Poll. Did Bush Mislead us about the Weapons of Mass Destruction.

[techs]

Let's keep it simple. This poll only covers the time leading up to the war. It is asking whether Bush made any statements that IN YOUR OPINION he knew were not true.
This poll will expire in ten days.

[gazzak]

I think you're missing the word "deliberately".

[Zil]

Don't forget that alot of Congressmen and other nations were also "duped" into saying things that were not true.

Like this guy:

"In 1991, the world collectively made a judgment that this man should not have weapons of mass destruction. And we are here today in the year 2002 with an un-inspected four-year interval during which time we know through intelligence he not only has kept them, but he continues to grow them... .The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new."

Sen. John Kerry (D.-Mass.)
Foreign Relations Committee member
Floor speech, Oct. 9, 2002

http://www.house.gov/mica/iraqquotes.htm

Full speech:

http://www.independentsforkerry.org/uploads/media/kerry-iraq.html

[techs]

Don't forget that alot of Congressmen and other nations were also "duped" into saying things that were not true.

Like this guy:

"In 1991, the world collectively made a judgment that this man should not have weapons of mass destruction. And we are here today in the year 2002 with an un-inspected four-year interval during which time we know through intelligence he not only has kept them, but he continues to grow them... .The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new."

Sen. John Kerry (D.-Mass.)
Foreign Relations Committee member
Floor speech, Oct. 9, 2002

http://www.house.gov/mica/iraqquotes.htm

Full speech:

http://www.independentsforkerry.org/uploads/media/kerry-iraq.html

However, the inspections resumed. And the wmd were destroyed (or sent away) and Bush who had promised he would ask for a UN vote didn't ask cause he knew he would lose so he broke his promise to the American people and Congress and courageous Senators like Kerry who had voted with Bush when he promised he wouldn't go without a vote decided that without the UN and without the wmd being there that we shouldn't go.
Hence the I actually voted for the resolution until I voted against. He knew Bush lied and people would die for no good reason. Once again showing the courage Bush lacks.

[imaeditedbysowulo]

I don't think George knew what was really going on. I still don't think he knows what's going on. When really important top level security meetings are taking place, I picture them giving George a slinky or something and having him sit in the corner playing with it, all the while just amazed at the super neat toy they have given him. Maybe one day it's an etch-a-sketch, maybe another day it's a rubix cube. Who knows, but I think Dick Cheney deliberately mislead people.

[TripleRLtd]

However, the inspections resumed. And the wmd were destroyed (or sent away) and Bush who had promised he would ask for a UN vote didn't ask cause he knew he would lose so he broke his promise to the American people and Congress and courageous Senators like Kerry who had voted with Bush when he promised he wouldn't go without a vote decided that without the UN and without the wmd being there that we shouldn't go.
Hence the I actually voted for the resolution until I voted against. He knew Bush lied and people would die for no good reason. Once again showing the courage Bush lacks.WTF????http://forums.windrivers.com/images/smilies/confused.gif (http://forums.windrivers.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies#) are you talking about now techs???
Damn man!! This ****e is getting sooo old!!
Are you a member of a polical forum? If not: WHY not? Are you trying to convert WD to YOUR way of thinking? Get freaking real man!! So many of us are sooo sick of ALL this bull****e!! I mean: DAMN MAN!! If you care THAT freeding much about all of this, why the hell aren't YOU at the DNC???
What the hell are you doing here sprouting your crap?? I am SO FREAKING TIRED of your politics: whiich isn't politics btw, but witchhunting, and election posturing, that you make me want to freaking puke!!!http://forums.windrivers.com/images/smilies/puke.gif (http://forums.windrivers.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies#)
I have been here a year now, and I have yet to see anyone start more posts than you do, with less responses!! Do you get the correlation????
People are SOO sick of this crap!!
That does NOT mean we don't care about politics and the things that matter here, but DAMN man, you go WAY to far!! Will there EVER be a day where you stop the SERMONIZING and EVANGELIZING????
What? Is politics a freaking religion with you??? If so, than freaking run for office somewhere, but NOT here PLEASE!!!

[Zil]

However, the inspections resumed. And the wmd were destroyed (or sent away) and Bush who had promised he would ask for a UN vote didn't ask cause he knew he would lose so he broke his promise to the American people and Congress and courageous Senators like Kerry who had voted with Bush when he promised he wouldn't go without a vote decided that without the UN and without the wmd being there that we shouldn't go.
Hence the I actually voted for the resolution until I voted against. He knew Bush lied and people would die for no good reason. Once again showing the courage Bush lacks.

Ever heard of UN resolution 1441? It was a month after your boy said that. And Bush didn't get that second resolution (which wasn't neccessary) because France, Germany and Russia wouldn't go along because of their oil deals.

http://ods-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N02/682/26/PDF/N0268226.pdf?OpenElement

If he knew Bush lied, why didn't he vote against the measure in Congress? Your logic makes no sense. Presented with the facts that Kerry said this, you still weasel your way out of facing the truth. No wonder no one respects you.

[Wayward Clam]

I have to admit that I think it is possible that Bush is merely stupid, not evil, and that those who hold his puppet strings are the ones who deceived us deliberately...

[Orangeman]

WTF????http://forums.windrivers.com/images/smilies/confused.gif (http://forums.windrivers.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies#) are you talking about now techs???
Damn man!! This ****e is getting sooo old!!
Are you a member of a polical forum? If not: WHY not? Are you trying to convert WD to YOUR way of thinking? Get freaking real man!! So many of us are sooo sick of ALL this bull****e!! I mean: DAMN MAN!! If you care THAT freeding much about all of this, why the hell aren't YOU at the DNC???
What the hell are you doing here sprouting your crap?? I am SO FREAKING TIRED of your politics: whiich isn't politics btw, but witchhunting, and election posturing, that you make me want to freaking puke!!!http://forums.windrivers.com/images/smilies/puke.gif (http://forums.windrivers.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies#)
I have been here a year now, and I have yet to see anyone start more posts than you do, with less responses!! Do you get the correlation????
People are SOO sick of this crap!!
That does NOT mean we don't care about politics and the things that matter here, but DAMN man, you go WAY to far!! Will there EVER be a day where you stop the SERMONIZING and EVANGELIZING????
What? Is politics a freaking religion with you??? If so, than freaking run for office somewhere, but NOT here PLEASE!!!

So Trip,

When are you gonna apologize for all the fights you've tried to start with me tonight?

[techs]

I have to admit that I think it is possible that Bush is merely stupid, not evil, and that those who hold his puppet strings are the ones who deceived us deliberately...

Yes, highly possible.

[Cleetus]

Yes, if they had proof before we went to war, and supposedly knew where they were at, then how the hell with todays technology did they suddenly lose all of them with the exception of a couple of shells?

[jitBob]

WTF????http://forums.windrivers.com/images/smilies/confused.gif (http://forums.windrivers.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies#) are you talking about now techs???
Damn man!! This ****e is getting sooo old!!
Are you a member of a polical forum? If not: WHY not? Are you trying to convert WD to YOUR way of thinking? Get freaking real man!! So many of us are sooo sick of ALL this bull****e!! I mean: DAMN MAN!! If you care THAT freeding much about all of this, why the hell aren't YOU at the DNC???
What the hell are you doing here sprouting your crap?? I am SO FREAKING TIRED of your politics: whiich isn't politics btw, but witchhunting, and election posturing, that you make me want to freaking puke!!!http://forums.windrivers.com/images/smilies/puke.gif (http://forums.windrivers.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies#)
I have been here a year now, and I have yet to see anyone start more posts than you do, with less responses!! Do you get the correlation????
People are SOO sick of this crap!!
That does NOT mean we don't care about politics and the things that matter here, but DAMN man, you go WAY to far!! Will there EVER be a day where you stop the SERMONIZING and EVANGELIZING????
What? Is politics a freaking religion with you??? If so, than freaking run for office somewhere, but NOT here PLEASE!!!
Have you never been mellow? http://forums.windrivers.com/images/smilies/smile.gif

[Commander Klarg]

I have to admit that I think it is possible that Bush is merely stupid, not evil, and that those who hold his puppet strings are the ones who deceived us deliberately...


Possible? That's an understatement.

I think that Bush and company heard what they wanted to hear, and saw what they wanted to see as far as the intelligence is concerned, without putting a healthy dose of scrutiny in the mix.

This quote probably represents my take on it: Never attribute to malice that which can be attributed to stupidity.


My $0.02, keep the change.

[ilovetheusers]

Stupid topic. BS, BS, BS.

[ilovetheusers]

Yes, if they had proof before we went to war, and supposedly knew where they were at, then how the hell with todays technology did they suddenly lose all of them with the exception of a couple of shells?


How does a trillion $$$ in drug traffic (I made that # up) occur in the most advanced nation in the world?

[Cleetus]

Cause we want the drugs

[Ya_know]

WTF????http://forums.windrivers.com/images/smilies/confused.gif (http://forums.windrivers.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies#) Get freaking real man!! So many of us are sooo sick of ALL this bull****e!!

I for one am not sick of it. So don't speak for me... :thumbs: It keeps the site alive if you ask me!

[Cleetus]

How does a trillion $$$ in drug traffic (I made that # up) occur in the most advanced nation in the world?
Oh yeah, and we never showed "proof" to the UN on exactly where the drugs were being made, sent in a force as big as we did for Iraq then somehow lose track of all of them. I mean really, if we are attacking them to get rid of WMD's, cause we are afraid they would use them, wouldn't we be keeping better track of them to help our forces as they attack, in case they are used? Which once again, was the reason for disarming in the first place?

[techs]

Oh yeah, and we never showed "proof" to the UN on exactly where the drugs were being made, sent in a force as big as we did for Iraq then somehow lose track of all of them. I mean really, if we are attacking them to get rid of WMD's, cause we are afraid they would use them, wouldn't we be keeping better track of them to help our forces as they attack, in case they are used? Which once again, was the reason for disarming in the first place?

Rumsfeld said "We know exactly where they are"

[nunob]

I for one could care less about the wmd it boils down to some evil putz was killing people and threatening the rest of the worlds freedoms. Is it right for someone to just kill whomever they want and lead through terror I for one say hell no! Kill em all and let God sort em out!

[Cleetus]

I for one could care less about the wmd it boils down to some evil putz was killing people and threatening the rest of the worlds freedoms. Is it right for someone to just kill whomever they want and lead through terror I for one say hell no! Kill em all and let God sort em out!
So was there a problem with Clinton lieing about the blowjob?

[nunob]

So was there a problem with Clinton lieing about the blowjob?
Not only I do I think he was a liar I feel that instead of getting a hummer he should have tried to do something about letting Sadam carry on with his terror and brutality of his people.

[techs]

I for one could care less about the wmd it boils down to some evil putz was killing people and threatening the rest of the worlds freedoms. Is it right for someone to just kill whomever they want and lead through terror I for one say hell no! Kill em all and let God sort em out!

By that reasoning we should be invading N. Korea, Iran, Sudan, Somalia, etc?

[Cleetus]

Not only I do I think he was a liar I feel that instead of getting a hummer he should have tried to do something about letting Sadam carry on with his terror and brutality of his people.
Bush Sr didn't do that either, so is he to blame as well?

[jitBob]

I for one could care less about the wmd it boils down to some evil putz was killing people and threatening the rest of the worlds freedoms. Is it right for someone to just kill whomever they want and lead through terror I for one say hell no! Kill em all and let God sort em out!
I was quaking in terror with worry that the evil dictator of a country of sand was going to come over here and defeat our armed services, deprive me of my freedom and get all the white women. Get real.

Saddam was an evil man who is getting what he deserves, but being lied to about the reason we had to go in there is an awful bitter pill.

[jitBob]

Not only I do I think he was a liar I feel that instead of getting a hummer he should have tried to do something about letting Sadam carry on with his terror and brutality of his people.
Like the Cleet one says, Bush the first is really to blame. President Clinton continued his (Bush's) policy of containment. We had a large coalition of troops there that could have finished the job in 1991, instead we stopped. Does that make George Sr weak?

[edball]

I for one could care less about the wmd it boils down to some evil putz was killing people and threatening the rest of the worlds freedoms. Is it right for someone to just kill whomever they want and lead through terror I for one say hell no! Kill em all and let God sort em out!
Is it right for us to follow a leader that is a terror to the mid-east ? How many innocent people do you think our bombs have killed ? Kill em all and let God sort them out ? Really ? This is what the "Good" people do ?

[nunob]

Like the Cleet one says, Bush the first is really to blame. President Clinton continued his (Bush's) policy of containment. We had a large coalition of troops there that could have finished the job in 1991, instead we stopped. Does that make George Sr weak?
Are you high? Clinton launched a few missles that did nothing. The first war with Bush Sr. was to free a country which we did.

[Cleetus]

So Saddam was a nice guy with no WMD's when Bush pushed him out and didn't go bad until Clinton was in office?

[nunob]

I was quaking in terror with worry that the evil dictator of a country of sand was going to come over here and defeat our armed services, deprive me of my freedom and get all the white women. Get real.




Whats to stop him from training a handful of terrorists to hijack a few planes and fly them into a building and kill people. Or maybe the jackass would think to make ricin or a nuke and carry it onto the plane and then fly it into a building. I would rather take the fight to them than try and stop them from killing people.

[edball]

Whats to stop him from training a handful of terrorists to hijack a few planes and fly them into a building and kill people. Or maybe the jackass would think to make ricin or a nuke and carry it onto the plane and then fly it into a building. I would rather take the fight to them than try and stop them from killing people.
The first thing that comes to mind is that we would destroy any country that would help someone attack us. Oh wait, we destroyed them anyway. Maybe we'll encourage others to attack us now, seeing how we attack other countries unprovoked.

[nunob]

The first thing that comes to mind is that we would destroy any country that would help someone attack us. Oh wait, we destroyed them anyway. Maybe we'll encourage others to attack us now, seeing how we attack other countries unprovoked.
Sweet idea!

[jitBob]

Are you high? Clinton launched a few missles that did nothing. The first war with Bush Sr. was to free a country which we did.
Nope, not high. Haven't been for 15 years. And you?

Better re-read your history on what President Clinton did do to Iraq during his term in office.

[jitBob]

Whats to stop him from training a handful of terrorists to hijack a few planes and fly them into a building and kill people. Or maybe the jackass would think to make ricin or a nuke and carry it onto the plane and then fly it into a building. I would rather take the fight to them than try and stop them from killing people.
What's to stop ANY country from doing that? Are you paranoid?

[nunob]

What's to stop ANY country from doing that? Are you paranoid?
Not paranoid just a firm believer in fighting the fight where American civillians dont have to die.

[nunob]

Nope, not high. Haven't been for 15 years. And you?

Weed free since 93'. :D

[jitBob]

Weed free since 93'. :D
Congratulations. http://forums.windrivers.com/images/smilies/thumbs.gif

[nunob]

Congratulations. http://forums.windrivers.com/images/smilies/thumbs.gif
Thank you.

[Ya_know]

Better re-read your history on what President Clinton did do to Iraq during his term in office.


What's the point here? He dropped a few bombs, and helped in continuing sanctions, all right around the time of the blow job coming out in the courts. Remember the whole "Wag the Dog" conspiracy there? Or did you forget some of your history too???

[techs]

Thank you.
thanks to bill :thumbs:

[Cleetus]

What's the point here? He dropped a few bombs, and helped in continuing sanctions, all right around the time of the blow job coming out in the courts. Remember the whole "Wag the Dog" conspiracy there? Or did you forget some of your history too???
Or maybe by coincidence they happened at the same time, yet the right wing media sure as hell wasn't going to let that possibility happen, so we get the story as you tell it....

[Shard92]

Bush did the right thing. Saddam either had them or sure acted like he did. ( maybe he was misinformed and thought they had them ) Besides the cease-fire ( peace was never declared we were technically still at war ) with Iraq by UN decision was under certain conditions that Saddam contuously broke. The UN ( once again ) wimped out and said you better listen to us or we'll talk to you again.... the time for talk was over and we finished what we started way back when...

[Cleetus]

Bush did the right thing. Saddam either had them or sure acted like he did. ( maybe he was misinformed and thought they had them ) Besides the cease-fire ( peace was never declared we were technically still at war ) with Iraq by UN decision was under certain conditions that Saddam contuously broke. The UN ( once again ) wimped out and said you better listen to us or we'll talk to you again.... the time for talk was over and we finished what we started way back when...
No, we went after him the first time to take him out of Kuwait, the very same reason why Bush the first never took out Saddam. We went in with a mission, and succeeded at it.

[Ya_know]

No, we went after him the first time to take him out of Kuwait, the very same reason why Bush the first never took out Saddam. We went in with a mission, and succeeded at it.

No, Bush senior always wanted to oust Saddam, it was under the UN Decision and pressure on the coalition to stop advancing following the liberation of Kuwait.

[nunob]

No, Bush senior always wanted to oust Saddam, it was under the UN Decision and pressure on the coalition to stop advancing following the liberation of Kuwait.


Guess Cleetus's left wing media forgot to tell him that. Of course thats all part of the liberal dillusion that you have been brain washed into.

[Shard92]

thanks and by the way the point is the war back then NEVER ENDED. It was a cease fire while saddam complied to the UN stipulations. He did not therefore whether or not it was the stated reason we had PLENTY of reason to go in. If the UN won't uphold it's own decisions we might as well do it.... especially since we always get pulled in when the un screws up.....

[inferno_gn]

Hi there,

Well, for Iraq, yes. But, don't the US have these kind of weapons at home? The thing that really bugs me if peoples like Bush used forces to stop other countries from having them, but in fact, they got themselves a few. Don't say they will never be used, but who knows.

If you're not going to used them, why bother keeping them and wasting money on it?

Ju Leon...

[Cleetus]

No, Bush senior always wanted to oust Saddam, it was under the UN Decision and pressure on the coalition to stop advancing following the liberation of Kuwait.
So it was up to his son to find a way around the UN and do what his dad wanted?

[Ya_know]

So it was up to his son to find a way around the UN and do what his dad wanted?

Sure, make the spin lefty...it's your own fabrication however.

[Cleetus]

Sure, make the spin lefty...it's your own fabrication however.
Whatever, Republican lapdog :rolleyes:

[techs]

I just want to see my name as the last poster in ever thread in Politicos.

[techs]

How does a trillion $$$ in drug traffic (I made that # up) occur in the most advanced nation in the world?

Drugs go to where the money is. We got the money.