What's the standard op. temp for a 1.1Ghz Duron? The one in the system I'm working on at the moment is running at about 40 degrees Celcius (102 Fahrenheit), but I get the feeling that this is too hot, plus I have no idea whether it's going to get any hotter or not.
The heatsink being used is rated up to 1.2Ghz, but I'm wondering if a new one is required.
Cheers
CD :eek:
freddy
August 7th, 2002, 08:27 AM
here is a chart of all the popular duro/athlon/xp cpu,s ,,,ands power consumption http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/02q2/020610/thoroughbred-05.html ,,working from this "should" give u an idea.
don,t trust the readings given by your m.board.
my asus A7V 333 is "known" to be 8-10 degrees optamistic.
good luck
FtF
CodeDragon
August 7th, 2002, 08:47 AM
Hmmm, okay, having looked at the above article (thanks freddy), I've decided just to keep my eye on things for the time being. Bearing in mind that I'm used to seeing the system run with a Duron 800 in it (which went pffft a few days back), I was probably underestimating the temperature that I should be seeing on VIA HM.
We'll see.
CD :rolleyes:
kato2274
August 7th, 2002, 08:49 AM
40 degrees C really isn't that hot. my t-bird 1.2 often will creep up into the 50's. the biggest question is "Is it stable under heavy loads like 3d gaming" If it is, then don't worry about it.
freddy
August 7th, 2002, 09:05 AM
I to was "freakin" when i say my xp1600 go from 42 to 55 when encloding video (3 hr job 100% cpu),,,
having been to all the asus forums , it would seem that the sensing chip is "too" accurate ,,
went and bought a "lian" alloy case , all the fans etc ,,now i have it to shut down in bios (v-hot) and don,t even monitor it in windoze any more ,,,
only time to worry is when u (feel) getting lockups ,,
good luck
FtF
Radical Dreamer
August 7th, 2002, 10:08 AM
In my experience thats too hot, you may not burn up the cpu immediately, but its definately not good for the chip to be that hot. Just remember that hot stuff expands and then when it cools it contracts, that causes wear.
CodeDragon
August 7th, 2002, 11:18 AM
Originally posted by Radical Dreamer
In my experience thats too hot, you may not burn up the cpu immediately, but its definately not good for the chip to be that hot.
I agree and disagree with that:
According to AMD's Documentation (http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_869_1073^1087,00.html), the maximum temperature that should be reached by the processor should be no more than 90 Degrees C (194 F). Now, bearing in mind that once the system is switched on it reaches its hysteresis temperature relatively quickly (it took about 3 minutes to reach 40 C from room temperature), and also bearing in mind that the ambient temperature of the room can vary (it's quite warm at the moment), 40 C is not all that bad, providing that it is consistent.
Just remember that hot stuff expands and then when it cools it contracts, that causes wear.
Show me a component that hasn't experienced wear as a result of heat stress. The problem you are highlighting is not that the unit gets particularly hot (although different cooling solutions can change this), but rather that wear increases exponentially if the unit is repeatedly powered on and off within short intervals, i.e. it heats up to 40 C and then back to room temperature within a few minutes.
The ideal solution to this is to power a system on in the morning (say at 9am), and leave it running during the day, powering it off at, say, 5pm. This is the most economic way to power a system which is used frequently (due to the power spike on startup), and it is also the best way to be economic whilst reducing wear on system components.
That was pure Mueller, and I apologise utterly for sounding like an arrogant sh*t.
* Wanders off to have a lie down and find his personality again *
Feel free to :flame: me for the arrogance.
CD :o :eek: :eek2:
kato2274
August 7th, 2002, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by CodeDragon
I agree and disagree with that:
According to AMD's Documentation (http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_869_1073^1087,00.html), the maximum temperature that should be reached by the processor should be no more than 90 Degrees C (194 F). Now, bearing in mind that once the system is switched on it reaches its hysteresis temperature relatively quickly (it took about 3 minutes to reach 40 C from room temperature), and also bearing in mind that the ambient temperature of the room can vary (it's quite warm at the moment), 40 C is not all that bad, providing that it is consistent.
Show me a component that hasn't experienced wear as a result of heat stress. The problem you are highlighting is not that the unit gets particularly hot (although different cooling solutions can change this), but rather that wear increases exponentially if the unit is repeatedly powered on and off within short intervals, i.e. it heats up to 40 C and then back to room temperature within a few minutes.
The ideal solution to this is to power a system on in the morning (say at 9am), and leave it running during the day, powering it off at, say, 5pm. This is the most economic way to power a system which is used frequently (due to the power spike on startup), and it is also the best way to be economic whilst reducing wear on system components.
That was pure Mueller, and I apologise utterly for sounding like an arrogant sh*t.
* Wanders off to have a lie down and find his personality again *
Feel free to :flame: me for the arrogance.
CD :o :eek: :eek2:
a well thought out response that I agree whole-heartedly with.
I find it amusing that the people who often make the arguements that temps within AMD's own specs will shorten the life of the CPU are usually overclockers . As if running a CPU out of manufacture's specs is "healthier" than temps well within manufacturs guidelines.
and even if such temperatures do in fact shorten the life of a CPU, in this day and age we will never know, because in less 3 - 4 years the technology of today is considered dumpster material.
Radical Dreamer
August 7th, 2002, 10:48 PM
Originally posted by CodeDragon
I agree and disagree with that:
According to AMD's Documentation (http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_869_1073^1087,00.html), the maximum temperature that should be reached by the processor should be no more than 90 Degrees C (194 F). Now, bearing in mind that once the system is switched on it reaches its hysteresis temperature relatively quickly (it took about 3 minutes to reach 40 C from room temperature), and also bearing in mind that the ambient temperature of the room can vary (it's quite warm at the moment), 40 C is not all that bad, providing that it is consistent.
Show me a component that hasn't experienced wear as a result of heat stress. The problem you are highlighting is not that the unit gets particularly hot (although different cooling solutions can change this), but rather that wear increases exponentially if the unit is repeatedly powered on and off within short intervals, i.e. it heats up to 40 C and then back to room temperature within a few minutes.
The ideal solution to this is to power a system on in the morning (say at 9am), and leave it running during the day, powering it off at, say, 5pm. This is the most economic way to power a system which is used frequently (due to the power spike on startup), and it is also the best way to be economic whilst reducing wear on system components.
That was pure Mueller, and I apologise utterly for sounding like an arrogant sh*t.
* Wanders off to have a lie down and find his personality again *
Feel free to :flame: me for the arrogance.
CD :o :eek: :eek2:
I should have explained that a little more thouroughly, what I meant by the wear part was simply if it goes up a few degrees then not much expansion of the materials, but if the temp goes up alot....more expansion which leads to more wear.
As for AMD documentation, they make the chips so they probably know more than me, but I like to keep my chips under 130F
CodeDragon
August 8th, 2002, 05:00 AM
Originally posted by Radical Dreamer
I should have explained that a little more thouroughly, what I meant by the wear part was simply if it goes up a few degrees then not much expansion of the materials, but if the temp goes up alot....more expansion which leads to more wear.
As for AMD documentation, they make the chips so they probably know more than me, but I like to keep my chips under 130F
Fair enough, but the wear issue is more of a concern when the cpu is heated and cooled in rapid succession, such as switching on, checking email, switching off.
It's like metal fatigue: take a paper clip, bend one piece of it repeatedly back and forth and it will snap quickly. Bend it one way, then wait an hour and bend it the other, and it will take much longer to wear out.
And, unless my math's incorrect, 130F = 54C, so I'm still well within your preferred specs.
CD ;)
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