[RESOLVED] Just Curious... "good" modems?

[Ruahrc]

I have always thought that a modem was a modem. The no-name $10 modem was just as good as the $60 brand name one when it came right down to it (Providing they were of equal protocal like v.90, etc.)

Am I correct? I mean when my phone lines only permit 28.8k/sec, a "better" modem doesn't do crap?

What about the diff between PCI and ISA? I had to buy a new modem because I lost my ISA slots in an upgrade, so I got a Diamond SupraMax PCI because it was the cheapest one. What does PCI Actually do for the modem?

Ruahrc

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[SiCkNuT]

The difference in price seems to be reliability. I've had problems before with the cheaper modems, dropouts & slow speeds. I suppose that if you are lucky you may find a cheap modem that does just a good of a job as a more expensive one. The difference between ISA and PCI isn't much. There is no difference in speed as the communication speed between both ISA and PCI slots and the modem card is well above the speed of the phone line. PCI modems are all plug and play whereas the not all the ISA ones are.

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[StevePorter]

So called "winmodems" are software modems intended to integrate into the Win9x environment. The more expensive hardware modems (some internal modems and all external modems) have all the necessary hardware and firmware to act independently. Many have discovered that W2K simply ignores everything but a good quality hardware modem. In summary, you get what you pay for... http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum/smilies/cwm19.gif

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[ReBoot]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">all external modems</font>
Careful here. Some external modems are winmodems. They are USB externals, and there's at least two I know of, both with Rockwell/conexant HCF chipsets.

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[Eagle PC Diagnostech]

I've always used and trusted US Robotics modems.
Haven't had to replace many in 7 years, (3 at most).

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[parning]

I do tech support for a software that uses a modem interface, so I've had to deal with thousands of modems. Of all of them, I've found that anything by US Robotics (except their Winmodems http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum/smilies/cwm21.gif ) are good, strong workers that maintain stable connections and don't cause excessive grey-hair growth.

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[iccrmman]

Phone lines limited to 28.8? That's a weird one. A family member of mine had a rockwell type winmodem, wouldn't connect higher than 38.3. Switched to a U.S. robotics 56k and now connects consistently at 53.3k. Also some ISP's(like mine)have compatability issues with rockwell type winmodems(ie. forcing lower connection speeds).

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[MacGyver]

USRobotics (now owned by 3com) makes the best modems out there, save their winmodems which suck your CPU. If you can get your hands on a USR Courier, you'll never go back! http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum/biggrin.gif

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[jfesler]

We use the Diamond modems all the time. They are inexpensive and very reliable. We have been using them for over a year. We tested them quite a bit before selling them. They generally connected faster than 3Com. Averaged about the same amount of drops. When buying them in bulk, we have received the wrong driver CD with the particular model we received. We simply download the driver and go about life.

[WebJedi_Master]

My recommended list:

1. USR/3com (I've had no problems with USR winmodems but avoid all others like the plague)
2. Diamond Supras are good.
3. Global Village teleports.

My Avoid list.

1. Anything that has HSP or Conexant in the name. http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum/smile.gif
A clue will be on the package or requirement that the modem requires either a P166MMX or faster or requres windows 95 or later. A hardware modem will not require either of these.

Basically, what you money you save buying a cheap modem you spend ten times over with your own time and frustration.

You will get a LOT of dropped connections and failed connections, as well as poor overall performance with a software driven modem. I make an exception with the USR "winmodems" as they seem to have no impact on the CPU, and in my experience they work just as reliably as the hardware USRs.

But I took a risk when I got mine, so I recommend sticking completely with a hardware modem.

I'm glad you asked before you bought, as at the ISP I work at clients will buy a $30 modem (cdn) and then expect us support fellas to fix it.



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[parning]

Update:

My ever-loving sister has an LT Winmodem. It used to work fine when she lived in the city, but now that she's moved to a relatively rural area, it doesn't stay connected to her ISP.

My suggested cure: a USR 56K modem. Her solution: buy the cheapest modem she could find at Costco. An Award something. Guess what? It didn't work any better than the LT!

So guess who's driving up to his sister's house and installing a USR?

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[captpackrat]

I had a Diamond something or other modem a long time back, and it was terribly unreliable. It would freeze up, and nothing I did would reset the modem, short of powering off the system. I finally got fed up and went out and bought a USR external modem, specifically so I could power it off if it locked up. Never had any problems with it. I don't use it anymore, now that I have cable modem. My Sony laptop had a Winmodem, but it actually seemed to be pretty decent. I haven't used the modem on my new HP laptop yet, it's an ESS Winmodem, should be interesting to see how well it'll work.

At work, I specced out 3COM hardware modems, both ISA and PCI, for our product. I wouldn't settle for anything less, even though LT Winmodems would have cost 1/4 as much.

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[Ruahrc]

I guess I made a good choice then: My Diamond Supra has Conexant chips on it. I'm pretty sure it's a hardware modem because it has that big square thing on it, right?

I used to have an ActionTec ISA Modem that I got for free after rebates. It actually worked just fine, it dropped a lot but I think that was the ISP's fault because for a while before I upgraded I didn't notice it dropping as much.

One thing though: The PCI modems I've worked with seem to respond slower than the ISA ones I've seen. (Both Cheapo brand and Brand names like USR) For instance: My Supra PCI modem will take longer to pick up (access the dial tone) and hang up than the ISA USR I have in a diff. computer. Also, when the Supra PCI picks/hangs up it will freeze the mouse for a split second as it uses the modem (PS/2 Mouse) I also noticed this on a friend's PCI Modem. All the ISA's I've seen don't do this. Any input? It's not a problem just wondering why it does that.

Ruahrc

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[iamyourtech]

us robotics is by far the best out there(not the winmodem) always connected with a strong connection never less than 50,999
diamond supramax also was very good had one on the same connection and always pulled a 49,999...and both actually loaded pages quick ..i find these 15.00 winmodems sometimes say they connect at high speeds but you can tell the difference...TIME they slow down your whole pc ....time is money and you don't live forever
cable and dsl are the way to go

[Emerald Knight]

Another thing that can have effect on Dial-ups is distance from sub-stations. I'm several hundred yards from mine and I have a USR and connect at 38,666. A friend in the next town over lives right off the main street and has a very consistant 50+ connection. Not sure what his Dell has in it but I'm sure for what they billed it isn't a LT Win modem. Aside from the faster connection I have with my 3Comm (had a LT before) seems like i get droped just as much but I attribute that to the phone lines. Hurry up cable !!!!!!!! (can't pass the loop back for DSL:-(

[Robert Humphrey]

I had a UPS tech come into the shop to fix what they thoght was a bad modem. When he got there he realized that it was not the modem at all. So... he askes if anyone would like the modem he brought with him since he has a trunk full of them in his car. I said why not, and stuck it in a drawer in my desk. Last month I started to put together a new system for myself, and found that I would have to wait until mid March 01 for DSL at my house. So I dug out the modem that the UPS tech had given me, to my surprise, it was a USR Courier V.Everything Internal! This is flat out the best modem I have ever seen. Have you seen the prices for these things?!?!?!?!?

[bluewest11]

I have known US Robotics have hardware conflict issues in the past. I would recommend a Rockwell based chipset modem for performance and reliability.

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[Pfred]

WOW, a lot of conflicting information here:

My 2 cents:
USR are typically great: sofware based modems can be tricky; they seem to be 'allergic' to certain machines.

PCI vs ISA internals: while pci is a 32 bit interface & most isa modems are now 16 bit; 115k is kinda slow for either bus to have trouble.

conflicts: strange stuff going bump when working with it & the modem.

normal HW use 2 resources; SW [ winmodems, lt is Lucent Tech.] use 3, if there are any conflicts; strange things can occur.

[NooToo]

An external hardware modem invariably performs better than an internal and, if the modem is on a networked pc, it cannot clash with the nic. Trying to get a 3com winmodem out of irq bed with a 3com nic is about the most frustating exercise I can remember



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[Antimatter]

We recommend to our customers to install USR modems but they usually decide on the cheaper LT win modems(we avoid Conexant whenever on new systems & upgrades). Only problem with the LT modems is they don't like to share IRQs with anything else. Otherwise they seem to connect consistently from 38-52k.
The best modems we've come across are actually one particular cheapo ISA Rockwell R21 based model(KTX unknown manufacturer). They connect consistently at 56k(Confirmed with multiple downloads from different locations). I wish they still made them!

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[AlienDyne]

US-R Modems rock! Don't buy though, a US-R Winmodem. You might have trouble.

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[ZATH 2099]

100 tech's cant be wrong usr modems are excellent modems.

But when your are shopping for a modem you don't want a winmodem not only are they less reliable and slower but you lose valuable system rescources.

Alot of modems are sold with very little to say about what kind of hardware is actually on the card (Instead you get three hours worth of sales pitch about "connecting yourself with the rest of the world.)

If you can find one get a linux compatible modem.(yes even if you don't use linux!) The linux os cannot support winmodems (yet.)and so you are assured of getting a hardware modem if you get one that is linux compatible.

[markpower60]

USR 2976 for around $60 is the best internal modem you can get. also try to tweak you internet connection

[bohr]

3COM/USR ARE THE TOP DOGS, except their winmodems, but they do cost more.
(Didn't 3com and usr just split apart a couple of months ago???)
Love GVC modems especially their ISA ones for older PII's or pentiums and so on.

Sell assorted modems by Jaton and Smartlink for the el cheapo people or cheap systems. They do work pretty good for being cheap.

Avoid Motorola modems at all costs!!!! http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum/smilies/cwm23.gif http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum/smilies/cwm23.gif

[Pfred]

Ya, Motorola not only just announced an additional 7k layoff; but like 3 years ago sold their modem division.

[MacGyver]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Robert Humphrey:
he askes if anyone would like the modem he brought with him since he has a trunk full of them in his car....So I dug out the modem that the UPS tech had given me, to my surprise, it was a USR Courier V.Everything Internal! This is flat out the best modem I have ever seen. Have you seen the prices for these things?!?!?!?!?</font>

You got a great modem there. Do yourself a favour, don't ever sell it and keep it forever. Those things were/are legendary in the old BBS days...

DID YOU GET ANYMORE OF THEM??!?!?!?!?!

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[CobraTekMax]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by bluewest11:
I have known US Robotics have hardware conflict issues in the past. I would recommend a Rockwell based chipset modem for performance and reliability.

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Sorry, but I absolutely cannot agree here. In their best days, Rocwell was what I'd call "passable", as in it would work as absolute last choice alternative. Ever since they were bought out by Connexant, Rockwell has degraded, and their modems are absolute junk.

The only Winmodem I trust is Cirrus Logic, end of story. But I'll take a hardware modem any day, and USR is the cream of the crop.

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[NTTECH1]

LOts of WinModems out there, I buy SmartLink PCI Modems no problems, But still like the Hardware modems. I belive smartlink makes hardware modem also. For Win 2K Hardware Modem is the only way to go.

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[scutterboy]

The other day I asked for help with Internet connection sharing... I was on a job where I had just 3 PC's sharing a winmodem. They can all surf the net and send email which was all that was needed through a $20 modem...
You get what you pay for but that was all they needed.. http://forums.windrivers.com/cgi-bin/forum/smilies/cwm7.gif

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