STIGOFTHEDUMP
December 4th, 2002, 05:59 PM
whats paging file, and how many MB should i allocate for it?:)
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NooNoo
December 4th, 2002, 06:06 PM
Has anyone else noticed the inverse relationship to length of question and answer around here? :D :D
Here is a good explanation - there are 5 more links at the bottom of the page, read them all. (http://www.theeldergeek.com/locating_the_page_file.htm)
Here is a good explanation - there are 5 more links at the bottom of the page, read them all. (http://www.theeldergeek.com/locating_the_page_file.htm)
STIGOFTHEDUMP
December 5th, 2002, 01:58 PM
so i assume its a case of "how long is a peice of string!
Ya_know
December 5th, 2002, 02:43 PM
Is there a hidden message in all of this? I need my decoder ring!!!
;)
;)
+Daemon+
December 5th, 2002, 02:49 PM
010110010100010101010011 0101010001001000010001010101001001000101 0100100101010011
^^^^^^^^^^
Right there :)
8bit binary, crack it! :D
^^^^^^^^^^
Right there :)
8bit binary, crack it! :D
STIGOFTHEDUMP
December 5th, 2002, 02:55 PM
well "ya know" it seems to depend on what you want your PC to do, as to how you set your page file .am I rite or wrong?
STIGOFTHEDUMP
December 5th, 2002, 03:07 PM
AS my commit charge never seems to be much more than half my total RAM I assume its all good enuf
Ya_know
December 5th, 2002, 03:09 PM
I don’t understand the cliché about the length of a string, or for that mater, the “inverse relationship to length” stated my NooNoo. Now I have binarys all over the place! Will someone just offer a straight answer!!$!$
:rolleyes:
:cool:
:rolleyes:
:cool:
tha 4NiK8R
December 5th, 2002, 03:17 PM
I tend to make pagefiles based on these rules:
*all numbers are in MB
Standard browsing and Office apps only: min:1024-max:1024
High end apps (eg accounting apps, etc): 2048-2048
Graphics design or gaming: 4092-4092
So may argue the size of the pagefile, but I believe in larger the better. The pagefile is constantly being used no matter how much phycical memory you are using. You can see this in Task Manager by clicking on the Processes tab:View:Select Columns:Virtual Memory Size. This allows you to see how much of your pagefile each process is using.
Also, always make the min and the max pagefile size the same, or you wil fragment your drive insanely as your pagefile constantly changes size and spreads itself all over your disk.
*all numbers are in MB
Standard browsing and Office apps only: min:1024-max:1024
High end apps (eg accounting apps, etc): 2048-2048
Graphics design or gaming: 4092-4092
So may argue the size of the pagefile, but I believe in larger the better. The pagefile is constantly being used no matter how much phycical memory you are using. You can see this in Task Manager by clicking on the Processes tab:View:Select Columns:Virtual Memory Size. This allows you to see how much of your pagefile each process is using.
Also, always make the min and the max pagefile size the same, or you wil fragment your drive insanely as your pagefile constantly changes size and spreads itself all over your disk.
+Daemon+
December 5th, 2002, 03:23 PM
I go about 200 megs - 300 megs more than what Size ram I have
512meg of ram = 700 meg - 800 meg page file
theres a little thing for ya. if you dont know how much let windows do it.
It also depends what you will be doing.
I mean if you have fast memory like pc2100 or higher and alot of memory like 512 or more you really dont need a big page files you dont really need one.
512meg of ram = 700 meg - 800 meg page file
theres a little thing for ya. if you dont know how much let windows do it.
It also depends what you will be doing.
I mean if you have fast memory like pc2100 or higher and alot of memory like 512 or more you really dont need a big page files you dont really need one.
STIGOFTHEDUMP
December 5th, 2002, 03:49 PM
Right thanks , great, I will do some tinkering.
Gollo
December 5th, 2002, 05:52 PM
I don't run any pagefile on my system. I have 320MB of memory and I have yet to get an out of memory error. The only program that I have to have a pagefile for is Photo Shop and even then I turn it off after I'm done. Now if it's a gaming system then I would apply some of the above tips. But since my system is mainly for browsing the internet, email, etc I don't see a need plus it runs a little faster.
Larommi
December 5th, 2002, 10:39 PM
Originally posted by +Daemon+
010110010100010101010011 0101010001001000010001010101001001000101 0100100101010011
^^^^^^^^^^
Right there :)
8bit binary, crack it! :D
YESTHEREIS :D
010110010100010101010011 0101010001001000010001010101001001000101 0100100101010011
^^^^^^^^^^
Right there :)
8bit binary, crack it! :D
YESTHEREIS :D
Gabriel
December 6th, 2002, 08:16 AM
Originally posted by Gollo
I don't run any pagefile on my system. I have 320MB of memory and I have yet to get an out of memory error. The only program that I have to have a pagefile for is Photo Shop and even then I turn it off after I'm done. Now if it's a gaming system then I would apply some of the above tips. But since my system is mainly for browsing the internet, email, etc I don't see a need plus it runs a little faster.
Trully said - on my system there is 512Mb ECC chip - I think that Memory is the most crucial thing after storage in computer system. I disbled the Swap file (Though MS guys recommended no to).
On servers and/or systems with Low RAM - I have certain rules.
Set the swap file to a constant that is somewhat 1.5 or 2 times the memory installed.
If you have more than one Physical disk (Especially on a different bus) it is the best way to "spread" your Swap file across disks (though it is not recommended on RAID).
Good Luck,
Gabriel
I don't run any pagefile on my system. I have 320MB of memory and I have yet to get an out of memory error. The only program that I have to have a pagefile for is Photo Shop and even then I turn it off after I'm done. Now if it's a gaming system then I would apply some of the above tips. But since my system is mainly for browsing the internet, email, etc I don't see a need plus it runs a little faster.
Trully said - on my system there is 512Mb ECC chip - I think that Memory is the most crucial thing after storage in computer system. I disbled the Swap file (Though MS guys recommended no to).
On servers and/or systems with Low RAM - I have certain rules.
Set the swap file to a constant that is somewhat 1.5 or 2 times the memory installed.
If you have more than one Physical disk (Especially on a different bus) it is the best way to "spread" your Swap file across disks (though it is not recommended on RAID).
Good Luck,
Gabriel
STIGOFTHEDUMP
December 6th, 2002, 05:23 PM
Is there a downside for setting your P.F at say 4 times your RAM?:eek2: :sad:
NooNoo
December 6th, 2002, 05:38 PM
Yes fragmented pagefile and futility
NetScum
December 9th, 2002, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by Ya_know
I don’t understand the cliché about the length of a string, or for that mater, the “inverse relationship to length” stated my NooNoo. Now I have binarys all over the place! Will someone just offer a straight answer!!$!$
:rolleyes:
:cool:
Its not the length of string that counts, its the quality. Now where did I leave my Corvette keys?
I don’t understand the cliché about the length of a string, or for that mater, the “inverse relationship to length” stated my NooNoo. Now I have binarys all over the place! Will someone just offer a straight answer!!$!$
:rolleyes:
:cool:
Its not the length of string that counts, its the quality. Now where did I leave my Corvette keys?
peterpam
December 12th, 2002, 11:44 AM
Dam the swap file! I subscrive completly Gabriel point of view.... but.... What is that talking about binaryes and strings!!!!!?????
JeffO93
December 16th, 2002, 03:33 PM
What many of you say about RAM sounds very logical.
Now let's talk about what computers really do, not what they're supposed to do or makes sense.
Point 1:
At our company, we went around upgrading
RAM (doubling it). Soon we found that MS Office apps wouldn't launch, or they would launch and then vanish (even from Task Manager). One tech found the fix was to make the pagefile 2 1/2 times larger than physical RAM.
Point 2:
We run Diskeeper disk maintenance software and JDEdwards (evil database application). JDE likes to create dynamic 1 - 2Gig files. That's right, there's a few files that individually are each larger than a Gig. The hard drives won't defrag without the paging file being 2 1/2 times larger than RAM (and free disk space also being 2 1/2 times larger than the largest file to defrag).
Win2000 and WinXP usually won't boot without at least 12MB of pagefile. If there isn't one, then it will create an "emergency 12MB pagefile" at boot time. If security is set too high (like one of my managers did) and even the admin users can't access the pagefile, it is as if there isn't a pagefile, and Windows will (it was a year ago, but if memory serves me right) boot to safe mode or not let the user log on. The local admin has to fix the pagefile to allow users to log on.
So that's two reasons to use the 2 1/2X rule.
You can set static pagefile to avoid the warning by Win2000 and WinXP that it will increase the pagefile. Or like I do is use the 2 1/2X rule for minimum and up to 2Gig for max., since I do lots of multiple graphics file editing and tons of stuff is on the clipboard.
So it isn't as obvious and simple as most of us would like to believe.
Now let's talk about what computers really do, not what they're supposed to do or makes sense.
Point 1:
At our company, we went around upgrading
RAM (doubling it). Soon we found that MS Office apps wouldn't launch, or they would launch and then vanish (even from Task Manager). One tech found the fix was to make the pagefile 2 1/2 times larger than physical RAM.
Point 2:
We run Diskeeper disk maintenance software and JDEdwards (evil database application). JDE likes to create dynamic 1 - 2Gig files. That's right, there's a few files that individually are each larger than a Gig. The hard drives won't defrag without the paging file being 2 1/2 times larger than RAM (and free disk space also being 2 1/2 times larger than the largest file to defrag).
Win2000 and WinXP usually won't boot without at least 12MB of pagefile. If there isn't one, then it will create an "emergency 12MB pagefile" at boot time. If security is set too high (like one of my managers did) and even the admin users can't access the pagefile, it is as if there isn't a pagefile, and Windows will (it was a year ago, but if memory serves me right) boot to safe mode or not let the user log on. The local admin has to fix the pagefile to allow users to log on.
So that's two reasons to use the 2 1/2X rule.
You can set static pagefile to avoid the warning by Win2000 and WinXP that it will increase the pagefile. Or like I do is use the 2 1/2X rule for minimum and up to 2Gig for max., since I do lots of multiple graphics file editing and tons of stuff is on the clipboard.
So it isn't as obvious and simple as most of us would like to believe.
peterpam
December 16th, 2002, 08:13 PM
To bee honest, i've seen that emergency swap file 'in action' only in windows 2000, and if i remember well it sets the virtual memory to 20 megs.
Usualy, what changes this setings are the preferences of some aplications. Even so, for example, one instalation of Microsoft Office without any 'server' functions would have no efect at all in this matter, but other instalation with this or other other 'ressource-expensive' routines instaled at startup/registry/logging (monitoring) level could raise the swap necessities a lot.
If you believe, my minimum swap file is about 2 megs, and even so wen i turn of the swap file, my mad onion benchmark still say i have gain some minimal perfomance advantages in the memory field....
Its all about what you doo with your machine: more aplications running? Frequent full instalations of new software like games? A Startup file filled to the top...?
Well, thouse things demand lots of memory, data that will bee needed latter in that process, and every time that this hapens, the demands for the swap increase.
If to all this you put on top the fact of some routines simply 'forguet' to clean the memory as they leave... You got a lot of sheet that needs space.
At the end, there is no other way than the old way: monitor your ressources for a whille, specially during peak hours of activity, and then make that value the minimum for swap file.
One can also follow other 'philosofie': a minimum swap of 2 Megs and a max of 5/2 X RAM!
Greetings from a country where the SUN still exists!
Usualy, what changes this setings are the preferences of some aplications. Even so, for example, one instalation of Microsoft Office without any 'server' functions would have no efect at all in this matter, but other instalation with this or other other 'ressource-expensive' routines instaled at startup/registry/logging (monitoring) level could raise the swap necessities a lot.
If you believe, my minimum swap file is about 2 megs, and even so wen i turn of the swap file, my mad onion benchmark still say i have gain some minimal perfomance advantages in the memory field....
Its all about what you doo with your machine: more aplications running? Frequent full instalations of new software like games? A Startup file filled to the top...?
Well, thouse things demand lots of memory, data that will bee needed latter in that process, and every time that this hapens, the demands for the swap increase.
If to all this you put on top the fact of some routines simply 'forguet' to clean the memory as they leave... You got a lot of sheet that needs space.
At the end, there is no other way than the old way: monitor your ressources for a whille, specially during peak hours of activity, and then make that value the minimum for swap file.
One can also follow other 'philosofie': a minimum swap of 2 Megs and a max of 5/2 X RAM!
Greetings from a country where the SUN still exists!
STIGOFTHEDUMP
December 28th, 2002, 10:31 PM
[i]Originally posted by peterpam
At the end, there is no other way than the old way: monitor your ressources for a whille, specially during peak hours of activity, and then make that value the minimum for swap file.
[/B]
Yes this ^ is the conclusion I have come to......does anyone have views as to whats best to give swapfile priority to; progs or cache!?:eek2: :sad:
At the end, there is no other way than the old way: monitor your ressources for a whille, specially during peak hours of activity, and then make that value the minimum for swap file.
[/B]
Yes this ^ is the conclusion I have come to......does anyone have views as to whats best to give swapfile priority to; progs or cache!?:eek2: :sad:
peterpam
December 29th, 2002, 02:02 PM
Well, if you have 512 or more of ram you can and should benefit to have the 'memory usage' in the 'System Cache' option.
This will give you a litle better perfomance, nothing great so, but especialy will make the system more stable and quik to recover from problems that may encounter (thouse freezings that sometimes hapen in XP when it has a lot of things to do!).
But if you have PC100 or PC133 ram, forguet it: this ram is too slow, and should use the 'programs' setting.
Greetings from the country of Sun... specialy in Summer!
This will give you a litle better perfomance, nothing great so, but especialy will make the system more stable and quik to recover from problems that may encounter (thouse freezings that sometimes hapen in XP when it has a lot of things to do!).
But if you have PC100 or PC133 ram, forguet it: this ram is too slow, and should use the 'programs' setting.
Greetings from the country of Sun... specialy in Summer!
STIGOFTHEDUMP
January 4th, 2003, 04:40 AM
Thanks PP UNFOURTUNATELY, I only have PC133 RAM so I will take your advice TA and happy new year!
peterpam
January 5th, 2003, 05:47 PM
nOW... NEVER SAY: THATS IT AND FINAL!
Why dont you try the cache setings? No harm will come from that... Do a good benchmark and take your own conclusions in this matter... You will see that 3D benche's dont like it mutch, but office and transfer perfomance (bus, memory) benche's will probably like.... Take some time to try!
Greetings from a coutry where thee sun.. for shure will come!
And happy new year too for you!
Why dont you try the cache setings? No harm will come from that... Do a good benchmark and take your own conclusions in this matter... You will see that 3D benche's dont like it mutch, but office and transfer perfomance (bus, memory) benche's will probably like.... Take some time to try!
Greetings from a coutry where thee sun.. for shure will come!
And happy new year too for you!
STIGOFTHEDUMP
January 10th, 2003, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by peterpam
nOW... NEVER SAY: THATS IT AND FINAL!
Why dont you try the cache setings? No harm will come from that... Do a good benchmark and take your own conclusions in this matter... You will see that 3D benche's dont like it mutch, but office and transfer perfomance (bus, memory) benche's will probably like.... Take some time to try!
Greetings from a coutry where thee sun.. for shure will come!
And happy new year too for you!
Tell me about it!! "Take some time to try" I think I spend far too much time on this B#### MACHINE as is, but thanks for the advice!!!!!:eek2: :sad:
nOW... NEVER SAY: THATS IT AND FINAL!
Why dont you try the cache setings? No harm will come from that... Do a good benchmark and take your own conclusions in this matter... You will see that 3D benche's dont like it mutch, but office and transfer perfomance (bus, memory) benche's will probably like.... Take some time to try!
Greetings from a coutry where thee sun.. for shure will come!
And happy new year too for you!
Tell me about it!! "Take some time to try" I think I spend far too much time on this B#### MACHINE as is, but thanks for the advice!!!!!:eek2: :sad:
scutterboy
January 17th, 2003, 11:11 AM
Perhaps these posts might also have some use for you Stig.
I wrote this a short while ago about having system managed page files in their own partition. (http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/wd/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45896)
It was as a result of an experiment from this other post (http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/wd/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45865&perpage=15&pagenumber=1)
I wrote this a short while ago about having system managed page files in their own partition. (http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/wd/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45896)
It was as a result of an experiment from this other post (http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/wd/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45865&perpage=15&pagenumber=1)
techs
January 19th, 2003, 06:19 AM
Originally posted by STIGOFTHEDUMP
Is there a downside for setting your P.F at say 4 times your RAM?:eek2: :sad:
I seem to remember reading that the larger the page file the longer windows can take to find the data it is looking for. Seems to make sense. Therefore, a larger page file would slow you down if the system kept searching for the data on it.
Is there a downside for setting your P.F at say 4 times your RAM?:eek2: :sad:
I seem to remember reading that the larger the page file the longer windows can take to find the data it is looking for. Seems to make sense. Therefore, a larger page file would slow you down if the system kept searching for the data on it.
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