So, do you think that the Dem's should go with Dean for their new leader, or should they look to someone much more moderate?
Honestly, I think they should take Dean, re-establish their base, then branch back out. They really need to just break everything down again. Taken a super moderate, say like someone such as Bill Clinton, will only further muddy their platforms.
So, do you think that the Dem's should go with Dean for their new leader, or should they look to someone much more moderate?
Honestly, I think they should take Dean, re-establish their base, then branch back out. They really need to just break everything down again. Taken a super moderate, say like someone such as Bill Clinton, will only further muddy their platforms.
You go with Dean as your front runner and you should expect the Republicans to gain another senate seat and probably 2 more house seats.
Billary will be the man for 2008.
techs
December 20th, 2004, 01:01 PM
It ain't going to matter. By 2008 this country will be so tired of the Republicans that Al Sharpton could win.
WebHead
December 20th, 2004, 01:36 PM
By the time the next election comes up, Dubya will have already changed the consitution so that he can stay in power for all eternity.
Cleetus
December 20th, 2004, 01:57 PM
Yall do know I am talking party leader and not president right?
jitBob
December 20th, 2004, 01:59 PM
There is a pretty good chance that the Republican party will have a falling out within itself that will lead to defections within the party. Checking the news today it looks as if the ultra conservative wing of the party is already trying to foist their way upon the president and congress.
thirdfey
December 20th, 2004, 02:01 PM
Good, maybe there will be more than 2 political parties to choose from that the media will accept.
Cleetus
December 20th, 2004, 02:04 PM
You mean like an ultra liberal party, a super conservative party and a wishy washy middle of the road party?
WebHead
December 20th, 2004, 02:16 PM
Well,.. they do have the wishy washy middle of the road party already. They call themselves, "libertarians".
jaeger
December 20th, 2004, 03:09 PM
You mean like an ultra liberal party, a super conservative party and a wishy washy middle of the road party?
A "wishy-washy middle of the road party" in a democracy is the one that represents most of the people, yet you say it like it is a bad thing.
Libertarians are hardly middle of the road, Webhead. Political idealogies are judged on two basic axis: Liberal-Conservative and Authoritarian-Libertarian. You could have a Liberal Libertarian or a Conservative Libertarian, they would both believe in the supremacy of individual rights though disagree on the size of ideal government.
WebHead
December 20th, 2004, 03:14 PM
A "wishy-washy middle of the road party" in a democracy is the one that represents most of the people, yet you say it like it is a bad thing.
Libertarians are hardly middle of the road, Webhead. Political idealogies are judged on two basic axis: Liberal-Conservative and Authoritarian-Libertarian. You could have a Liberal Libertarian or a Conservative Libertarian, they would both believe in the supremacy of individual rights though disagree on the size of ideal government.
Yeah I know,.. I saw that grid thing that was posted before. I sit right next to Ghandi on that grid. :D
paraflyer
December 20th, 2004, 03:20 PM
Well,.. they do have the wishy washy middle of the road party already. They call themselves, "libertarians".
I heard they called themselves "Citizens for Kerry."
WebHead
December 20th, 2004, 03:22 PM
I heard they called themselves "Citizens for Kerry."
The libertarians changed their name to that? That's weird. :confused:
WebHead
December 20th, 2004, 04:40 PM
Seriously though,.. I think most people, in general, see the democrats as weak spinedm whiney and complicated. Then they look at the republicans and see tough and rugged, simple folk with high values and standards and a strong religious foundation. Most Americans can relate to the latter because they see it as more down to earth.
Because of this,.. I don't know if it's going to take one individual or a group of individuals,.. but somehow, someway,.. the democrats have to build a new reputation for themselves that people can relate to. Perhaps they could all start wearing cowboy hats and riding horses in television commercials? Maybe driving Chevy Silverados on construction lots?
Btw,.. that reminds me. Where did GWB get that accent from? His dad doesn't have the accent. Personally I think its fake.
And on second thought,.. I bet if Howard Dean had a fake Texas accent,.. he could've crushed GWB in that last election. Dang! I wish I would've thought about this sooner. :sad:
jaeger
December 20th, 2004, 06:26 PM
The libertarians changed their name to that? That's weird. :confused:
No, Citizens for Kerry are losers, not libertarians. I can see how you would get confused with the alliteration and all.
WebHead
December 20th, 2004, 06:31 PM
No, Citizens for Kerry are losers, not libertarians. I can see how you would get confused with the alliteration and all.
Oh that's right. Alliteration. I remember this from high school. For example:
Citizens for Kerry = not an alliteration
Libertarian Losers = IS an alliteration
:cool:
TripleRLtd
December 20th, 2004, 10:12 PM
A "wishy-washy middle of the road party" in a democracy is the one that represents most of the people, yet you say it like it is a bad thing.
Although I don't agree in essence with jae's political theory, his basic thought there is right on the money!
Damn wrbby, I thought you were giving this political posturing a break? Somehow, you always forget the "other guy/gal" in these debates?
See a pattern here? http://forums.windrivers.com/images/smilies/sad2.gif
ilovetheusers
December 21st, 2004, 06:39 AM
There is a pretty good chance that the Republican party will have a falling out within itself that will lead to defections within the party. Checking the news today it looks as if the ultra conservative wing of the party is already trying to foist their way upon the president and congress.
Agree. Don't know if it'll happen in the next 4 years though, probably more. They were already trying to kill specters nomination to anything and I'm sure there's a few other republicans that are trying to be moderate that they have lined up too. The "jerry foulwells" will be the downfall of republican politics. That and thier continual need to spendt insane amounts of money we don't have.
ilovetheusers
December 21st, 2004, 06:41 AM
And on second thought,.. I bet if Howard Dean had a fake Texas accent,.. he could've crushed GWB in that last election. Dang! I wish I would've thought about this sooner. :sad:
No, no he wouldn't have. He would have lost by even more. The republicans already had him zeroed in and right now are praying that he will take the lead.
WebHead
December 21st, 2004, 11:40 AM
No, no he wouldn't have. He would have lost by even more. The republicans already had him zeroed in and right now are praying that he will take the lead.
You're right. Howard Dean is a douche. I hope someone with some class, charisma and confidence will rise from the ranks just as Bill Clinton did in the early 90's.
jaeger
December 21st, 2004, 12:02 PM
You're right. Howard Dean is a douche. I hope someone with some class, charisma and confidence will rise from the ranks just as Bill Clinton did in the early 90's.
Clinton had class? I'll give you charisma and confidence, but class is a bit of a reach. Class would have been "I had an affair, I'm sorry" not "Define sex."
Ya_know
December 21st, 2004, 12:16 PM
Clinton had class? I'll give you charisma and confidence, but class is a bit of a reach. Class would have been "I had an affair, I'm sorry" not "Define sex."
Dang webbie, you're just getting stomped on all over the forum...see what happens when you display a defeatist attitude towards yourself, everyone takes advantage and kicks your @$$...
:grin:
WebHead
December 21st, 2004, 12:18 PM
Well if your main goal in life to follow me around trying to defeat me,.. then you have some issues to work out little man. :thumbs:
Ya_know
December 21st, 2004, 12:24 PM
Well if your main goal in life to follow me around trying to defeat me,.. then you have some issues to work out little man. :thumbs:
HaaHaaHaa, that's the same thing you said to your penis just the other day...:grin:
You actually think that sort of putdown is going to work on me too... :rolleyes:
WebHead
December 21st, 2004, 12:30 PM
HaaHaaHaa, that's the same thing you said to your penis just the other day...:grin:
You actually think that sort of putdown is going to work on me too... :rolleyes:
You figure it out. Obviously, ever since I declared myself a "free thinker" you have been seriously bothered and have been trying to compare yourself to me and have been looking for any opportunity possible to disprove me. I am flattered by that, unfortunately, I think everyone has their own qualities. It's up to you to figure out what yours are.
Ya_know
December 21st, 2004, 12:38 PM
You figure it out. Obviously, ever since I declared myself a "free thinker" you have been seriously bothered and have been trying to compare yourself to me and have been looking for any opportunity possible to disprove me. I am flattered by that, unfortunately, I think everyone has their own qualities. It's up to you to figure out what yours are.
Translation of what you said: "I'm rubber, you're glue, whateva' you say bounces off me and sticks to you".
It's fun playing these school yard games with you, it really passes the time. :thumbs:
WebHead
December 21st, 2004, 12:41 PM
Translation of what you said: "I'm rubber, you're glue, whateva' you say bounces off me and sticks to you".
It's fun playing these school yard games with you, it really passes the time. :thumbs:
Nice well thought out generic reply there. :rolleyes:
Ya_know
December 21st, 2004, 12:51 PM
Nice well thought out generic reply there. :rolleyes:
I simply responded in kind and scope... :rolleyes:
WebHead
December 21st, 2004, 12:53 PM
I simply responded in kind and scope... :rolleyes:
Wow,.. two in a row. I could be mistaken,.. but are you WOTPPing now?
Ya_know
December 21st, 2004, 12:59 PM
Wow,.. two in a row. I could be mistaken,.. but are you WOTPPing now?
Have been for quite some time...nothing gets past you, now does it... :eek2:
WebHead
December 21st, 2004, 01:02 PM
Have been for quite some time...nothing gets past you, now does it... :eek2:
:rolleyes:
KINGofBLEH
December 21st, 2004, 08:21 PM
By the time the next election comes up, Dubya will have already changed the consitution so that he can stay in power for all eternity.
It would not surprise me if he started another war somewhere else just so he can make a "Roosevelt" argument for a third term. The Republicans have no early prospects for 2008 (Cheney, Rummy and McCain will all be in the home or in the ground by then). Meanwhile, the Dems are already starting to load the gun with names.
WebHead
December 21st, 2004, 08:27 PM
It would not surprise me if he started another war somewhere else just so he can make a "Roosevelt" argument for a third term. The Republicans have no early prospects for 2008 (Cheney, Rummy and McCain will all be in the home or in the ground by then). Meanwhile, the Dems are already starting to load the gun with names.
Yeah,.. I wouldn't put it past him. If this country is lucky a Bush dictatorship won't happen (but don't hold your breath).
And just think,.. Bush hasn't even started his second term yet. Oh it's gonna be a long four years. :sad:
KINGofBLEH
December 21st, 2004, 08:42 PM
Yeah,.. I wouldn't put it past him. If this country is lucky a Bush dictatorship won't happen (but don't hold your breath).
And just think,.. Bush hasn't even started his second term yet. Oh it's gonna be a long four years. :sad:
Well, that's 4 years for us to start working on a real change by putting a Libertarian in the White House.
Besides, I am sure you lib's will make it plenty interesting......hehe.
:cool:
WebHead
December 21st, 2004, 08:51 PM
Well, that's 4 years for us to start working on a real change by putting a Libertarian in the White House.
Besides, I am sure you lib's will make it plenty interesting......hehe.
:cool:
A libertarian in the white house :shudder: :eek:
KINGofBLEH
December 21st, 2004, 08:57 PM
A libertarian in the white house :shudder: :eek:
Ya_know a debate between Michael Badnarik and John Kerry would have been a thousand times more interesting. "W" could have been the guy holding the microphone during audience Q&A.
On a related note, when Jerry Springer retires or gets squashed by one of those fat heffers on his show, I want to start a petition to replace him with Bill Clinton. Think of how much fun that show will be. Trailer parks, sex scandals, rednecks, all real stories that actually involved the host!!!!!
WebHead
December 21st, 2004, 08:58 PM
I almost feel asleep watching that Badnarik and Cobb debate.
KINGofBLEH
December 21st, 2004, 09:01 PM
I almost feel asleep watching that Badnarik and Cobb debate.
That's because the differences between them are not as sharp as their differences with the ruling Republicrats. If it had been a true Presidential debate (and not a scripted media show), the fireworks would have flown.
WebHead
December 21st, 2004, 09:05 PM
Yeah,.. I guess that would be pretty cool.
TripleRLtd
December 21st, 2004, 09:16 PM
Why don't you two just get a room? http://forums.windrivers.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif
Then again, you can start the all new "Teh GAY Party"....http://forums.windrivers.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif
Seriously you guys, a third term???
I know confus-ed sells tin foil hats for one. http://forums.windrivers.com/images/smilies/thumbs.gif
KINGofBLEH
December 21st, 2004, 09:20 PM
Why don't you two just get a room? http://forums.windrivers.com/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif
Then again, you can start the all new "Teh GAY Party"....http://forums.windrivers.com/images/smilies/tongue.gif
Seriously you guys, a third term???
I know confus-ed sells tin foil hats for one. http://forums.windrivers.com/images/smilies/thumbs.gif
Wassa matta? Jealous? :kiss: :uke:
Any party that would steamroll a socialist prescription drugs program on us and tell us what we can and can't watch on TV has more than earned the title of "teh gay".
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