Society's fault or not? VENT TIME!

[Jediab]

Rant on...

I was watching that show called The 20th Century with Mike Wallace that airs on the History Channel. The topic of the day was Mass Killings. The show covered various phycho f*cks that decided to flip out and murder many innocent people. I did not catch the whole show, but I saw the ending. There was this wacko in England I believe that decided to flip out and gun down children at a school. A lot like Calimbine (spelling?). Irritated me to see that. Another one was this Jamaican immigrant in New York back in 1994 or 1995 that flipped out and decided to take it upon himself and shoot and kill 4 people and wound 19 others on a subway. During this maggots trial, he acted like he did not even do it. Well he was found guilty and sentenced to life in jail. So long ya a$$hole!

Now here is the real kicker. His lawyers said something that REALLY pi$$ed me off. I will try to quote it as best I can.
"Society should take a deep look into itself and try to find where we failed this man"
WTF is that??? This c*cksucker blames society for the murderous rampages of a lunatic? Since I am a part of society, this guy seems to be blaming me! And he seems to be blaming all of you my fellow techs! I nor did anybody else make that bastard shoot anyone. How DARE that lowlife lawyer try to put the blame on somebody elses shoulders other than his cliet. How can these souless monkeys sleep at night? So I guess these same "people" blame society for the wacked cult in Japan that gased the train, or the horrid actions of Mr Timothy McVey (spelling?, or the jerkoffs that bombed the World Trade Center.
The way I see it that the only fault of society is the fact that we have let our world degrade into a state where nothing is your fault. It all lies within your childhood or some other stupid place. You werent loved as a kid, you werent hugged as a child. You werent this you were that. Funny, if it wasnt Timothy McVey's fault, why was he executed? This "The criminal isnt the one to blame" BS is total crap!

Rant off...

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[Ghostfleet]

Our society's view on anything anyone does wrong is.....blame someone else! Because no one is responsible for thier own actions, its someone elses fault.

I'm surprised they didnt pull the famous....

His boyscout leader didnt give him enough cookies when he was growing up or No one said good job everytime he tied his shoes

Our society is full of liberal tree-huggers that cant accept blame on themselves, but rather pass that blame onto others. In America you're not responsible for anything! Just do whatever you want to do & blame someone else.

[Jediab]

You make a good point Ghostfleet, but with one exception that comes to mind. A bartender. Society is now blaming the bartender who served the drink to the dumbass drunk that went out and killed X amount of people in a drunk driving accident. The jerk that did the killing is not to blame, the bartender is. That is just plain Bu11****!

[ßracius]

People need to find something to identify where the problem lies or what to blame. People now a days, as when as in the past, need to find something other than the fact. Can you really accept that a person can really just be psycho? Some people can, but for the majority must can not.

People that are born physically backwards are far easier to handle but to face the fact we are so clueless when it comes to the mental side of the human. We can sit in front of the T.V. or play video games and such. Does it strike any alarm that we can do this with such ease with no alarm that we could be doing to our thought process and most of all to the learning ability that we have developed for at least 14 years in school! With that short rant can you see how much misunderstanding we have about our mental side!?! When some fruit ball is born we think that he/she is challenged! Sure some people are born with learning disabilities, I am one of them but does that give me the right to kill someone, HELL NO! It's a freaking learning disability, you learn differently then every body else. What I am talking about is the same as a physical defect but on the mental side. We have to accept it, but on the plus I can speak for this. The mind is the single greatest object in human history. Animals, when born the same way, die. They are either killed by their clan/family or eaten by some animal. Humans have the tremendous ability and challenge to change this defect. Hippies will classify this as a "learning disability" (whatever) it is a higher train of thought and responsibility. Something that the rest of us have but one person doesn't, but they learn it. Why? I cannot even begin to explain how "they" learn it. I know I had to understand that killing is bad. You take someone, their life. I have to think of when they where growing up, their friends, their girlfriends/boyfriends. Their friends, family, jobs, and things they did changes they made and you take it all away because you are a screw up. Do you still want to kill after that? Think about it, not for ten minutes but for a day, a week, a month and think about it all. Do you live your live by pure stimuli or by rational thoughts? Are you a meat package or a human being? Are you what it takes to be a part of life?

[Morticia Addams]

I agree I can see another "I didn't do it ,I was depressed" sob story coming up with that woman who took it upon her self to kill her FIVE children on her own. hunting down each child taking them in the bathroom holding them down while they struggled with their own mother and screamed for help from their mother who was killing them looking in their eyes and taking their last breath away from their fighting bodies,doing it OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER. please I say KILL THAT B*#!H ! ! ! !

I think people have all just got STUPID,SELFISH,SICK. What they need is to be given a one way ticket to HELL and left there to ROT.
Sorry I thought mankind should know better being the bright fore thinkers that we are. And we have people like these in other most decent society. Everyone has their faults. But to take another persons life is unforgivable.
At times I get angry at my self for being a animal eater.Such as hamburgers and chicken. Sometimes I think well Should I even be blabing about something like this.
Sorry for seeming so morbid
But harming a child as well as any one else to me is SICK and is MORBID.

[Joker1]

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I say show me who to smite and they shall be smoten!

But seriously what we need Zero Tolerance for is this kind of crap. Not Drugs, Hacking, or bringing a butter knife to school (not that these things aren't important to but thats a whole other matter). I mean REAL zero tolerance. We need to wipe these f&cked up people out of the species.

I say its time for genocide for all the sick f&cks.

And if their lawyers have anything to say about it, they know exactly where they can go.
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[Geek #1]

Surely it's not just the bartenders fault, what about the salesman who sold him the car, or the car manufacturer....

YOU, and only YOU are resonsible for your actions (well most of the time anyway), and if you cannot take responsiblity, I suppose you would need to be take into care and looked after.

It is partly to do with society, take the big yahoo about 10 years ago when the child experts wanted to ban violent/offensive films/tv shows because it was an influence on the younger generation. HUR!! Children should not be watching "Return of the Psycho Vampire Killers", and the parents/guardians are reponsible to make sure they don't watch them.

[Wayward Clam]

RANT

The big problem with society is that we have too much tolerance for stupid people.

People rant about controls over guns, speeding, parenting, drug, alcohol, cigarette abuse. Well, the fact of the matter is, society needs those controls--but it doesn't need them for responsible, intelligent people. Demographically, I'll bet a lot of cash that it's morons who shoot each other and themselves accidentally (or allow their kids to), who drink and drive, who crash speeding, who OD, who get pregnant young, etc. Sure, accidents happen and bad things happen to good people. But if you really wanted a stabler society where people got into less trouble, lawsuits were reduced 95%, and the hospitals and prisons were not overcrowded, you would make people pass a simple intelligence test before allowing them to vote, breed, drive, drink, own a gun, or operate a computer.

You don't let six year olds do these things. Why should you let stupid people?

END RANT

[Elbatcho]

Okay this is a us vrs them topic, but when you look at the crimes which have been commited in thlast 20 years they have gotten worse, we have also learned for tell tale signs. When I wa sin high school teens were killing themselfs in record numbers and now thay are killing each other. We can't ignore these people. The shooting in Longbeach was racialy motivated. He was upset at white people in genral, the shooting in england was a disturbed individuel who expressed that he was going to do something like this. When ever someone makes these types of staments we should be aware it may be a cry for help in what seems like a helpless world. These acts are commited by people who feel jusified in there acts and the media cover them and that is what these people want. They want you the view to understand that they can't taqke it any more. We should watch for these signs, we can't just sit their and continue to allow these crimes to happen. Given the nature of these crimes at one point or another the person expressed they were going to do this. Yes as society we have failed that man, and others because we didn't here his cry for help and respond. If someone is talking like that you should take action. You can't have the best of both worlds. Terorism is a show of force to voice an opionion and as long as we the citizens of this country continue to ignor the views and gripes of these people they will continue on. If you hear someone talking like this turn them in, stop them in there tracks. They need help. Tim Mcvey proved his gripe that the FBI was corrupt when he was put to death after more evidnce was relised, I don't agree with him and his actions but he did prove the fact that this nation must take a good hard look at itself and understand the fact that a lot of people are hurting and need profsional help. It's said it takes a village to rase a child well it also takes a village to make sure that that child becomes a productive member of society. I am by no means a libral but all I see are people going on about these crimes but not thinking about how we can stop them. Tim Mcvey admited guilt and knew what he did was wrong but wanted to bring a voice to his opinion, and we sit back and judge him by his actions but don't listen to what made him make this rash choice.

[WesFlash]

BIG problem was it was coming from a lawyer. Those guys get paid to find a loophole in laws, and there are obviously some there otherwise they wouldn't be able to use that defense. Also, they have taken an oath to dilligently serve their clients, which means to do a good job and even use the loopholes to support some outlandish reasonings for thier clients wrong doings. I don't hate lawyers, my wife is trying to become one.

[Mayet]

What a child experiences during their formative years will shape the future of that person. How they are treated Loved and cared for as a child will show how they respond and react to different events as adults..
Parents give birth to offspring with the responsibility to nurture and protect that child until they reach adult status. Unfortunately some have not and do not and for every parent that shows their offspring sadness or abuse there is usually two or more children too in their turn pass their bad experiences down to another two or more children... and so it snowballs....... the decay of society...
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[EvilCabbage]

rant

I didnt grow up with any father figure, I played violent video games (yay for Barbarian), and watched horror movies 'til the proverbial cows came home. Ive been the ultimate bad example, and often I still am.

Is it only a matter of time until I walk into work with an AK47? Methinks not.

All the bleeding heart, tree hugging, homosexual hippies can politely blow me. Napalm the crims, poison the hippies, have a coke and a smile, and shut the fsck up.

/rant

[Wayward Clam]

Originally posted by EvilCabbage:
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All the bleeding heart, tree hugging, homosexual hippies can politely blow me. Napalm the crims, poison the hippies, have a coke and a smile, and shut the fsck up.

/rant</STRONG>

EvilCabbage, I still grant that you have the coolest name at Windrivers.

But your opinion can only be described as ignorant.

The mods may delete this post and/or get mad at me, if so, fine. Sounds to me like it was high time this topic was closed or deleted anyways.

[Scuba]

I can see my self flipping one day.
the Question will be "Will any society be left to blame"..............

[small]

Here in the UK we have a fun thing called 'Care in the Community'. They're having a laugh. To save money, homes and hospitals for the mentally unstable were shut down and houses were purchased on large residential estates for the newly displaced to live in. Trouble is, no-one really cares, so care in the community is nill. We seem to have many people living on the streets who were former members of homes and hospitals, and those in the specially purchased houses have problems 'cos many 'normal' people don't like having them on their doorstep. So, in summation, it is partly societies fault over here, mainly driven by gross government underfunding and a 'could-not-care-less' attitude.

Rant over. (Smiles and waits for fallout.)