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Damned Angel
September 25th, 2003, 11:15 AM
http://download.microsoft.com/download/6/8/9/68964284-864d-4a6d-aed9-f2c1f8f23e14/downgrade_chart.doc


Some of you may already know that you can downgrade from xp pro to other os's on an oem copy and some of you may not.

We had a discussion with a MS rep this morning about the downgrade rights and was given this info. We were also told that the media and cd key for the downgraded version of windows you want to install can come from anywhere you like, but microsoft will not be supplying cd's or cd keys for it.
Ya_know
September 25th, 2003, 12:12 PM
It says in plain print:

OEM License Agreement
"Application licenses acquired via the OEM channel follow rights granted in the OEM license. OEM licenses do not typically grant downgrade rights. "

I think you need to reread the document you were provided...
Ya_know
September 25th, 2003, 12:16 PM
Ok...maybe I should read a little closer...

(there is a system product, and an application product...I misread)

XP oem is down gradable...

:kiss:
NooNoo
September 25th, 2003, 12:34 PM
Ya_know reading M$ licencing literature is a bit like finding the 9 people in this painting

http://www.grand-illusions.com/images/9people.jpg
freddy
September 25th, 2003, 01:15 PM
3 ,,,and a dead pig so far...



are u sure there are 9?


freddy
DocPC
September 25th, 2003, 01:25 PM
I can find 8............
Low_Level_Owl
September 25th, 2003, 02:00 PM
Answer is here (http://www.qsl.net/w5www/9people1.html).
Ya_know
September 25th, 2003, 02:09 PM
3 ,,,and a dead pig so far...



are u sure there are 9?


freddy

And that pig is well endowed indeed!
DocPC
September 25th, 2003, 02:10 PM
Missed the one to the right of the bird......
gazzak
September 25th, 2003, 03:43 PM
Microsoft would claim there were 11 people in there :D
freddy
September 25th, 2003, 03:50 PM
printed that out ,,,,looked at it and got 8 ,,,,,forgot the baby!!!!!


just thought the "pig" counted ,,,,,,,,,at least in the UK



freddy
freddy
September 25th, 2003, 03:52 PM
Microsoft would claim there were 11 people in there :D


freddy
confus-ed
September 26th, 2003, 06:55 AM
Errr now I've just spent 15 minutes looking for people in some stupid picture (Thanks Noo for finding me more things to 'waste' my life with ;)) .... WTF do we want to downgrade ??? - now if I could just upgrade legitamately I might be interested ... or are we saying mad things like I can pay for xp home & then 'downgrade' that to w2k pro !?!?! - 'cos then I am interested !!!!
Ya_know
September 26th, 2003, 08:17 AM
XP home can't downgrade to anything...
Damned Angel
September 26th, 2003, 08:50 AM
I don'k know about you, but I have lots of business clients with custom software that will only run on win 98. As you know, you can no longer obtain 98 OEM with new systems. So, by purchasing xp pro OEM with a new system, they can then install 98 on the machine so that they don't have to worry about not being able to use their old software.
confus-ed
September 26th, 2003, 02:02 PM
I don'k know about you, but I have lots of business clients with custom software that will only run on win 98. As you know, you can no longer obtain 98 OEM with new systems. So, by purchasing xp pro OEM with a new system, they can then install 98 on the machine so that they don't have to worry about not being able to use their old software.

Can't you still get 98 OEM ? ... you still can where I am ! So I'm even more confus-ed than usual ! ... but for now I shan't be doing any of that ! Especially since xp pro costs 1.5x as much ;)

But err have you never heard of 2nd hand ? I dunno if I've completed shall we say 'the formalties' as far as licensing transfer goes - but I'm often able to procure 'old' copies for clients from new rollouts as/when they want them ...
Ya_know
September 26th, 2003, 03:47 PM
Can't you still get 98 OEM ? ... you still can where I am ! So I'm even more confus-ed than usual ! ... but for now I shan't be doing any of that ! Especially since xp pro costs 1.5x as much ;)

But err have you never heard of 2nd hand ? I dunno if I've completed shall we say 'the formalties' as far as licensing transfer goes - but I'm often able to procure 'old' copies for clients from new rollouts as/when they want them ...
Let it go old man... :cool:
Damned Angel
September 26th, 2003, 04:30 PM
Can't you still get 98 OEM ? ... you still can where I am ! So I'm even more confus-ed than usual ! ... but for now I shan't be doing any of that ! Especially since xp pro costs 1.5x as much ;)

But err have you never heard of 2nd hand ? I dunno if I've completed shall we say 'the formalties' as far as licensing transfer goes - but I'm often able to procure 'old' copies for clients from new rollouts as/when they want them ...
You can still buy a new machine with 98 OEM on it? I don't mean a brand new pII 350 with 98 on it from the local chop shop, I mean a brand new P4 or AMD xp system with 98 OEM.

I have not seen anyone selling these anymore.
confus-ed
September 27th, 2003, 05:19 AM
You can still buy a new machine with 98 OEM on it? I don't mean a brand new pII 350 with 98 on it from the local chop shop, I mean a brand new P4 or AMD xp system with 98 OEM.

I have not seen anyone selling these anymore.

Ahh so you mean pre-installed (I'll casually ignore Ya_knows advice to 'let it go' :D) ... errr I'd suggest that'd be a marketing thingee !!!

Manufacturers of the 'latest & greatest' machines, wouldn't want to be making a retrograde step in the eyes of the consumer do they ??? Why put what Uncle BIll seems to have convinced most of us, is 'inferior' on shinny new boxes ? (Not me though - horses for courses !)

But your information is handy - TA ! .... that means I can now happily send out machines dual booting & know I'm inside licensing agreements - because I too have many a customer with apps that only 'run properly' in a true DOS environment - so I can have both operating systems installed & covered 'legally' because I can of course only 'use' one at a time !
Ya_know
September 27th, 2003, 09:04 AM
that means I can now happily send out machines dual booting & know I'm inside licensing agreements - because I too have many a customer with apps that only 'run properly' in a true DOS environment - so I can have both operating systems installed & covered 'legally' because I can of course only 'use' one at a time !
I think dual booting is defeated by the downgrade rights. If I am not mistaken you would require both licenses...although I could be wrong. :eek2:
confus-ed
September 27th, 2003, 06:24 PM
I think dual booting is defeated by the downgrade rights. If I am not mistaken you would require both licenses...although I could be wrong. :eek2:
Ahhh build me up ... then knock me down - why don't you ! :D

We did the 'do you require two licenses to dual boot' saga before - trots off to check ... & much as it hurts ... you are right.
Ya_know
September 29th, 2003, 08:15 AM
Ahhh build me up ... then knock me down - why don't you ! :D

We did the 'do you require two licenses to dual boot' saga before - trots off to check ... & much as it hurts ... you are right.

I feel dizzy, the world is spinning...someone stop the ride so I can get off. :uke:
Rifleman @ Layman's PC
October 7th, 2003, 02:02 PM
Can't you still get 98 OEM ? ... you still can where I am ! So I'm even more confus-ed than usual ! ... but for now I shan't be doing any of that ! Especially since xp pro costs 1.5x as much ;)

But err have you never heard of 2nd hand ? I dunno if I've completed shall we say 'the formalties' as far as licensing transfer goes - but I'm often able to procure 'old' copies for clients from new rollouts as/when they want them ...


http://www.1a-computer-software-discount-microsoft-computer-software.com/.sc/ms/cat/1059778511966958/9/nc/Microsoft--MS-Operating%20Systems

bottom of the page, you can get just an OEM license or the full OEM
dfritz
October 11th, 2003, 05:08 PM
At the risk of removing all doubt about my mental incompetence, I am compelled to revive this thread of two rabbit trails. The second one is the painting. Well, maybe it's the only "rabbit trail". I've looked really hard, I found nine faces, I think (but the answer link failed to work). :sad: But what really confounds me is.... where is the blinkin' pig????? I see a sleeping dog with a face on it's tail (I think). But, I see no pig, well endowed or otherwise. When you say pig, bacon and ham come to mind. What I see reminds me of fetch, stay, and wet noses. Did I miss something or is this a British thing? ;)
confus-ed
October 12th, 2003, 05:30 AM
Answer is here (http://www.qsl.net/w5www/9people1.html).

Only Freddy saw a 'pig' .... & he's 'certifiable' - British, admittedly, but quite, quite,quite maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad ! :grin:

& edit - you say the link don't work ? It does here, so I shall invoke cut & paste, if you can't get there for whatever reason ....
http://www.qsl.net/w5www/9people1.jpg

Here are the 9 people in the picture.

Each of these circles contains a face.

1- The man with the stick.
2- The lady caring her child.
3- The baby.
4- An old Man.
5- A Face looking towards you.
6- A face looking towards the left.
7- A face looking towards the left.
8- A Face looking towards the right.
9- A Face looking towards the right.

No mention of any Pigs ;)