WMDs?

[silencio]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36463

Hmmm?

[JayBee]

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Woohoo lets go and bombify them and find the penguins of mass destruction

[Stalemate]

I think more than a few people were already expecting that to become publicly recognized by the media in the long run.

I know I was hoping for it.

[gazzak]

Most people who can think rationally figured this out a while ago, (so I heard ;) ).

You give a dictator 6 months notice that you're coming to invade and find his WMD's, and expect them to sit there and do jack sh*t with them! They were probably in Syria before we were eating Christmas Dinner in 2002.

[Cleetus]

So let me get this straight, cause it leaves a small hole in my logical reasoning on this. Saddam had the weapons, knew for a long time they were coming to get him, he got rid of the weapons but didn't allow the UN to check that he no longer had them, so he knew we would attack, he knew we would destroy his army, then we would eventually find him and his regime was over, never bothered to use these weapons making them ineffective, so now Syria has them, Saddam didn't use them, so we will wait until after election, or hell might even during election of Bush is losing, fight another war against another country that poses no threat to the US homeland, and North Korea will still be sitting there laughing and Osama will still be at large?????

[Ya_know]

You just described the asinine arrogance of the fallen dictator. Yes, he had them, yes, he moved them out of his country, yes, he let the US attack, without renegotiation the weapons inspections...what's so hard to understand about a crazy man?

[Cleetus]

That in his actions and what you are saying by agreeing with what I said, he was actually never a "clear and present danger".

[Tacklebox]

Surprise, surprise, surprise!
-Gomer Pyle

[gazzak]

he knew we would destroy his army, then we would eventually find him and his regime was over,

Saddam was and still is a madman. He never once thought he would lose any war with the allies.

[Ya_know]

That in his actions and what you are saying by agreeing with what I said, he was actually never a "clear and present danger".

Yes he was, to his own people by perpetuating our assault! And what if we didn't attack? He was counting on the UN to stop us so that in a year or so he could smuggle the weapons either back in for use against Israel, Kuwait, or Philadelphia, or perhaps ship them to another terrorist organization, and capitalize on the money, while watching someone else drop chemicals on our allies, or our own soil...by that same rational... ;)

[jmani]

I once found a weapon of mass destruction here in San Francisco....then I noticed it was just a homeless guy poo'ing on the sidewalk.

[WebHead]

This link (http://abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/DailyNews/pnac_030310.html) shows why this game has been going on for quite some time, and none of us knew or know about it.

Bush's Imperialists: 28
Evil Dictators: 3

It's the start of the 4th quarter, and the game is still anyones.

[Stalemate]

Very informative link, Webby.

[meatwad]

I once found a weapon of mass destruction here in San Francisco....then I noticed it was just a homeless guy poo'ing on the sidewalk.

I'm sure there were no shortage of guys willing to put it back where it came from. :uke:

[inferno_gn]

Hi there,

If Saddam was really that evil and got nukes, he would already used them, no question ask...

Ju Leon...

[Cleetus]

Hi there,

If Saddam was really that evil and got nukes, he would already used them, no question ask...

Ju Leon...

Dude, make your own point, I already said that.

[inferno_gn]

Hi there,

*hehe* Well, I say it before in the other post. :) Though, it was my own point, didn't bother reading the post alreadt done. :)

Ju Leon...

[Ya_know]

Dude, make your own point, I already said that.

Dude, you agreed with Inferno...thats not as bad as agreeing with me, why don't you come over to my camp...we have beer!

[Cleetus]

no god, please no more beer right now

[jaeger]

Hi there,

If Saddam was really that evil and got nukes, he would already used them, no question ask...

Ju Leon...

Yeah, good thing he never got his hands on chemical weapons.

[inferno_gn]

Hi there,

Saddam could have done many things and screw up Iraq beyond repair before the US took over. For example, he should bombed all the oil plants out of order.

Maybe, he use his so called WMD during the US invasion forces, too. Well, Saddam isn't all that evil, isn't he?

Ju Leon...

[jaeger]

Hi there,

Saddam could have done many things and screw up Iraq beyond repair before the US took over. For example, he should bombed all the oil plants out of order.

Maybe, he use his so called WMD during the US invasion forces, too. Well, Saddam isn't all that evil, isn't he?

Ju Leon...

He did destroy oil fields the first time around. He didnt get the chance this time because efforts involving Special Forces and airborne units were made to secure the oil fields quickly. Despite this effort, there was still damage to the oil fields.

He didn't use NBCs in the first gulf war because there was a clear understanding that any usage on Coalition troops would result in a new map feature called the Baghdad Crater. He didn't use them in the second probably because they were either hidden, smuggled out of the country, or nonexistant to begin with.

Saddam isn't all that evil? I don't know whether you are a simpleton or just naive to an extraordinary degree. Estimates are 200,000 people 'disappeared' thanks to Saddam's secret police. That's just one facet of how evil that man is. You may have just topped your mad cow statement.

[Ya_know]

...Saddam isn't all that evil? I don't know whether you are a simpleton or just naive to an extraordinary degree. Estimates are 200,000 people 'disappeared' thanks to Saddam's secret police. That's just one facet of how evil that man is. You may have just topped your mad cow statement.

Sing it brotha!

[WebHead]

Hi there,

You're either evil or not evil. There are no varying degrees of evil. Same thing with being gooderly. You're either gooderly or not. That is the end of this paragraph.

Webby...

[WebHead]

Hi there,

One more thing. *lol*
And in George Dubya's case you are either a puppet for an imperialistic group of political leaders or you're not a puppet for an imperialistic group of political leaders.

Webby...

[Jediab]

Why don't all of the people who think that Saddam wasn't all that evil say that to the members of the Iraqi Olympic team and see how they respond? Why don't those people who say that Saddam wasn't all that evil say that to the Kurds and see how they respond?

So come on Inferno, why don't you find an Iraqi person who fled the country and say that to him or her? Be sure to let us know what the response was.

[Cleetus]

So then now we(the USA) are in the business of deposing "evil" leaders who may or may not be killing their own people?

Ok, how about China, good thing Bush wasn't president when Stalin was around, haven't heard to many good things coming out of N Korea lately, so Wesley Clark and Clinton were "bad" for trying and succeeding in taking out Milosivec, or the many other countries and leaders committing atrocities that might be deamed "evil"?

[Jediab]

So then now we(the USA) are in the business of deposing "evil" leaders who may or may not be killing their own people?

Ok, how about China, good thing Bush wasn't president when Stalin was around, haven't heard to many good things coming out of N Korea lately, so Wesley Clark and Clinton were "bad" for trying and succeeding in taking out Milosivec, or the many other countries and leaders committing atrocities that might be deamed "evil"?


Cleetus, relax and take a chill pill. I hate the fact that America is the police force for the world. I think the US sticks it's nose into too many peoples' business. All I am saying is that for those who say that Saddam wasn't evil should say that to those who were effected by him, and see what the response is.

What does that have to do with China, Stalin, N Korea, Wesley Clark, Clinton, and so forth?

[WebHead]

So then now we(the USA) are in the business of deposing "evil" leaders who may or may not be killing their own people?

Ok, how about China, good thing Bush wasn't president when Stalin was around, haven't heard to many good things coming out of N Korea lately, so Wesley Clark and Clinton were "bad" for trying and succeeding in taking out Milosivec, or the many other countries and leaders committing atrocities that might be deamed "evil"?

Awesome. Just awesome. Thx Cleetus. That post is a good'un. :)

[imaeditedbysowulo]

200 years ago we were running Native Americans off their own land and killing those that resisted. 100 years ago people were going to africa and capturing and kidnapping black people and shipping them to this wonderful country to be our slaves.

I think Saddam was a bad guy who abused his powers and hoarded wealth, but if they didn't have oil under all that sand we wouldn't have invaded.

Also, it seems that gas prices are still outrageous. I'd like to see them drop by about 50 cents per gallon.

[Mayet]

Oh great....syrias next by looks like...

I think the threat more stands against us from North Korea and possibly China

Saddam was bad..evil yes and so are many other dictators still ruling their countries...most dictatoes are evil to begin with or turn evil in the efforts to keep power and to keep the masses subdued...fear and propoganda works in the short term. After time people will start rebellion and as the rebellion grows so does the dictators efforts to control it..turning more evil as more people get culled to suit his means of power....end result is a coup with someone taking over more bloody than the first..... or someone like the Us steps in and squishes the ants.....

[Jediab]

Let the ants fume and dont squish them. Let them all do what they want as long as they don't attack the US directly (that means only the 50 states and Puerto Rico), why the heck should we meddle in the affairs of others?

*sigh* I hope we stay the hell out of Syria.

[silencio]

but if they didn't have oil under all that sand we wouldn't have invaded.
Yes. But not in order to make gas prices drop $.50. Oil is money, money is power. The middle east power structure looks a lot like the mafia, each family owns a piece, no-one trusts anyone else, everyone is greedy and wants more, order is kept through swift violence. That violence is spilling out into the world because they have the money and power are there. Eliminating one of those families was a message to the group; manage your organization or we'll do it for you.

No-one in the civilized world wants another world war. Industrialized nations have come a long way in providing for their populations. Outside of the occasional apocolyptic nut, you don't see terrorism in spawning in industrialized nations. But, they grow strong in poverty and ignorance. Is there any reason for most of the 25 Million people of Iraq to live in poverty they produce 2.5 Million barrels of oil per day? The same hold true for the region. The few at the top take everything and keep the masses ignorant through violence and other excercises of power. Leaders do similiar things everywhere but, those in the industrialized nations have learned to keep the people happy. It's easy to be happy and ignorant with a full belly and warm bed. It's time for those people to step into the 20th century. Maybe in another few hundred years they'll make it to the 21st.

Another thing, has anyone else noticed that we decided to take control of a middle east country after Pakistan and India got the bomb?

[jaeger]

So then now we(the USA) are in the business of deposing "evil" leaders who may or may not be killing their own people?

Ok, how about China, good thing Bush wasn't president when Stalin was around, haven't heard to many good things coming out of N Korea lately, so Wesley Clark and Clinton were "bad" for trying and succeeding in taking out Milosivec, or the many other countries and leaders committing atrocities that might be deamed "evil"?

I'd say we are in the business when the price is low. Dealing with North Korea would probably kill hundreds of thousands. Dealing with China may well be impossible, probably unecessary as well, considering that their moves to economic freedoms may well lead to personal freedoms. Lots of places in Africa could use our help, but the costs of stepping into those tribal wars is pulling back a bloody stump.

Iraq would have likely continued down its course for another 50 years or more without intervention. Saddam was healthy and had 2 heirs. Attempted revolutions were stomped out extremely quickly. We had the ability, we did the job. I just hope we can fix the place up after the fact.

I think we will continue to intervene where we are most likely to succeed though I doubt we will actually invade Syria. Lean with an elbow on their head, yes, but I'm not betting on an invasion.

[Six Eyed Smily]

of course if bush keeps on finding things to fight, noone might notice what an utter idiot he is....


theres the justification for iraq :(

[Cleetus]

This is interesting (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3909150/) Powell now says there was no smoking gun of any direct connection with Osama's group.

[Jediab]

of course if bush keeps on finding things to fight, noone might notice what an utter idiot he is....


theres the justification for iraq :(


BAHH!! The war won't keep people from noticing he is an idiot if the immigration plan goes through. Well, he is an idiot to even think it.

[NooNoo]

So where is the proof there are wmd's on Mars?

[confus-ed]

So where is the proof there are wmd's on Mars?
That should of course read ...
"So where is the proof there are wmd's in Iraq ?" :D

Most important development this week: Peace moves between the Indians & Pakistanis (they are both nuclear powers !) ... :thumbs: ..we sure don't want them fighting too !

This'll help smoke out more terrorists than George is ever gonna manage in a month of Sundays ;) (they all went to hide in Pakistan) ...

...now if he could just get those talks between Israelis & the Palestians back on track, then the whole of the middle east might stop being so 'angry' with the US.

BTW ... I thought the whole thing is now pretty transparent, Powell has 'coughed' to the intelligence being 'bogus' (well overstated maybe!) see Cleetus's link :), so it was either oil or a vote winner. :eek2:

[NooNoo]

That should of course read ...
"So where is the proof there are wmd's in Iraq ?" :D


Nope, Bush has announced American trips to Mars.

[confus-ed]

Nope, Bush has announced American trips to Mars.

:D ... I know, I ain't that confus-ed, well I am, I'm worse ! but not about that ;)

Another 'random vote winning' idea ... so are the two so dis-similar ?

(obviously my linking of the two ideas was confus-ed or something that folk don't often complain about - too subtle ! :D:D:D)

[gazzak]

So where is the proof there are wmd's on Mars?

I think Beagle 2 proved that without doubt. Have you seen the crater that made?

[Escape_Driver]

I just hope there are no WMD on Uranus.... We all know Bush would love to go there !!!

[TripleRLtd]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=1&u=/nm/20040110/ts_nm/iraq_chemicals_dc
Danish troops found 36 120mm mortar rounds on Friday in southern Iraq. The Danish army said the rounds had been buried for at least 10 years.

[silencio]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=1&u=/nm/20040110/ts_nm/iraq_chemicals_dc*Note to man 1000 years from now: Archeologoy in teh persian gulf can be hazardous to your health.

[Ya_know]

*Note to man 1000 years from now: Archeologoy in teh persian gulf can be hazardous to your health.

Ok, I just pee'd myself. Thanks... :grin:

[imaeditedbysowulo]

*Note to man 1000 years from now: Archeologoy in teh persian gulf can be hazardous to your health.


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