Beginner - Token Ring

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June 10th, 2002, 02:16 PM
MasaM

Beginner - Token Ring

I know it is very old.
I have an IBM 16/4 TR and I was wondering if and how to get it to boot to/from the 100bT network.
is this possible? I have quite a few IBM 365xd's that need OS and it is time cosuming to remove the HD and ghost them. wondering how to get them to boot and use resorces off of a 98SE server.
any suggestions/articles recommended?
all help is greatly appreciated.
thanx.
.-+M+-.
<a href="http://www.masam.net" target="_blank">www.masam.net</a>
June 10th, 2002, 02:34 PM
Matridom

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MasaM:
I know it is very old.
I have an IBM 16/4 TR and I was wondering if and how to get it to boot to/from the 100bT network.
is this possible? I have quite a few IBM 365xd's that need OS and it is time cosuming to remove the HD and ghost them. wondering how to get them to boot and use resorces off of a 98SE server.
any suggestions/articles recommended?
all help is greatly appreciated.
thanx.
.-+M+-.
<a href="http://www.masam.net" target="_blank">www.masam.net</a><hr /></blockquote>Tolkein ring cards use a different technology then ethernet. even though the plug is the same, the card is not compatible with Ethernet.

I can put up more details on the issue later if you want.
June 10th, 2002, 02:54 PM
MasaM

this would be a very kewl thing as I am unknowledgeable in this arena. I know most of the basics on ethernet....but I didnt start out the networking with TR. Is there any way to link them?
June 10th, 2002, 03:43 PM
techleet

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MasaM:
this would be a very kewl thing as I am unknowledgeable in this arena. I know most of the basics on ethernet....but I didnt start out the networking with TR. Is there any way to link them?<hr /></blockquote>A router between the two should do nicely :)
June 10th, 2002, 03:59 PM
Matridom

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by techleet:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MasaM:
this would be a very kewl thing as I am unknowledgeable in this arena. I know most of the basics on ethernet....but I didnt start out the networking with TR. Is there any way to link them?<hr /></blockquote>A router between the two should do nicely :) <hr /></blockquote>Regualr routers will not do. I'll explain in detail in a couple of hours. I'm currently on the clock and need to keep my replies short.
June 10th, 2002, 04:02 PM
techleet

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Matridom:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by techleet:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MasaM:
this would be a very kewl thing as I am unknowledgeable in this arena. I know most of the basics on ethernet....but I didnt start out the networking with TR. Is there any way to link them?<hr /></blockquote>A router between the two should do nicely :) <hr /></blockquote>Regualr routers will not do. I'll explain in detail in a couple of hours. I'm currently on the clock and need to keep my replies short.<hr /></blockquote>Sorry, It was a flying guess, but I found one that supports both. :D
<a href="http://www.provantage.com/VCSCR07P.HTM" target="_blank">http://www.provantage.com/VCSCR07P.HTM</a>
June 10th, 2002, 04:22 PM
Matridom

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by techleet:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Matridom:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by techleet:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by MasaM:
this would be a very kewl thing as I am unknowledgeable in this arena. I know most of the basics on ethernet....but I didnt start out the networking with TR. Is there any way to link them?<hr /></blockquote>A router between the two should do nicely :) <hr /></blockquote>Regualr routers will not do. I'll explain in detail in a couple of hours. I'm currently on the clock and need to keep my replies short.<hr /></blockquote>Sorry, It was a flying guess, but I found one that supports both. :D
<a href="http://www.provantage.com/VCSCR07P.HTM" target="_blank">http://www.provantage.com/VCSCR07P.HTM</a><hr /></blockquote>That is a $2000 US for a CISCO Router. Most people refer to a home gateway has a router here.
June 10th, 2002, 06:45 PM
Matridom

<blockquote>quote:<hr />
token

Frame that contains control information. Possession of the token allows a network device to transmit data onto the network. See also token passing.

token bus

LAN architecture using token passing access over a bus topology. This LAN architecture is the basis for the IEEE 802.4 LAN specification.

token passing

Access method by which network devices access the physical medium in an orderly fashion based on possession of a small frame called a token. Contrast with circuit switching and contention.

Token Ring

Token-passing LAN developed and supported by IBM. Token Ring runs at 4 or 16 Mbps over a ring topology. Similar to IEEE 802.5. <hr /></blockquote>So Basicly, Tolken ring passes the token from device to device, only the device that has the tolken can send out information onto the wire. The problem with the token is that you require cards and devices that can accept the token.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />
Ethernet

Baseband LAN specification invented by Xerox Corporation and developed jointly by Xerox, Intel, and Digital Equipment Corporation. Ethernet networks use CSMA/CD and run over a variety of cable types at 10 Mbps. Ethernet is similar to the IEEE 802.3 series of standards.

CSMA/CD

Carrier sense multiple access collision detect. Media-access mechanism wherein devices ready to transmit data first check the channel for a carrier. If no carrier is sensed for a specific period of time, a device can transmit. If two devices transmit at once, a collision occurs and is detected by all colliding devices. This collision subsequently delays retransmissions from those devices for some random length of time. CSMA/CD access is used by Ethernet and IEEE 802.3.
<hr /></blockquote>The second definition says it all.

All quoted definitions are from CISCO, Unfortunatly I am unable to provide any links.
June 11th, 2002, 10:54 AM
MasaM

So it might be worthwhile to drop a 16/4 into my desktop and try setting up a small token then?
How would I set up softs that will enable the laptop to boot from the desktop at this point?
June 11th, 2002, 11:00 AM
Matridom

I've not actualy worked with token ring, so i'm not sure... token ring is used for reliability, ethernet for speed.
June 11th, 2002, 11:54 AM
MasaM

well..this has been very helpful.
I want to thank you guys for all of your info.
.-+M+-.
Sam Mertz
<a href="http://www.masam.net" target="_blank">www.masam.net</a>
June 17th, 2002, 10:08 PM
bbtech6650

in short, implementing a TR network would be like torturing urslf w/ a 33.6 dialup...have worked with them...we have i net kiosks to price match the competition...work on TR and are very slow...when u have the token u run with it or our system times out and resets the i net default page
(company site)