sethfp
January 17th, 2002, 08:07 PM
I have a HP Deskjet 694C. What would happen if the printer cartridge for an HP were refilled with ink for a Cannon printer??
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Draggar
January 17th, 2002, 08:31 PM
[quote]Originally posted by sethfp:
<strong>I have a HP Deskjet 694C. What would happen if the printer cartridge for an HP were refilled with ink for a Cannon printer??</strong><hr></blockquote>
It would probably work, but you wouldn't get the quality (although the 694's quality wasn't the greatest).
HP uses pigment based ink, which fuses to paper, allowing it to quickly dry and keep its form. Canon, Lexmark, and Epson use dye based ink, it can run.
In a worst case scenareo, your printheads might get jammed up, making them useless. Luckily, with all HP printers, all you need to do is buy a new cartridge.
<strong>I have a HP Deskjet 694C. What would happen if the printer cartridge for an HP were refilled with ink for a Cannon printer??</strong><hr></blockquote>
It would probably work, but you wouldn't get the quality (although the 694's quality wasn't the greatest).
HP uses pigment based ink, which fuses to paper, allowing it to quickly dry and keep its form. Canon, Lexmark, and Epson use dye based ink, it can run.
In a worst case scenareo, your printheads might get jammed up, making them useless. Luckily, with all HP printers, all you need to do is buy a new cartridge.
firemonkey
January 18th, 2002, 08:43 AM
the colors may be a bit differnt, also you might want to be aware that that could void Manufacutes Warenty (if it still applies)
DonJ
January 18th, 2002, 09:02 AM
As background info, you might go here to check out <a href="http://www.hp.com/cposupport/printers/support_doc/bpd03529.html" target="_blank">HP Deskjet 690C Series and HP DeskWriter 694C Printers - Warranty Information</a>. Basically, it says:
"For HP printer products, the use of a non-HP print cartridge or a refilled print cartridge does not affect either the warranty to the customer or any HP support contract with the customer; print cartridge includes both toner cartridges and ink cartridges. However, if printer failure or damage is attributable to the use of a non-HP or refilled print cartridge, HP will charge its standard time and materials charges to service the printer for the particular failure or damage."
"For HP printer products, the use of a non-HP print cartridge or a refilled print cartridge does not affect either the warranty to the customer or any HP support contract with the customer; print cartridge includes both toner cartridges and ink cartridges. However, if printer failure or damage is attributable to the use of a non-HP or refilled print cartridge, HP will charge its standard time and materials charges to service the printer for the particular failure or damage."
firemonkey
January 18th, 2002, 09:49 AM
thanks DonJ I forgot to include that part.
Quiet Thunder
January 18th, 2002, 12:07 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Draggar:
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It would probably work, but you wouldn't get the quality (although the 694's quality wasn't the greatest).
HP uses pigment based ink, which fuses to paper, allowing it to quickly dry and keep its form. Canon, Lexmark, and Epson use dye based ink, it can run.
In a worst case scenareo, your printheads might get jammed up, making them useless. Luckily, with all HP printers, all you need to do is buy a new cartridge.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Wow, that's a lot of usefull, very interesting information. I never knew they used different types of ink. Thanks, I definatly learned something new today! :D
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It would probably work, but you wouldn't get the quality (although the 694's quality wasn't the greatest).
HP uses pigment based ink, which fuses to paper, allowing it to quickly dry and keep its form. Canon, Lexmark, and Epson use dye based ink, it can run.
In a worst case scenareo, your printheads might get jammed up, making them useless. Luckily, with all HP printers, all you need to do is buy a new cartridge.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Wow, that's a lot of usefull, very interesting information. I never knew they used different types of ink. Thanks, I definatly learned something new today! :D
sethfp
January 18th, 2002, 02:09 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Draggar:
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It would probably work, but you wouldn't get the quality (although the 694's quality wasn't the greatest).
HP uses pigment based ink, which fuses to paper, allowing it to quickly dry and keep its form. Canon, Lexmark, and Epson use dye based ink, it can run.
In a worst case scenareo, your printheads might get jammed up, making them useless. Luckily, with all HP printers, all you need to do is buy a new cartridge.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The printer is out of warranty. If the printheads get jammed, it might exceed the value of the printer itself.(Don't know the current value of an HP Deskjet 694C.)
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It would probably work, but you wouldn't get the quality (although the 694's quality wasn't the greatest).
HP uses pigment based ink, which fuses to paper, allowing it to quickly dry and keep its form. Canon, Lexmark, and Epson use dye based ink, it can run.
In a worst case scenareo, your printheads might get jammed up, making them useless. Luckily, with all HP printers, all you need to do is buy a new cartridge.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The printer is out of warranty. If the printheads get jammed, it might exceed the value of the printer itself.(Don't know the current value of an HP Deskjet 694C.)
Draggar
January 18th, 2002, 02:47 PM
[quote]Originally posted by sethfp:
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The printer is out of warranty. If the printheads get jammed, it might exceed the value of the printer itself.(Don't know the current value of an HP Deskjet 694C.)</strong><hr></blockquote>
About $5. ;)
You should buy new cartridges eachtime they need to be replaced.
I saw a Lexmark 3200 printer once for $50.
The black cartridge was $35 for it, and the color was $40.
Shows where they make their money.
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The printer is out of warranty. If the printheads get jammed, it might exceed the value of the printer itself.(Don't know the current value of an HP Deskjet 694C.)</strong><hr></blockquote>
About $5. ;)
You should buy new cartridges eachtime they need to be replaced.
I saw a Lexmark 3200 printer once for $50.
The black cartridge was $35 for it, and the color was $40.
Shows where they make their money.
MacGyver
January 18th, 2002, 02:51 PM
Really when you think about it, late model inkjet printers are quite dumb. Just a bunch of motors, rollers, and plastic. The PC does all the real work because the printer doesn't have a CPU in it.
Draggar
January 18th, 2002, 03:03 PM
[quote]Originally posted by MacGyver:
<strong>Really when you think about it, late model inkjet printers are quite dumb. Just a bunch of motors, rollers, and plastic. The PC does all the real work because the printer doesn't have a CPU in it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
LOW end inkjet printers.
Plotters aren't too bad, and the high-end inkjets are pretty good, too.
<strong>Really when you think about it, late model inkjet printers are quite dumb. Just a bunch of motors, rollers, and plastic. The PC does all the real work because the printer doesn't have a CPU in it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
LOW end inkjet printers.
Plotters aren't too bad, and the high-end inkjets are pretty good, too.
sethfp
January 19th, 2002, 03:23 PM
[quote]Originally posted by sethfp:
<strong>I have a HP Deskjet 694C. What would happen if the printer cartridge for an HP were refilled with ink for a Cannon printer??</strong><hr></blockquote>
The HP ink cartridge was filled with Cannon printer ink, and it tried to print--it spewed out globs of ink onto the paper, but didn't produce anything recognizable. Would the ink cartridge still be usable for refill, or would it be clogged?
<strong>I have a HP Deskjet 694C. What would happen if the printer cartridge for an HP were refilled with ink for a Cannon printer??</strong><hr></blockquote>
The HP ink cartridge was filled with Cannon printer ink, and it tried to print--it spewed out globs of ink onto the paper, but didn't produce anything recognizable. Would the ink cartridge still be usable for refill, or would it be clogged?
DonJ
January 19th, 2002, 08:31 PM
For all the trouble you've gone through, you could have gone out and bought a new cartridge. Walmart has them for about $26 .
Or, check out <a href="http://store.yahoo.com/myinks/hp-deskjet-694c.html" target="_blank">myinks.com for your DeskJet</a>.
I would personally recommend against using refill kits. It saves you a lot of agravation and time just to go get a new cartridge.
Having said that tho, let us know which way you end up going...Good Luck!
Or, check out <a href="http://store.yahoo.com/myinks/hp-deskjet-694c.html" target="_blank">myinks.com for your DeskJet</a>.
I would personally recommend against using refill kits. It saves you a lot of agravation and time just to go get a new cartridge.
Having said that tho, let us know which way you end up going...Good Luck!
Draggar
January 19th, 2002, 10:13 PM
The attractive thing about refill kits is that you can get 2-3 (sometimes more) refills for about $20.
That can be $7-$10 per refill.
A lot better than the $26 at walmart...
(Although I still say you won't get the quality)...
That can be $7-$10 per refill.
A lot better than the $26 at walmart...
(Although I still say you won't get the quality)...
IT Len
January 20th, 2002, 05:12 AM
I'm with the consensus. We tested one printer with refills. To tell the truth, it really didn't affect the printer function in any way that we could determine, but...
For anything other than your most basic print job, I would not recommend refills. We have spent a lot of time calibrating colors so that what you see on the monitor is what you get printed out, and with the refills, you pretty much can count on all that going out the window! They just won't be the same, and with color layouts for ads, on up to photos, you will not be happy with the results. At least we weren't.
For anything other than your most basic print job, I would not recommend refills. We have spent a lot of time calibrating colors so that what you see on the monitor is what you get printed out, and with the refills, you pretty much can count on all that going out the window! They just won't be the same, and with color layouts for ads, on up to photos, you will not be happy with the results. At least we weren't.
Jeff the Brit
January 20th, 2002, 09:20 AM
Every printer manufacturer on the planet says to use only their own cartridges, but they would say that, wouldn't they?. From my own observations, people have widely varying experiences with third party inks. I've known some who have used only compatibles for years and never had a problem, and others who tried one just once and promptly knackered their print head. For me, experimenting with refills on HP, Lexmark and others where the print head is part of the cartridge is OK, if the ink refill stuffs the print head, just buy another. Epsons, with their separate print head, are another matter. I recommend to my customers to stick to Epson ink, I've seen too many wrecked printers to want to risk it.
Anybody know a reliable method of clearing blocked Epson heads?. I try dripping a small amount of isopropanol directly into the head and sometimes that will clear a blockage.
Ink chemistry is a subtle art, the viscosity of the ink is crucial to attaining correct droplet size. The type of printer technology needs to be taken into account too. HP , for axample, use heat to expel the ink droplet. The HP ink, therefore is designed to undergo a brief period of heating before giving the correct colour on paper. Epson inkjets use a different method, with a piezoelectric head to expel the ink, with no heating involved. DIY refill kits may be sort of OK for black, but the colours may be quite different to the genuine article. Early colour compatible cartridges were often quite disappointing, half the price, but you had to put twice as much ink on the paper to get the right colour, with long drying times needed. I've also seen compatible ink cartridges take so long for the ink to dry that the ink smears while passing the last roller.
A happy Epson 790 user ( genuine Epson ink only)
Anybody know a reliable method of clearing blocked Epson heads?. I try dripping a small amount of isopropanol directly into the head and sometimes that will clear a blockage.
Ink chemistry is a subtle art, the viscosity of the ink is crucial to attaining correct droplet size. The type of printer technology needs to be taken into account too. HP , for axample, use heat to expel the ink droplet. The HP ink, therefore is designed to undergo a brief period of heating before giving the correct colour on paper. Epson inkjets use a different method, with a piezoelectric head to expel the ink, with no heating involved. DIY refill kits may be sort of OK for black, but the colours may be quite different to the genuine article. Early colour compatible cartridges were often quite disappointing, half the price, but you had to put twice as much ink on the paper to get the right colour, with long drying times needed. I've also seen compatible ink cartridges take so long for the ink to dry that the ink smears while passing the last roller.
A happy Epson 790 user ( genuine Epson ink only)
freddy
January 20th, 2002, 11:13 AM
UK readers , Maplin do the ink refills either as a kit with a suringe or just the ink ,
have used sucsesfully on epsons
they also "do" a bottle of cleaning fluid (flushing fluid)
had a 694 ,,,,,or a 690 cant remember now ,,,,,tried filling it and it just leaked ou all over the place.
<a href="http://www.maplin.co.uk" target="_blank">www.maplin.co.uk</a>
have used sucsesfully on epsons
they also "do" a bottle of cleaning fluid (flushing fluid)
had a 694 ,,,,,or a 690 cant remember now ,,,,,tried filling it and it just leaked ou all over the place.
<a href="http://www.maplin.co.uk" target="_blank">www.maplin.co.uk</a>
sethfp
January 21st, 2002, 02:05 PM
[quote]Originally posted by freddy:
<strong>UK readers , Maplin do the ink refills either as a kit with a suringe or just the ink ,
have used sucsesfully on epsons
they also "do" a bottle of cleaning fluid (flushing fluid)
had a 694 ,,,,,or a 690 cant remember now ,,,,,tried filling it and it just leaked ou all over the place.
<a href="http://www.maplin.co.uk" target="_blank">www.maplin.co.uk</a></strong><hr></blockquote>
What kind of refill did you use on the 694?
I had the same problem of the ink leaking out, but thought it was caused by the use of Cannon ink on an HP.
<strong>UK readers , Maplin do the ink refills either as a kit with a suringe or just the ink ,
have used sucsesfully on epsons
they also "do" a bottle of cleaning fluid (flushing fluid)
had a 694 ,,,,,or a 690 cant remember now ,,,,,tried filling it and it just leaked ou all over the place.
<a href="http://www.maplin.co.uk" target="_blank">www.maplin.co.uk</a></strong><hr></blockquote>
What kind of refill did you use on the 694?
I had the same problem of the ink leaking out, but thought it was caused by the use of Cannon ink on an HP.
freddy
January 21st, 2002, 02:38 PM
cant remember over 12 months ago ,,,dont the 6** series have a little ball bearing in them? somebody (in the uk ) make a "presure"divice to fill them , 6** are the square ones? if u put a hot needle thru the top/top side then quirt in about 10ml to wet the foam you should get away with it.
DONT let the foam dry out ,,,
the 8** series the thin tall ones , i now somebody who tried them but couldnt do um
freddy
DONT let the foam dry out ,,,
the 8** series the thin tall ones , i now somebody who tried them but couldnt do um
freddy
JaxSon
January 22nd, 2002, 09:20 PM
I have to put in my vote against using refill kits. Our company tried them on the old Deskjet 500 Series...gawd, what a mess. And from what I've seen, the technology hasn't changed a whole lot in the last several years concerning the syringes, ink, etc. It still leaves a mess. If you're just printing out garbage that you don't really care if it smears, misses parts of characters, etc, then go ahead and use it. But if you're printing something out for a customer or potential customer to see, then for crying out load, use an OEM cartridge or an appropriate substitute. Or, you'll be having to check every little item on every page to make sure it printed out correctly...you won't have any real confidence in it. Same with using remanufactured/recycled toner cartridges...don't use them if you need high quality.
Just one man's opinion...
Just one man's opinion...
AlienDyne
January 23rd, 2002, 01:58 AM
I had tried to refill my old HP cartridges once upon a time. I got myself a special refilling kit but the result was not what I expected. In fact, it didn't work at all!
My opinion? It's not worth it!!
My opinion? It's not worth it!!
Danger
January 25th, 2002, 08:09 AM
I agree entirely. Refilling can be a pain. But, we've found out something at my store that might help some of you out. It seems that if you refill the cartridge before its entirely out of ink- enfact before its even close- then you probably won't have a probalem. at least, we usually don't. although we usually don't refill our cartridges here at work, sometimes we do. also if your cartridge does run out of ink before you get the chance to add more to it, then you better either give it a go before it has the chance to dry out, or not try at all. I personally will sometimes use a refill kit, but only if I'm relatively certain that its gunna go in smoothly and without much mess.
sethfp
January 29th, 2002, 06:50 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Danger:
<strong>I agree entirely. Refilling can be a pain. But, we've found out something at my store that might help some of you out. It seems that if you refill the cartridge before its entirely out of ink- enfact before its even close- then you probably won't have a probalem. at least, we usually don't. although we usually don't refill our cartridges here at work, sometimes we do. also if your cartridge does run out of ink before you get the chance to add more to it, then you better either give it a go before it has the chance to dry out, or not try at all. I personally will sometimes use a refill kit, but only if I'm relatively certain that its gunna go in smoothly and without much mess.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Has anyone been able to refill an HP cartridge, without a problem?
<strong>I agree entirely. Refilling can be a pain. But, we've found out something at my store that might help some of you out. It seems that if you refill the cartridge before its entirely out of ink- enfact before its even close- then you probably won't have a probalem. at least, we usually don't. although we usually don't refill our cartridges here at work, sometimes we do. also if your cartridge does run out of ink before you get the chance to add more to it, then you better either give it a go before it has the chance to dry out, or not try at all. I personally will sometimes use a refill kit, but only if I'm relatively certain that its gunna go in smoothly and without much mess.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Has anyone been able to refill an HP cartridge, without a problem?
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