FatalException0E
January 7th, 2004, 01:07 AM
http://www.truckweb.ca/images/PauleMarcoux/Wreck/Flipped_Truck.jpg
yikes.....
So, real or not, what do you think?
yikes.....
So, real or not, what do you think?
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Mayet
January 7th, 2004, 01:44 AM
real...open cut mine ..steep grades..those could flip easy if unbalanced or driven too fast
silencio
January 7th, 2004, 03:14 AM
I vote real.
WebHead
January 7th, 2004, 03:22 AM
I think it's real, but there ARE a couple suspicious parts to it.
1. Guy in white hat has a strange dent in his left leg by his knee.
2. A couple of those guys have some strange white lines by their knees. Seems like an after effect of rubber stamping. But my only question would be why?
3. Large tire closest to left side of image has some mightly clean white ghosting along the tire. At first I thought it was just a clean edge caused by dirt on the tire, but I compared some other edges of the truck and they don't seem to have such a clean contrast to the rest of the image.
4. If you zoom in on different parts of the image, you will notice different image qualities. For example, zoom in on one of the workers. They are heavily bitmapped. The truck is not as badly bitmapped if you zoom in on parts of it. Also there is some bitmapped ghosting around the edges of the workers.
Now that I think about it,.. I am pretty sure it's a fake.
1. Guy in white hat has a strange dent in his left leg by his knee.
2. A couple of those guys have some strange white lines by their knees. Seems like an after effect of rubber stamping. But my only question would be why?
3. Large tire closest to left side of image has some mightly clean white ghosting along the tire. At first I thought it was just a clean edge caused by dirt on the tire, but I compared some other edges of the truck and they don't seem to have such a clean contrast to the rest of the image.
4. If you zoom in on different parts of the image, you will notice different image qualities. For example, zoom in on one of the workers. They are heavily bitmapped. The truck is not as badly bitmapped if you zoom in on parts of it. Also there is some bitmapped ghosting around the edges of the workers.
Now that I think about it,.. I am pretty sure it's a fake.
Mayet
January 7th, 2004, 04:25 AM
I see what you see about the knees webby...
but the shadows are well done if its a fake...theres no skid marks either or roll marks
the jury is still out here....
heres one the right way up I am looking for a forward view
http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa1/kalgoorlie/dump%20truck.jpg
but the shadows are well done if its a fake...theres no skid marks either or roll marks
the jury is still out here....
heres one the right way up I am looking for a forward view
http://www.schools.ash.org.au/paa1/kalgoorlie/dump%20truck.jpg
freddy
January 7th, 2004, 04:40 AM
zoom in close on the cab , and you can see a spilled coffee cup
it,s real
it,s real
confus-ed
January 7th, 2004, 05:00 AM
Go on then ...Find me a picture of the flipping crane they get to turn the damn thing back the right way up !
I'm of course completely confus-ed on the fake/real issue. :D
I'm of course completely confus-ed on the fake/real issue. :D
gazzak
January 7th, 2004, 07:24 AM
You need a new option of half real/half fake. I'd say the truck really is overturned, but the workers have been pasted in front of it.
Tacklebox
January 7th, 2004, 08:19 AM
It looks to me that the truck really flipped. Look at the guy with the rag behind the railing, that looks clean. But it seems the guys standing in front were shopped in.
edball
January 7th, 2004, 09:17 AM
Look at the shadows, it's obviously a fake.
Mayet
January 7th, 2004, 09:28 AM
http://www.msha.gov/Accident_Prevention/ideas/images/dumpshort1.jpg
http://www.msha.gov/Accident_Prevention/ideas/images/dumpshort2.jpg
well...I can't find anything on google about it yet and I have tried every search term familiar with it...I did however find these...
I know it does happen, but I am still...undecided
http://www.msha.gov/Accident_Prevention/ideas/images/dumpshort2.jpg
well...I can't find anything on google about it yet and I have tried every search term familiar with it...I did however find these...
I know it does happen, but I am still...undecided
IT Len
January 7th, 2004, 09:29 AM
Since imaging is what I do for a living, I thought I'd weigh in on the issue...
This looks real to me. We have ways of determining if pixellation/resolution differences can be found within a single photo, and I couldn't find any. Zooming in on it, the things that look iffy on the guys legs and such, look acceptable when viewed close up. A big issue that usually gives "shopped" images away is shadowing. The shadows under each guy, although small, are similar in angulation, size and brightness, and match the minimal shadowing of the bottom [leading edge] of the truck resting on the dirt. That'd be very difficult to get right. The bent stepup ladder [top right] supports a vehicle rollover idea. [Though, that could've happened any time.]
What doesn't look right? I'm always suspicious of washed out areas...too bright, too white and stuff like that. It's easy to hide shopping in those areas. To me, the tires look flat on top, as if, flipped over, they're still resting on the earth, but 1] who knows what the tires look like on something like this when they're "downside up?", and 2] It's impossible to detect any pixellation difference with all the white surrounding them, especially in a .jpg image.
This looks real to me. We have ways of determining if pixellation/resolution differences can be found within a single photo, and I couldn't find any. Zooming in on it, the things that look iffy on the guys legs and such, look acceptable when viewed close up. A big issue that usually gives "shopped" images away is shadowing. The shadows under each guy, although small, are similar in angulation, size and brightness, and match the minimal shadowing of the bottom [leading edge] of the truck resting on the dirt. That'd be very difficult to get right. The bent stepup ladder [top right] supports a vehicle rollover idea. [Though, that could've happened any time.]
What doesn't look right? I'm always suspicious of washed out areas...too bright, too white and stuff like that. It's easy to hide shopping in those areas. To me, the tires look flat on top, as if, flipped over, they're still resting on the earth, but 1] who knows what the tires look like on something like this when they're "downside up?", and 2] It's impossible to detect any pixellation difference with all the white surrounding them, especially in a .jpg image.
Diver01
January 7th, 2004, 09:36 AM
I say its real. But what the hell do I know.. :p
Ya_know
January 7th, 2004, 09:43 AM
Look at the shadows, it's obviously a fake.
What shadows, it looks to be noon, as small as the shadows are...
What shadows, it looks to be noon, as small as the shadows are...
Ya_know
January 7th, 2004, 09:47 AM
but the shadows are well done if its a fake...theres no skid marks either or roll marks
There may have been roll marks, but not visible in such a small view of the camera, also, there may have been dirt movers along side filling in a pile or something, we can't really draw any conclusion there without knowing that the accident scene was left untouched before this picture was even taken...
There may have been roll marks, but not visible in such a small view of the camera, also, there may have been dirt movers along side filling in a pile or something, we can't really draw any conclusion there without knowing that the accident scene was left untouched before this picture was even taken...
Stalemate
January 7th, 2004, 10:00 AM
I'm no expert, but I have had extensive training in graphic design and use Photoshop at least weekly.
Real, I say.
IT Len summed it up pretty good.
Real, I say.
IT Len summed it up pretty good.
Matridom
January 7th, 2004, 10:08 AM
I've looked it over and i think it's real. No specific reason, but the details in the picture seem to match what happened.
gazzak
January 7th, 2004, 10:28 AM
Then how does the guy with half a knee stand up without support?
Matridom
January 7th, 2004, 10:40 AM
Then how does the guy with half a knee stand up without support?
That's just it. If it was photoshoped, there would not be such a huge mistake. I feel that what your seing there just happens to be the way the jeans fold.
That's just it. If it was photoshoped, there would not be such a huge mistake. I feel that what your seing there just happens to be the way the jeans fold.
+Daemon+
January 7th, 2004, 10:41 AM
http://daemonprojects.com/Flipped_Truck.jpg
looks fishy to me
looks fishy to me
Archer
January 7th, 2004, 10:49 AM
Looks real to me but what do I know.
As to the stripes on the knees are those not reflective stripes attached to the overalls?
There are several accident reports posted by the US Dpartment of Labour if you feel like looking through them:
http://www.msha.gov/INDEXES/ALLDOC.idq?CiScope=%2F&CiMaxRecordsPerPage=10&TemplateName=query&CiSort=rank%5Bd%5D&HTMLQueryForm=query.htm&CiRestriction=caterpillar
http://www.msha.gov/Accident_Prevention/initiatives/cameras/photo7.jpg
caterpillar 789B
http://www.msha.gov/Accident_Prevention/initiatives/cameras/photo10.jpg
Caterpiller 793B
As to the stripes on the knees are those not reflective stripes attached to the overalls?
There are several accident reports posted by the US Dpartment of Labour if you feel like looking through them:
http://www.msha.gov/INDEXES/ALLDOC.idq?CiScope=%2F&CiMaxRecordsPerPage=10&TemplateName=query&CiSort=rank%5Bd%5D&HTMLQueryForm=query.htm&CiRestriction=caterpillar
http://www.msha.gov/Accident_Prevention/initiatives/cameras/photo7.jpg
caterpillar 789B
http://www.msha.gov/Accident_Prevention/initiatives/cameras/photo10.jpg
Caterpiller 793B
Cobra X
January 7th, 2004, 10:57 AM
It's real, I was the one driving it.
Cleetus
January 7th, 2004, 10:58 AM
And I was giving him his Rum
Ya_know
January 7th, 2004, 11:14 AM
It's real, I was the one driving it.
You were also on the Valdez...? :devil:
You were also on the Valdez...? :devil:
Archer
January 7th, 2004, 11:24 AM
Though given some of the other images from the website I wouldnt be suprised if it were real :D
http://www.truckweb.ca/images/Visiteurs/small/Paule_BigRock4_small.jpghttp://www.truckweb.ca/images/Visiteurs/small/Paule_BigRock2_small.jpghttp://www.truckweb.ca/images/Visiteurs/small/Paule_BigRock1_small.jpg
http://www.truckweb.ca/Fto_Autres.htm
http://www.truckweb.ca/#
http://www.truckweb.ca/images/Visiteurs/small/Paule_BigRock4_small.jpghttp://www.truckweb.ca/images/Visiteurs/small/Paule_BigRock2_small.jpghttp://www.truckweb.ca/images/Visiteurs/small/Paule_BigRock1_small.jpg
http://www.truckweb.ca/Fto_Autres.htm
http://www.truckweb.ca/#
Major Kong
January 7th, 2004, 12:43 PM
It's real folks. I work at one of the largest mines in the world and we got a Safety Bulletin Alert from Factory Mutual Insurance last year about the incident. It happened late in 2001. I actually have another picture of the accident, but unfortunately I'm at work and can't host it. If anyone is interested though I can email it to ya and let ya oogle at it. :D
Archer
January 7th, 2004, 12:59 PM
Hope they managed to get away without too much injury Major Kong.
Ya_know
January 7th, 2004, 01:42 PM
Hey Major, how much does one of those things weigh? And is there water in the tires/if so how many gallons per tire (if that's common knowlege).
I am guesing around 140000 lbs gross, give or take a few thousand. Am I close
I am guesing around 140000 lbs gross, give or take a few thousand. Am I close
Gollo
January 7th, 2004, 01:54 PM
http://www.truckweb.ca/images/PauleMarcoux/Wreck/Flipped_Truck.jpg
yikes.....
So, real or not, what do you think?
I say it's a fake. Why'd they bring the barrel out for the picture? (behind the third guy from the left). Also how did it end up in this position (flat on it's back). I would under stand falling over on it's side because of a load but the only way I see it ending up in that positing is if it drove up a very steep incline with a load and flipped straight up and then over but if that would have happend I don't think that a vehicle of that size and weight would not show any signs of stress or bent metal (shoot even if it were placed like that I think the weight would show something). All in all it's a very good fake though.
yikes.....
So, real or not, what do you think?
I say it's a fake. Why'd they bring the barrel out for the picture? (behind the third guy from the left). Also how did it end up in this position (flat on it's back). I would under stand falling over on it's side because of a load but the only way I see it ending up in that positing is if it drove up a very steep incline with a load and flipped straight up and then over but if that would have happend I don't think that a vehicle of that size and weight would not show any signs of stress or bent metal (shoot even if it were placed like that I think the weight would show something). All in all it's a very good fake though.
Gollo
January 7th, 2004, 01:54 PM
It's real folks. I work at one of the largest mines in the world and we got a Safety Bulletin Alert from Factory Mutual Insurance last year about the incident. It happened late in 2001. I actually have another picture of the accident, but unfortunately I'm at work and can't host it. If anyone is interested though I can email it to ya and let ya oogle at it. :D
I'm game. millerg2 at gvsu dot edu
I'm game. millerg2 at gvsu dot edu
Major Kong
January 7th, 2004, 02:44 PM
I'm game. millerg2 at gvsu dot edu
On it's way Gollo.
I never did hear whether it was a fatality or not.
Ya_know:
Here where I work now we use the smaller CAT 777 (easier to maintain in the Arctic). They run ~140 tons. Where I used to work in Arizona we were using the Komatsu 300 and 320 ton trucks. They be huge monsters. We do not use water in the tires due to the much additional weight (8.34 pounds per gallon), so they are your basic BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG Stoopid Truck Tires ;) . Plus up here the tires would probably be a freezin' all the time. It bein' a nice balmy -27°F today here in the Northwest Arctic. :D
On it's way Gollo.
I never did hear whether it was a fatality or not.
Ya_know:
Here where I work now we use the smaller CAT 777 (easier to maintain in the Arctic). They run ~140 tons. Where I used to work in Arizona we were using the Komatsu 300 and 320 ton trucks. They be huge monsters. We do not use water in the tires due to the much additional weight (8.34 pounds per gallon), so they are your basic BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG Stoopid Truck Tires ;) . Plus up here the tires would probably be a freezin' all the time. It bein' a nice balmy -27°F today here in the Northwest Arctic. :D
Gollo
January 7th, 2004, 04:46 PM
On it's way Gollo.
I never did hear whether it was a fatality or not.
Ya_know:
Here where I work now we use the smaller CAT 777 (easier to maintain in the Arctic). They run ~140 tons. Where I used to work in Arizona we were using the Komatsu 300 and 320 ton trucks. They be huge monsters. We do not use water in the tires due to the much additional weight (8.34 pounds per gallon), so they are your basic BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG Stoopid Truck Tires ;) . Plus up here the tires would probably be a freezin' all the time. It bein' a nice balmy -27°F today here in the Northwest Arctic. :D
Ok. It's real. Barrel and all :D
Link (http://www.enlacesconcristo.org/HaulTruckAccident1PJV.JPG)
I never did hear whether it was a fatality or not.
Ya_know:
Here where I work now we use the smaller CAT 777 (easier to maintain in the Arctic). They run ~140 tons. Where I used to work in Arizona we were using the Komatsu 300 and 320 ton trucks. They be huge monsters. We do not use water in the tires due to the much additional weight (8.34 pounds per gallon), so they are your basic BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG Stoopid Truck Tires ;) . Plus up here the tires would probably be a freezin' all the time. It bein' a nice balmy -27°F today here in the Northwest Arctic. :D
Ok. It's real. Barrel and all :D
Link (http://www.enlacesconcristo.org/HaulTruckAccident1PJV.JPG)
WebHead
January 7th, 2004, 04:52 PM
Thats pretty cool. So how do we explain the guy with the half-knee? :p
Gollo
January 7th, 2004, 04:53 PM
Thats pretty cool. So how do we explain the guy with the half-knee? :p
Somebody mentioned reflective tape. I would agree with that.
Somebody mentioned reflective tape. I would agree with that.
RIOT
January 7th, 2004, 05:05 PM
Thats pretty cool. So how do we explain the guy with the half-knee? :p
As someone else mentioned, the truck could be real with the people placed in front of the truck. This would be like the picture with the shark jumping out of the water about to eat the military person climbing a rope ladder onto a helicopter in the San Fransisco Bay. Both real pictures, just not real together...
Plus, I don't think reflective tape could cause an illusion like that.
As someone else mentioned, the truck could be real with the people placed in front of the truck. This would be like the picture with the shark jumping out of the water about to eat the military person climbing a rope ladder onto a helicopter in the San Fransisco Bay. Both real pictures, just not real together...
Plus, I don't think reflective tape could cause an illusion like that.
Ya_know
January 7th, 2004, 05:37 PM
Plus, I don't think reflective tape could cause an illusion like that.
Have you ever taken a picture of reflective tape? Even better with a flash? I once had some reflective tape spun around some drum sticks cause it looked cool under the lights, one day I was spinning them between my fingers, and someone took my picture using the flash. The visual was, awesome!
That said, it is completely plausible…
Have you ever taken a picture of reflective tape? Even better with a flash? I once had some reflective tape spun around some drum sticks cause it looked cool under the lights, one day I was spinning them between my fingers, and someone took my picture using the flash. The visual was, awesome!
That said, it is completely plausible…
FatalException0E
January 7th, 2004, 08:53 PM
The zoom of that half-knee does look pretty bad. But why the heck would someone bother chopping in the people on a pic like that? Was it a rival contruction firm who wanted to make these people look bad? BTW, Maj Kong, I'd like that image.
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Gollo
January 8th, 2004, 12:27 AM
The zoom of that half-knee does look pretty bad. But why the heck would someone bother chopping in the people on a pic like that? Was it a rival contruction firm who wanted to make these people look bad? BTW, Maj Kong, I'd like that image.
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I have the pic linked in one of my previous posts. Cheers.
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