Defrag wont start

[nbabe]

Hi i had alately some problems with my computer. i thought i hsould defrag it hoping to help it. Itjust wont start
I open it...I click on analyza or defrag and I always get an error message defrag wont start..anyone knows how to solve this? I already cleaned it...so run Xp BTW

[Ferrit]

Sounds like some file damage.
Best thing is to run a
chkdsk /r

Very good tutorial here.
http://www.deltatranslator.com/chkdsk.htm

[slgrieb]

nbabe, it would be helpful if you quoted the error message, but the most common cause and the fix can be found here (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922379/en-us). This can happen if defrag is damaged or missing.

So, what else has been going on with your computer, and what kind of fixes have you tried?

[nbabe]

Well, it wouldnt boot. After several unplugging replugging removing battery, removing video card(cause someone told me it might be taht) it restarted, but since then when it starts sometimes it doesnt completed the start up. What I mean is tahtthis computer had 3 log on. and it would never get to it(when the start up doesnt finishes) I would have to unplug replug open close a few times until it works all the way to it. those are the symptoms so far...

[nbabe]

tried that link....doesnt seem to work?

[nbabe]

ok the exact message is disk defragmenter could not start,

Tried that checkdisk run and when the computer restarted it flashed for a brief moment a message and then continue to boot. all I ccould read was this computer has or hasnt RAW ...whatever something like that it was there for a second or two but it mentionned something about RAW files... hope that helps.

[nbabe]

ok i tried that checked disk and it wont do it. I always get a message now when i start up that mentions checking files on c ....bla bla...raw files cant be checked......the problem is ok it wont do it...but when i restart it always tries anyway a solution to either get it to do it or to remove that action?

[Ferrit]

If you have the xp cd there is another method which will work.
http://kb.wisc.edu/helpdesk/page.php?id=5097

[nbabe]

used the xp dvd from gateway. It doesnt work. I pressed R for recovery at the beginning and it will only allow me to FULLY reinstall Xp.This is not at all what the steps on ur tutorial had. In fact I never got to that cmd page. Therefore I still cannot run checkdisk and defrag still doesnt want to run and when i start the computer as mentionned previously I always get that error message that tells me I got raw files and that autocheckcannot run on raw files...then is keeps on booting till my 3 log on...how can I at least for now get rid of that message at the beginning.

Then any other ideas to fix defrag?...what about in safe mode? would that work and if so how do we getin safe mode. I had ME edition before so with this Xp computer im not too at ease. thanks

[nbabe]

ok i tried to run safe mode which i learned is f8 ...it offered me windows or xp..tried xp and it told me it had a problem. then i restarted the computer again in safe mode and tried the second option windows(default) and all it did was to bring to a black page with safe mode written on it and nothing else...there was nothing i could click or see or do...had to closed it manually. so im still stuck with that message of autocheck cannot run on raw files and defrag still won work

[NooNoo]

Safe mode you can get to 3 ways
1. batter the f8 key before you see the windows screen
2. start, run, msconfig click on the boot tab and check the box (remember to uncheck it when you are done)
3. turn the machine off half way through booting and next time you turn it on, it will moan it couldn't start correctly and offer you safe mode.

You could always download a 3rd party defragger...

[nbabe]

yeah i did that. the f8 thingy.
but it did not give me a page just a black screen with nothing to do on it.once u click f8 i had to choose safemode which i did the nit offered me xp or windows(default) tried both with not success.


Right now Id be happy if I could get rid of that friggin message of autocheck cannot perform on raw files which happened after I tried what Feret told me to do in cmd. since it would nt perform the ckdsk then I guess this mesage always appears. If at least I could get rid of it then that be one problem less

[NooNoo]

Why are you running chkdsk on an unformatted hard drive? Or is it on a usb flash drive?

[nbabe]

I dunno... Ifollowed the steps that Feret sent me (see a prior message)...
SO how then do i get rid of that command so it stops showing whne I boot?


Ok tried in safe mode (ur second options did work BTW) and defrag still wont work I still get defrag wont start message error.

[NooNoo]

You need to back up your data right now.
How big is the hard drive and how much free space?

[nbabe]

got 232 gig 190 is free

[NooNoo]

Is it all one partition?

[nbabe]

BTW booting this afternoon )except for taht auto check raw message ) seems to work all the way to my 3 log on....might have been a temp bug? I did do this am an update...since then that proble mseems at least to be gone
Is the in CMD a way to cancel then that chdsk command i made with FERRIT...this im sure is where that message autochekdisk raw files messsage is from...

[nbabe]

huh i guess so...I never did anytihng to it.

[NooNoo]

So you have one single drive called c: ?

The fact that chkdsk sees RAW filing system tells me there is something very wrong with your disk drive. It might be a screwed up partition, bad blocks or something else.

BACK UP YOUR DATA NOW

[nbabe]

ok yeah i only have ac drive.

I did back up my data to a portable disk earlier this week when I started to get those problem.

But if ur asking me to back up on here...im not sure how to do that...not that great with computers.

[NooNoo]

So all your data is saved to a portable drive?

Do you have any usb thumb/pen/flash drives attached?

[nbabe]

i saved most of my documents to a portable hard drive ...which is not attached at the moment. I did install last week a cdrw from my old computer since the one on this one stopped working...Might it have all cause these problems? because i did check to make sure all was working for a few times...I think the next day or so i started to have the opening problem(which seems to be solved now) but now of my 3 problems one seems to be cause by me with that ckdisk command prompt i did in CMD....and defrag well still wont open

[NooNoo]

They are all linked to a hard drive problem.

Make sure you have a copy of the rest of your documents etc.

Oh wait, do you have a blank cdrw in the cdrw drive?

What make and model is the hard drive?

www.belarc.com has a free download that will show you a report of all your hardware or you can look in device manager under disk drives and the model number is usually shown.

[nbabe]

SYSTEM INFO IS
OS Name Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 3 Build 2600
OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
System Name NP
System Manufacturer Gateway
System Model 702GE
System Type X86-based PC
Processor x86 Family 15 Model 3 Stepping 4 GenuineIntel ~3200 Mhz
BIOS Version/Date Intel Corp. SE91510J.15A.1778.2004.1012.1001, 2004-10-12
SMBIOS Version 2.3
Windows Directory C:\WINDOWS
System Directory C:\WINDOWS\system32
Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1
Locale United States
Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "5.1.2600.5512 (xpsp.080413-2111)"
User Name NP\Owner
Time Zone Eastern Standard Time
Total Physical Memory 1 024,00 MB
Available Physical Memory 607,90 MB
Total Virtual Memory 2,00 GB
Available Virtual Memory 1,96 GB
Page File Space 2,39 GB
Page File C:\pagefile.sys




Hardware NFO is:
I/O Port 0x00000000-0x00000CF7 PCI bus
I/O Port 0x00000000-0x00000CF7 Direct memory access controller

IRQ 23 Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM USB Universal Host Controller - 2658
IRQ 23 Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM USB2 Enhanced Host Controller - 265C

Memory Address 0x50100000-0x501FFFFF Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM PCI Express Root Port - 2662
Memory Address 0x50100000-0x501FFFFF Marvell Yukon 88E8050 PCI-E ASF Gigabit Ethernet Controller

IRQ 16 Intel(R) 82915G/GV/910GL Express Chipset Family
IRQ 16 Microsoft UAA Bus Driver for High Definition Audio
IRQ 16 Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM PCI Express Root Port - 2662
IRQ 16 Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM USB Universal Host Controller - 265B

IRQ 17 Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM PCI Express Root Port - 2660
IRQ 17 Marvell Yukon 88E8050 PCI-E ASF Gigabit Ethernet Controller
IRQ 17 OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller

IRQ 18 Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM PCI Express Root Port - 2664
IRQ 18 Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM USB Universal Host Controller - 265A

Memory Address 0x40000000-0xE0000000 PCI bus
Memory Address 0x40000000-0xE0000000 Intel(R) 82915G/GV/910GL Express Chipset Family

IRQ 19 Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM PCI Express Root Port - 2666
IRQ 19 Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM USB Universal Host Controller - 2659
IRQ 19 Intel(R) 82801FB Ultra ATA Storage Controllers - 2651

Memory Address 0xA0000-0xBFFFF PCI bus
Memory Address 0xA0000-0xBFFFF Intel(R) 82915G/GV/910GL Express Chipset Family

I/O Port 0x00001000-0x00001FFF Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM PCI Express Root Port - 2662
I/O Port 0x00001000-0x00001FFF Marvell Yukon 88E8050 PCI-E ASF Gigabit Ethernet Controller

Hope that helps

[NooNoo]

'Fraid not... that tells me about the ports and controllers, not about what is attached to them!

What is the make and model of hard drive?

[nbabe]

MEn...we are way above my skills now...i dunno what it is then..under devicemanagament i got disk drive ...not sure if that s what u want...I got 5 of the m(others are removable one is called WDC WD 2500JD-22HBBO

[nbabe]

ok did the belarc thingy here goes:
Operating System System Model
Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 3 (build 2600) Gateway 702GE
System Serial Number: XSL4B 210 11377
Chassis Serial Number: XSL4B 210 11377
Enclosure Type: Desktop
Processor a Main Circuit Board b
3,20 gigahertz Intel Pentium 4
16 kilobyte primary memory cache
1024 kilobyte secondary memory cache Board: Intel Corporation D915GSE AAC77848-103
Serial Number: BTSE43806031
Bus Clock: 800 megahertz
BIOS: Intel Corp. SE91510J.15A.1778.2004.1012.1001 10/12/2004
Drives Memory Modules c,d
250,06 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
207,72 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space

SAMSUNG CD-R/RW SW-224B [CD-ROM drive]
TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-H552B [CD-ROM drive]

eM Bay Reader USB Device [Hard drive] -- drive 1
eM Bay Reader USB Device [Hard drive] -- drive 2
eM Bay Reader USB Device [Hard drive] -- drive 3
eM Bay Reader USB Device [Hard drive] -- drive 4
WDC WD2500JD-22HBB0 [Hard drive] (250,06 GB) -- drive 0 1014 Megabytes Installed Memory

Slot 'J6H1' has 512 MB
Slot 'J6H2' is Empty
Slot 'J6J1' has 512 MB
Slot 'J6J2' is Empty
Local Drive Volumes

c: (NTFS on drive 0) 250,06 GB 207,72 GB free



Marks a disabled account; Marks a locked account hp deskjet 3320 series on USB001

Controllers Display
Intel(R) 82801FB Ultra ATA Storage Controllers - 2651
Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM Ultra ATA Storage Controllers - 266F
Primary IDE Channel [Controller] (2x)
Secondary IDE Channel [Controller] Intel(R) 82915G/GV/910GL Express Chipset Family [Display adapter]
Gateway 17,1 [Monitor] (17,1"vis, November 2004)
Bus Adapters Multimedia
Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM USB Universal Host Controller - 2658
Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM USB Universal Host Controller - 2659
Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM USB Universal Host Controller - 265A
Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM USB Universal Host Controller - 265B
Intel(R) 82801FB/FBM USB2 Enhanced Host Controller - 265C Realtek High Definition Audio
Communications Other Devices

1394 Net Adapter
Marvell Yukon 88E8050 PCI-E ASF Gigabit Ethernet Controller


OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller
HID-compliant consumer control device (2x)
HID-compliant device (3x)
USB Human Interface Device (3x)
HID Keyboard Device
HID-compliant mouse
Microsoft PS/2 Mouse
USB Composite Device
USB Mass Storage Device
USB Printing Support
USB Root Hub (5x)

[NooNoo]

Bingo!

Go here (http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?groupid=603&sid=3&lang=en) and download the diagnostic tools for windows using the button (scroll down a bit)

Run the quick and the extended test.... do NOT run the zero fill!... then post the results please. Instructions on how to use it are on the same page below the download button.

[nbabe]

Test Option: QUICK TEST
Model Number: WDC WD2500JD-22HBB0
Unit Serial Number: WD-WCAL71804966
Firmware Number: 08.02D08
Capacity: 250.06 GB
SMART Status: PASS
Test Result: PASS
Test Time: 16:33:46, November 17, 2008

[NooNoo]

Good and the extended test?

[Ferrit]

Umm he was trying to defrag his working system with problems .

""Hi i had alately some problems with my computer. i thought i hsould defrag it hoping to help it. Itjust wont start
I open it...I click on analyza or defrag and I always get an error message defrag wont start..anyone knows how to solve this? I already cleaned it...so run Xp BTW""""

[nbabe]

still doing the extended version its saying another 25 minutes!

[NooNoo]

Yes ferrit, but chkdsk thinks the drive is RAW.... much bigger problem

[NooNoo]

OK I have to go out then off to bed
When the extended test finishes, IF it passes, try disconnecting both CD drives and then start the machine. What happens then? Does chkdsk run ok? (Don't stop it, you actually want it to finish).

[nbabe]

ok ill do that...but right now check disk never actaully ran...when it starts on start up of the computer I get that message i mentionned that flashes for 2-3 seconds and then it continues to booth all the way. ill post it here asap thanks for ur help and good night...I myself after that will haveto disconnect so i mgiht not be able to follow other options until tomorrow! thanks anyway in advance!

[nbabe]

Test Option: QUICK TEST
Model Number: WDC WD2500JD-22HBB0
Unit Serial Number: WD-WCAL71804966
Firmware Number: 08.02D08
Capacity: 250.06 GB
SMART Status: PASS
Test Result: PASS
Test Time: 16:33:46, November 17, 2008

Test Option: EXTENDED TEST
Model Number: WDC WD2500JD-22HBB0
Unit Serial Number: WD-WCAL71804966
Firmware Number: 08.02D08
Capacity: 250.06 GB
SMART Status: PASS
Test Result: PASS
Test Time: 17:58:27, November 17, 2008

[nbabe]

Ok NooNoo tried to unplug both cd and dvd drive and restarted it. Got still the autocheck message and it didnt again do it. (the first portion of message read type of file system is raw bla bla autocheck doest run (or something) on raw files.bla bla...so can we just remove that command I did with Ferrit in dos mode? so that message disappear?

Defrag still doesnt work.
BUt defenetly booting now works all the way...it worked all afternoon and night after numourus reboot and shutdown. Right now If I could get rid of that raw/autocheck disk messsage at booting Id be happier...

[NooNoo]

instructions here (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;831426)

[nbabe]

cant open the link...

[NooNoo]

Google microsoft 831426
Link opens fine for me.

[nbabe]

well i cant go to that page..I always get check your internet settings. and they are fine since all other sites work. I just cant get to support microsoft seems like. Tried togoogle but it always resend me to support microsoft that just wont allow me in... men im tired fo this ****....any other ideas or anyone can post it here so i can read it and follow the fixes?

[NooNoo]

If you can't reach certain sites, you have either got some virus or spyware. What antivirus do you use? What anti-spyware have you run recently? Try an on-line scan at http://housecall.trendmicro.com. If you can't reach that site, you would be better off copying off your data and using the gateway recovery disks to set the computer back to factory condition. You would have to reinstall any programs you have installed since you got the PC.

Here is the knowledge base article.


Chkdsk.exe or Autochk.exe starts when you try to shut down or restart your computer
View products that this article applies to.
Article ID : 831426
Last Review : January 16, 2004
Revision : 2.4
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SYMPTOMS

CAUSE

RESOLUTION

Method 1: Remove the Chkdsk.exe or the Autochk.exe program from Scheduled Tasks

Method 2: Check the Session Manager registry entry

Method 3: Confirm that your hard disk or your file system is not damaged

SYMPTOMS
When you try to shut down, restart, or start your computer, the Chkdsk.exe or the Autochk.exe program may start automatically and start to scan your hard disks. This issue occurs without any user interaction.
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CAUSE
This issue occurs if any one of the following conditions are true:
• You have scheduled the Chkdsk.exe program or the Autochk.exe program to run in Scheduled Tasks.
• A Windows registry setting has been set to run the Autochk.exe program at startup.
• Your hard disk is damaged and must be repaired.

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RESOLUTION
To resolve this issue, use one of the following methods.
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Method 1: Remove the Chkdsk.exe or the Autochk.exe program from Scheduled Tasks
Follow these steps to remove the Chkdsk.exe or the Autochk.exe program from the list of scheduled tasks in the Scheduled Tasks feature.
1. Click Start, point to All Programs, point to Accessories, point to System Tools, and then click Scheduled Tasks.
2. Click either Chkdsk or Autochk in the list of scheduled tasks.
3. Under Folder Tasks, click Delete this item.


Method 2: Check the Session Manager registry entry
Important This section, method, or task contains steps that tell you how to modify the registry. However, serious problems might occur if you modify the registry incorrectly. Therefore, make sure that you follow these steps carefully. For added protection, back up the registry before you modify it. Then, you can restore the registry if a problem occurs. For more information about how to back up and restore the registry, click the following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
322756 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/322756/) How to back up and restore the registry in Windows

Follow these steps, and then quit Registry Editor:
1. Click Start, click Run, type regedit, and then click OK.
2. Locate and then click the following key in the registry:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Session Manager\BootExecute
3. On the Edit menu, click Modify.
4. Type autocheck autochk *, and then press ENTER.


Method 3: Confirm that your hard disk or your file system is not damaged
To confirm that your hard disk or your file system is not damaged, start your computer from the Windows XP CD-ROM, load Microsoft Recovery Console, and then use the chkdsk command-line command.

Note To start your computer from the Microsoft Windows XP CD-ROM, your CD-ROM or your DVD-ROM drive must be configured to do so. For information about how to configure your computer to start from the CD-ROM or the DVD-ROM drive, see the documentation that is included with your computer, or contact the computer manufacturer.

Important Microsoft recommends that only advanced users or administrators use the Recovery Console. You must know the Administrator password to use the Recovery Console. For additional information about how to use the Chkdsk command-line command to check and to repair a damaged hard disk, click the following article numbers to view the articles in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
314058 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314058/) Description of the Windows XP Recovery Console
307654 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307654/) HOW TO: Install and use the Recovery Console in Windows XP
Note If the Chkdsk.exe program reports that it cannot access your hard disk, you may be experiencing a hardware failure. Examine all the cable connections and jumper settings on your hard disk. Contact a computer repair professional or the manufacturer of your computer for more assistance.

If the Chkdsk.exe program reports that it cannot fix all the hard-disk problems, your file system or your Master Boot Record (MBR) may be damaged, or it may no longer be accessible. Try appropriate Recovery Console commands such as fixmbr and fixboot, contact a data recovery service, or repartition and reformat your hard disk.

[nbabe]

ok the first option didnt work there is nothing in that folder that is already schedule.

Although I ran avg and anti-spyware doctor I still cannot go those pages or any avg pages or even upgrade my avg. Looks like I might have a ferocious antivirus. IM really not sure what to do since I always check them all every week and got a firewall and anti-spyware is always on. not sure if I should try version 2 or three described above unless I get rid of tha tprobably virus that doesnt allow me to go those sites.

[Ferrit]

I would download, Install, Update, and run Spybot SD.
http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail/Spybot_Search_and_Destroy/1043809773/1

I might also try an online scan with symantec here
http://security.symantec.com/sscv6/home.asp?langid=ie&venid=sym&plfid=24&pkj=EYDKDBFVCOBSOCUEWUX

[nbabe]

as mentionned previously I cant reach any web pages that are related to virus or such. therefore symantec gave me my usual error page.

Spybot i got but its one of the few antivirus or antispyware taht jsut wont work no more. or update or redownload. so no luck with that either

[NooNoo]

Right then you have only one option left. Back up what data you have, then restore to factory condition.... unless of course you can get the updates and AV etc using another computer.

[nbabe]

yeah got spybot just wont work this week or update. all my antivirus or spyware doctor wont upgrade. tried redownloding spybot and during installation I always get an error message telling me error sending request. the connection with the server was reset. therefore that wont work and has mentionned before cant get to any antirvirus pages!

[futuretech]

Check the HOST file to see if there are entries to block those sites. They will usually add them lower down on the host file so it shows the legitimate 127.0.0.1 localhost
If you select page down on the keyboard and it shows a bunch of entries then you need to clean those entries from the host file.

[NooNoo]

That might work futuretech... nbabe here are the instructions (http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hostsfaq.htm#Editor)

[nbabe]

this didnt work
I dont have the same options then u guys so i dont know how to do it
if i go on desktop i dont get that same window that u guys showed me I can only paste the target and then it created on my desktop a notepad file. there was no option for that start option. I never got that host editor page or window....
Here is what got written in notepad that way

Copyright (c) 1993-1999 Microsoft Corp.
#
# This is a sample HOSTS file used by Microsoft TCP/IP for Windows.
#
# This file contains the mappings of IP addresses to host names. Each
# entry should be kept on an individual line. The IP address should
# be placed in the first column followed by the corresponding host name.
# The IP address and the host name should be separated by at least one
# space.
#
# Additionally, comments (such as these) may be inserted on individual
# lines or following the machine name denoted by a '#' symbol.
#
# For example:
#
# 102.54.94.97 rhino.acme.com # source server
# 38.25.63.10 x.acme.com # x client host

127.0.0.1 localhost


dunno if this is correct or if im misssing step
a freind did a research and told me sdfix might help me but i dont know how to run that

[futuretech]

The HOST file is found in the windows system32 drivers etc directory.
Double click my computer
double click c: drive
double click windows
double click system32
double click Drivers
double click ETC
RIGHT Click HOST
edit
If it has a scroll bar on the right slide it down and see if any entries are showing.
Some virus's put entries to every known anti virus site in the host file which prevents you from getting to their sites.

[nbabe]

ok did what u said. when i right click on Host there is no edit options. so what do i do

[NooNoo]

you open the file in notepad. Edit using notepad and save it again.

[nbabe]

still the same I right click o nhost choose open with notepad and it opened notepad and the info was the same in edit there is no option for copying or pasting....so what now. BTW im a newbie so...got no clue what you guys make me do.

[nbabe]

A friend sent me this file
http://www.computing.net/answers/security/unable-to-access-antivirus-websites/23655.html
but I cant get a password from them its been 2 days since i registered..and my friend sent me also sdfix since I couldnt download it and I wanted to at least try to see if it wouldremove the trojan or what but when i iopen sdfix i do not get that Y options...anyone then knows?

[futuretech]

If all else fails download sysclean and its newest definitions and do an off line virus scan.
http://www.trendmicro.com/ftp/products/tsc/sysclean.com
http://www.trendmicro.com/ftp/products/pattern/lpt661.zip

Creat a folder called sysclean and download sysclean.com into the folder and then download the lpt661.zip and extract it in that folder as well.
Then double click the sysclean.com file and it will start the offline virus scan engine.

[nbabe]

yeah i cant get to any of those websites...so i cant get no new stuff to fix this problem..my firend only sent me via email sdfix.

[NooNoo]

Then you are back to backing up your data and then restoring your machine to factory settings.

[nbabe]

Ok my friend emailed it to me and I ran it it found 7 viruses it mentionned at the end but im not sure all are gone

Stillcannot upgrade or go to those webpages... anyone is then familiar with this thread and the steps to it? Because i got sdfix but i do not see the Y option in cmd mode
http://www.computing.net/answers/security/unable-to-access-antivirus-websites/23655.html

[NooNoo]

you don't get an option, you simply tap the "y" key and then press enter if necessary.

[slgrieb]

nbabe, you've obviously got a severely infested computer, and I think you're much better off just to back up any files you want to keep, then wipe the drive and reload everything. Frankly, with the help you've been given already, if it isn't clean now, I don't think you are going to get it clean short of hiring a pro, and odds are good that he's likely to go the wipe and reload route anyway. I do stuff like this for a living, and sometimes you just have to cut your losses and go on.

[Ferrit]

nbabe, you've obviously got a severely infested computer, and I think you're much better off just to back up any files you want to keep, then wipe the drive and reload everything. Frankly, with the help you've been given already, if it isn't clean now, I don't think you are going to get it clean short of hiring a pro, and odds are good that he's likely to go the wipe and reload route anyway. I do stuff like this for a living, and sometimes you just have to cut your losses and go on.

I would agree