New Linux User

[[NeoZeeD]]

well im downloading red hat linux. because i never used it before and i want to give it a shot, im going to make a duel boot. so i'll have linux and win2000. also i need to do some labsl for my lan class and i need a linux o/s.

how many of you guys use linux? do you like it? is there alot of game compatiblilty with it?

i wont be able to install it till tomarow i guess, according to my download time i have 5 HOURS and 4 minutes to go :eek:

im getting it off the red hat linux website

[NooNoo]

I had a little tinker with mandrake, found it easy enough to install and I had done my homework - it natively supported all the kit I was using, including a usb modem! But since then I haven't done anything with it. For your dual boot you will want to put your windows os on first and linux on last.

[Archer]

The Red Hat version 8 has a very friendly installation procedure [as our last linux post].
I`ve tried it on and off for the last couple of weeks and found it very user friendly,updates are dead easy via the included link to the R.H. site [just needs name and password registration] it will scan your system and offer a list of available downloads.
Still trying work out how to get it to network with my other PCs, I will have to look up more information.

[Cobra X]

I got a linux box at home I haven't screwed with in months. It's running Mandrake 8, and it's my favorite dstro currently.

[+Daemon+]

Yes I run redhat 8.0, netbsd, freebsd, yellowdog linux, and gentoo linux among with win2k and win xp at home and work.

if you need any help just post it or PM me.


oh if you are going to dual boot, heres some tips

- backup your system first
- Id install linux before windows, windows screws up the partition tables sometimes.
- More tips on partitioning with linux

1) make the first partition 150MB and point it to /boot
2) make a second partition little more than the size of your ram, like 256 MB make the partition 320MB and point it to /swap
3) now here is were you want to make a pritition for your main linux parition, make it any size, smallest 3 gb to whatever and then point it to /


/boot
/swap
/

now, you can have red hat do this autmaticly, but its best to do it your self so you know where everything is, and at what size.

now theres a section for the boot loader, it will try to install grub on default I recomend lilo, I cannot stand grub.

there should be a option in the same window to use LBA32 enable it, you will get a note saying you dont need it, but yes you will.

now pick what you want to install/configure, then install it.

when it asks you if you want to create a boot disk, I think you should, just incase lilo freezes, you still can boot into linux with the floopy then edit the lilo.conf file and get it to boot. though you did this on the older versions of linux and I have foud you will not need to if, you enabled lba32

[+Daemon+]

if redhat did not already setup your nic card, then you can always do this.

in the command prompt

netconfig <-- a little config script to help configure your nic (if the nic was found)

also another way would see if ifconfig was finding eth0

ifconfig

dont see eth0 then try this

ifconfig eth0 up

ifconfig

still nothing?

then you may want to try and give ifconfig a manual ip

ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.1 brodcast 192.168.0.0 submask 255.255.255.0 up


just some little tips

[Archer]

It found the network card ok and autodetects the IP from the router,uses IE to surf and what ever its called to collect mail [some oddly named program] so far so good:)
But danged if I can get it to change the workgroup name from the default"workgroup" to the one I use on the other PCs to file share.:confused:
Them there / partitions asked during the install always confused me on previous editions i.e. /home,/var,/etc just gets me scratching my head:confused:

BTW thanks for offers of assistance this old brain of mine can only just manage one OS [or is that two including DOS]:D

[+Daemon+]

Originally posted by Archer
It found the network card ok and autodetects the IP from the router,uses IE to surf and what ever its called to collect mail [some oddly named program] so far so good:)
But danged if I can get it to change the workgroup name from the default"workgroup" to the one I use on the other PCs to file share.:confused:
Them there / partitions asked during the install always confused me on previous editions i.e. /home,/var,/etc just gets me scratching my head:confused:

BTW thanks for offers of assistance this old brain of mine can only just manage one OS [or is that two including DOS]:D

ok so you want to share files with windows with linux using samba?

if so, make sure samba is installed. and you will need to edit the smb.conf file, now if this is mandrake linux im to sure how they did it.

but you should beable to conenct (thru xwindows) to swat, if installed and enabled which should be.

just open mozilla or your favorite web browser and in the address field type in: 127.0.0.1:901

a little doc on swat.

http://us1.samba.org/samba/docs/man/swat.8.html

for more docs goto

http://www.linuxdoc.org

[drewmaztech]

I've tried RedHat8, but I havn't had much time to work with it.

It just goes to a prompt and then that's pretty much it...

I'm wicked new at it but I want to get into it to tinker!
:flame: :drink:

[+Daemon+]

Originally posted by drewmaztech
I've tried RedHat8, but I havn't had much time to work with it.

It just goes to a prompt and then that's pretty much it...

I'm wicked new at it but I want to get into it to tinker!
:flame: :drink:

:) missin out


when you get to the prompt (since thast how you set it up, which I would have)

login with your account you made, or with root

then

type startx


this will bring up xwindows :)

theres a start

[Radical Dreamer]

Originally posted by +Daemon+


- Id install linux before windows, windows screws up the partition tables sometimes.


Uh.... thats a kinda dumb thing to do because when you install linux first it will install the boot loader (usually into the MBR) and then when you install windows it will rewrite the MBR. So then you are left with no way to get into linux unless you made a boot disk during the install and then its very slow getting to your linux install. :rolleyes:

[+Daemon+]

Originally posted by Radical Dreamer
Uh.... thats a kinda dumb thing to do because when you install linux first it will install the boot loader (usually into the MBR) and then when you install windows it will rewrite the MBR. So then you are left with no way to get into linux unless you made a boot disk during the install and then its very slow getting to your linux install. :rolleyes:

depends what version of windows, win2k and xp doesnt do this to me.

plus even if you did install linux first and then windows writes over the mbr...if you install the loader in mbr, its very ez to fix, thats why you amke a boot disk when it asks, if you didnt do that, then theres always creating one from scratch. then go into your linux distro then reinstall the loader into the mbr..

I suggest linux first since I have had the widows fdisk make wrong partitions. causing the tables not to be read right buy linux. Also you can install a loader that will be managed by windows, wither using the boot.ini file or another boot loader of your choice.

[Radical Dreamer]

I always manually partition using fdisk and then format the windows partitons and the linux partitons during the linux install

[+Daemon+]

Originally posted by Radical Dreamer
I always manually partition using fdisk and then format the windows partitons and the linux partitons during the linux install

so you use the fat partitions with linux or you remake them ext2 or ext3 partitions?

[Radical Dreamer]

No, I meant that I used fdisk to create all the partitions and then went to dos and formated the partitons that were to be used for windows(left the linux alone) then formatted the linux partitons during the install of linux

[[NeoZeeD]]

hi guys.

well i suffessfully installed red hat and made it duel boot. i have two HD's in my pc, my 80 gig is windows and my 20 gig is linux red hat.

i know they are different o/s's but when i try to view the D drive in windows D: (linux) it isnt able to read it. same thing goes with linux when i try to view the hdc1 which would be my C: drive i cant view it.
is there a way both HD's can see each other?

also whats the difference between mandrake and red hat? which one is better?


linux is different then what im use to using.

[RIOT]

Originally posted by [NeoZeeD]
also whats the difference between mandrake and red hat? which one is better?


In the past Mandrake has been more for home/personal/desktop use and Red Hat was more coporate/server oriented. That doesn't mean Red Hat couldn't be used for home/personal and vice versa. I think that Red Hat is starting to make its distro more for the desktop. It's been a while since I've looked into Linux, so I might be wrong.

[Archer]

Had the same problem myself NeoZeeD I was going to import my bookmarks,simple I thought put it on floppy then.... UH OH???? C`ant read the FAT format in Linux. Ended up posting my bookmarks to myself and collecting it on the Red Hat system mailer.
I`m pretty sure theres a Windows emulator of some sort for Linux though,I have to look when I get chance as I`m still trying to figure out this new file compression thing [tar.gz?]to install a program.I did skip through a post somewhere saying uncompress it one way [gz?] then the other [tar?] I shall have to reread it again.

Thanks for the tips Daemon I`ll try it next chance I get,seems rather complicated just to alter a workgroup name though.

[+Daemon+]

Originally posted by [NeoZeeD]
hi guys.

well i suffessfully installed red hat and made it duel boot. i have two HD's in my pc, my 80 gig is windows and my 20 gig is linux red hat.

i know they are different o/s's but when i try to view the D drive in windows D: (linux) it isnt able to read it. same thing goes with linux when i try to view the hdc1 which would be my C: drive i cant view it.
is there a way both HD's can see each other?

also whats the difference between mandrake and red hat? which one is better?


linux is different then what im use to using.

ok windows cannot read a non fat or ntfs partition, linux formats the partition in ext2 or ext3 unless you specify other.

you will not be bale to read the linux partition from windows unless you get the linux explorer for windows, now with linux, you can mount the windows drive and read the windows partition from linux

at the command prompt:

mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt

or any directory you want like /c (if you created a directory)

its probily better to do this...

as root

type this

mkdir /c

mount /dev/hdb1 /c

or if the windows system is fat or fat32

mount -t msdos /dev/hdb1 /c

or ntfs partitions

mount -t ntfs /dev/hdb1 /c

the diffrence in mandrake and red hat....

there are over 1000 distros of linux, there all the same when it comes down to the kernal. the only diffence is the software included and other config software the distro has created.

mandrake is a copy of redhat 6.0

I like redhat better, im more of a gentoo and slackware linux man myself, though these are for more advanced users.

you can always goto www.redhat.com for help and howtos

also www.linuxdoc.org is another good place.

use google to search for how tos


like

linux mount windows partition howto

I got this from google
http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-2001-01/lw-01-legacy.html

[[NeoZeeD]]

kool thanks :D

i have to go to gay class now, but when i get back im going to try that.

peace out

[+Daemon+]

Originally posted by Archer
Had the same problem myself NeoZeeD I was going to import my bookmarks,simple I thought put it on floppy then.... UH OH???? C`ant read the FAT format in Linux. Ended up posting my bookmarks to myself and collecting it on the Red Hat system mailer.
I`m pretty sure theres a Windows emulator of some sort for Linux though,I have to look when I get chance as I`m still trying to figure out this new file compression thing [tar.gz?]to install a program.I did skip through a post somewhere saying uncompress it one way [gz?] then the other [tar?] I shall have to reread it again.

Thanks for the tips Daemon I`ll try it next chance I get,seems rather complicated just to alter a workgroup name though.

with samba yes, but when you learn and get it setup it works great and then you know how to do it.


http://www.samba.org go here for howtos and help on samba

there is a windows emulator but it cost money, or you can use the free one called wine, this will allow you to install windows apps on linux, like the office suite.

crash course in compressed files :)

for tgz files

tar xvfpz file.tgz

for tar files

tar xvfpz file.tar

or use

tar xvf file.tar or file.tgz :)

for red hat users, use RPM files

rpm -Uhv file.rpm (this installes the file for you :))

dont get bz2 files only get rpm or tar or tgz files, you can even unzip things like this

unzip file.zip

or

unzip -d file.zip


for help you can always do this

man appname here (use the man files for help)

or for another way for help

appname --help

like tar --help

this will display the flags you can use with the application