemeanor to sell violent games to a minor. What are your thoughts, good or bad??

Oh, almost forgot <a href="http://www.legis.state.ga.us/Legis/2001_02/versions/hb1378_LC_19_5388_a_2.htm" target="_blank">the link </a>...<hr></blockquote>

That's an easy one. The difference between today's kids and when I grew up is that my parents taught me right from wrong. If it was a real wrong, I got hit. I have a JD and an MBA now.

On the other hand, today, it is the television, computer, and teacher who is being forced to bear that responsibility through the need of two-income families. Hitting your child is a felony. Neither the TV, Computer, nor Teacher can do this, which is why there is now the need metal detectors in schools.

There should be no ban on what is sold. There should be a ban on negligent parenting.

savagegerbil

February 21st, 2002, 03:34 PM

I grew up playing violent video games and watching violent shows. as a child I watched cartoons such as GI Joe and Transformers which had violence in them every episode. I remember as a teen watching anime such as urotsukidoji and la blue girl.

I am not prone to violence, hatred, and sexual tendancies. I am actually a very caring and kind person who helps out anyone who needs it.

I was raised by a loving parent who tought me it was not right and how to think for myself.

These mindless people who are persuaded by games/TV/movies to do horrible acts are susceptable only because as a child their parents did not teach them the right way to perceive the world and how not to become conditioned to violence.

holy cow, I get so pissed when it comes to the "Lets blame (insert whatever here) for my childs actions" game.

Gimbleman

February 21st, 2002, 03:35 PM

I agree with SOWULO I grew up in the same era playing the same games and doing the same things, parents should be the ones that decide what their children view etc... there are far too many laws today and every bleeding heart liberal moron who bitches enough gets another useless law passed, pretty soon there will be signs reading; "NO" whatever it is you are doing"
Who wants to live in that world, surely not I....
Do what you please so long as it does not harm others or their property.
Also take a long hard look at this campaign reform bill and see how it crushes our first amendment.....once that goes look for a second amendment fight...they can have my gun when it is pried from my cold dead hand!!!!! an officer comes to my home to confiscate my firearms will leave in a body bag! (I am a collector and reloader also a responsible gun owner who defends his rights vehemently)...nuff said y'all...

Cleetus

February 21st, 2002, 03:52 PM

Sorry but a lot of these laws are getting pushed by the right in the name of family values. Attacking Hollywood is from the right, attacking Disney yep from the right, attacking rap yep still the right. All in the name of family values, god save Ashcroft, Bush, Reagan and the Newt.

In The Wind

February 21st, 2002, 05:14 PM

I remember reading that a child learns most everything they will ever learn by the time they are 3 or 4 years old. My personal experience with my kids and other peoples kids is that this is true, what kids learn after that time frame is mainly organization of concepts into functional plans and actions. They expand their knowledge, but without that foundation, little is really "learned". It is during this time frame that you can have a great positive/negative effect on your children. But (there is always a but, right?) when they begin to decide for themselves what they want or want to do, all the best effort in the world does not guarantee they will make the perfect right decision every time. Or for that matter that they will make the bad decision every time. What little influence we have, we as parents should apply it to the good. That is just my opinion. BTW, for a moment I thought I was in a time warp, to the past. No flaming pages, no four letter invectives. Congrats to all, keep it up.