Stock market falls below 10,000.

[techs]

George Bush: Making America safe from economic growth for almost 4 years.
You think this is what he meant by "We've turned the corner"?

[paraflyer]

So what would you have done?

[Wayward Clam]

Ok just wondering... how can you claim to be right of Nader?

You're lefter than anyone I have ever met in my life, and my entire family is composed of leftist activists.

[techs]

Ok just wondering... how can you claim to be right of Nader?

You're lefter than anyone I have ever met in my life, and my entire family is composed of leftist activists.
Must make for some interesting Thanksgivings.

[paraflyer]

George Bush: Making America safe from economic growth for almost 4 years.
You think this is what he meant by "We've turned the corner"?

Yep...it's all Bush's fault that the Russian oil conglomerate Yukos has problems paying its back taxes.

Yep, it's Bush's fault that OPEC cannot decide if they can keep crude pricing below $50 per barrel.

Yep, it's Bush's fault the stock market tanked because of market worries over oil futures and transportation costs.

Read about the stock situation in the local paper's business section at lunch, two AP articles, by Mike Martinez and Brad Foss.

[Wayward Clam]

Actually, the consequences of all of those things ARE Bush's fault. It's him and his lackeys that have made and continue to keep America breastfeeding off of oil wells instead of finally weaning it off.

[techs]

Actually, the consequences of all of those things ARE Bush's fault. It's him and his lackeys that have made and continue to keep America breastfeeding off of oil wells instead of finally weaning it off.

Once again you are correct, O wise one.
Plus the stock market didn't move for 3.5 years. So what is Bush excuse for that? And his plan for "economic growth"? After three years, nothing. But we do have record deficits. BTW anyone notice jobs creation has tanked? The estimate is 32,000. but they reduced the previous two month estimates. So we might amazingly have lost jobs again this month.
Worse and worse and worse.

[Diver01]

Yep...it's all Bush's fault that the Russian oil conglomerate Yukos has problems paying its back taxes.

Yep, it's Bush's fault that OPEC cannot decide if they can keep crude pricing below $50 per barrel.

Yep, it's Bush's fault the stock market tanked because of market worries over oil futures and transportation costs.

Read about the stock situation in the local paper's business section at lunch, two AP articles, by Mike Martinez and Brad Foss.

I think the point everyone has to realize is that everything in the known universe including but not limited to:

Global Warming
Unemployment
Taxes
Gas Prices
death
life
war
peace
hunger
obesiety
poor
The poor
The Rich
Hurricanes
Tornadoes
Lightning Strikes
Power Outages
Money Shortages
Extremist Groups
Hippies
Economy
Bad Breath
Iron Deficienty
High Blood Pressure
Low Blood Pressure
Bad Backs
weak knees
Migranes
Cancer
Aids
Herpes
Toumers
Strokes
Heart Attacks
Bird poop on your new car
Cloudy days
Rainy weekends
plane crashes
train crashes
Car crashes
High insurance rates
ect...

Is George Bushes Fault

[paraflyer]

Actually, the consequences of all of those things ARE Bush's fault. It's him and his lackeys that have made and continue to keep America breastfeeding off of oil wells instead of finally weaning it off.

So, like, oil was never an issue BEFORE Bush?????????

Sherman, set the Wayback Machine to 1977...the great Energy Crisis, and see what Mr Carter was doing to "help oil prices" and "wean the public away from oil".

[techs]

Ever notice that when Bush takes credit for the smallest bit of good economic news some people never want to let you forget it. But when you bring up the overwhelming failures of his economic policy they say its not his fault or that you are trying to blame Bush for everything?
Lets face it Bush has failed the country miserably in the economic area. He is basically on a road to ruin.
It's time to dump him and save our country.

[paraflyer]

Damn, I guess you really ARE hoping for a socialist Utopia.....


Good luck.

[Wayward Clam]

Paraflyer, as a Libertarian, you should both notice and appreciate that I have never in fact said that the Democrats are a heck of a lot better!

[paraflyer]

Paraflyer, as a Libertarian, you should both notice and appreciate that I have never in fact said that the Democrats are a heck of a lot better!

Too true.

However, on the Energy side of things, if it's such a "global problem", then why oh why does the world wait for the US to attempt a solution?

I haven't heard of any great strides being made toward Fusion Power from the UK, or cheap/reliable solar power from the Canucks, for example.

If the US is so bad, then let another country solve the issue for themselves, and let us wallow in our own problems; or be the "big man" and share the discovery with all.

[gazzak]

I haven't heard of any great strides being made toward Fusion Power from the UK, or cheap/reliable solar power from the Canucks, for example.

We've solved fusion power and been using it for years now. We just don't like to share. Excuse me for a while, I'm just going to teleport to Scotland for a night out.

[Wayward Clam]

Too true.

However, on the Energy side of things, if it's such a "global problem", then why oh why does the world wait for the US to attempt a solution?

I haven't heard of any great strides being made toward Fusion Power from the UK, or cheap/reliable solar power from the Canucks, for example.

If the US is so bad, then let another country solve the issue for themselves, and let us wallow in our own problems; or be the "big man" and share the discovery with all.

Fusion is not the solution, as far as I know. But I'm willing to see science contradict me.

And Europe is rather famous for attempting to use alternative energy sources. As for Canada, we have MUCH stricter pollution laws than the US does, much less pollution...

Plus, the USA is the home of most of the major car manufacturers, and much bigger polluting industries than we have up here too.

Again, not bashing Americans --but yes, bashing your gov't and big business...

[techs]

We've solved fusion power and been using it for years now. We just don't like to share. Excuse me for a while, I'm just going to teleport to Scotland for a night out.

I don't think we have solved fusion and are hiding it. I do think there is a least a chance that we have solved the Zero Point problem. It might be very easy to make a Zero Point energy source with tremendous explosive power. Therefore it is being kept under wraps.

[Zil]

Global warming is certainly not caused by the US. We have cleaned up our cars, our factories, etc.

It's the 3rd world that is causing all of this. Look at India, Southeast Asia, Africa, China, Latin America, places where most of the population meets its energy needs by burning wood, coal, and dung. I guarantee that 1 person burning wood or coal in a furnace/fireplace/firepit for one year is definitely polluting more than my waterheater, furnace, car, air conditioner, propane grill, my percentage of the pollutants that escape from the electricity plants, and the percentage of the pollutants that escape from the factories that produce all the goods I buy.

We may have pollution, but have you ever visited Mexico City or Manila? When I went to Manila and Mexico, I've never breathed dirtier air in my life.

[paraflyer]

Global warming is certainly not caused by the US. We have cleaned up our cars, our factories, etc.

It's the 3rd world that is causing all of this. Look at India, Southeast Asia, Africa, China, Latin America, places where most of the population meets its energy needs by burning wood, coal, and dung. I guarantee that 1 person burning wood or coal in a furnace/fireplace/firepit for one year is definitely polluting more than my waterheater, furnace, car, air conditioner, propane grill, my percentage of the pollutants that escape from the electricity plants, and the percentage of the pollutants that escape from the factories that produce all the goods I buy.

We may have pollution, but have you ever visited Mexico City or Manila? When I went to Manila and Mexico, I've never breathed dirtier air in my life.

Imagine that, and when you take into consideration that those were among the countries that were EXEMPT from the Kyoto Protocol......

[Wayward Clam]

Are you actually trying to claim that the USA does not contribute to global pollution?

You're right that there are other, worse places out there... but... have you ever BEEN to San Francisco?

[Zil]

Are you actually trying to claim that the USA does not contribute to global pollution?

You're right that there are other, worse places out there... but... have you ever BEEN to San Francisco?


I didn't claim that the USA doesn't contribute. I don't think that Canada produces much pollution either (with the simple fact that Canada doesn't produce much of anything). What I said was its nothing compared to these 3rd world countries.

And yes, I have been to San Franscico, and I would breathe the air on its worst day over breathing the air in Manila or Mexico City on an average day.

Have you ever been to Mexico City or Manila or anywhere in the 3rd world?

[Wayward Clam]

I will completely agree that Mexico is a terrible pollution problem that needs to be cleaned up.

Another one, have you ever seen Cleetus' outhouse? Man, now THERE's a danger to the ozone layer. :uke: