Warchalking??

[gazzak]

Aaaw damn. I guess I'll take over!

I didn't want to argue because he's esssentially right, and I can't really argue against that. It's a lose lose situation.

Since when did insurance companies live in the real world anyway? Where I live now you must have a 5 barrelled mortice lock just to qualify for insurance! The last time I was "burgled" they kicked the garage doors in, stole my lawn mower and didn't go near any lock

[ShadowDragon]

If they haven't got the sense to secure their wireless networks, (not difficult), then good luck to the free browsers.

good idea Gazzak

Give me your address and telephone # and credit card #
I'll make sure ALOT of my friends get it. By the way. I hope you like sushi

[gazzak]

good idea Gazzak

Give me your address and telephone # and credit card #
I'll make sure ALOT of my friends get it. By the way. I hope you like sushi

You're assuming I have credit. I don't. Yes I do like sushi, as long as you're paying.

[Gollo]

I didn't want to argue because he's esssentially right, and I can't really argue against that. It's a lose lose situation.

As for the other arguments: yes the theif may not get as serious a sentance then if he had to break a lock or anything else but the fact of the matter is that illegal is illegal wether it's just a little bit or a whole bunch. That was my point.

[Ya_know]

And a very good point it was, I might add...

[mongo69]

As for the other arguments: yes the theif may not get as serious a sentance then if he had to break a lock or anything else but the fact of the matter is that illegal is illegal wether it's just a little bit or a whole bunch. That was my point.

Forgive me for being ignorant but When I took my Check Point classes the law read that if some one gains access to your network with out having to compromise or other wise defeat a locking device such as a physical lock or a password protected entry point or any form of encryption than that is not a crime. Maybe that law has changed since then. So if someone finds your network in a wide open state and jumps on it that is not a crime and if that same person "Warchalks" that entry point that is only a misdemeanor under the graffiti law. Is this right, NO but if you dont have your network secured than thats your fault.

[Gollo]

Forgive me for being ignorant but When I took my Check Point classes the law read that if some one gains access to your network with out having to compromise or other wise defeat a locking device such as a physical lock or a password protected entry point or any form of encryption than that is not a crime. Maybe that law has changed since then. So if someone finds your network in a wide open state and jumps on it that is not a crime and if that same person "Warchalks" that entry point that is only a misdemeanor under the graffiti law. Is this right, NO but if you dont have your network secured than thats your fault.

I suggest you read up on the digital milenium act. What you just said is that I could go into an open office building (no locks on the doors during office hours) and plug into a network jack and use the connection just because there was nobody to stop me and no physical security (password or padlock)?
And yes it is a crime. It's called theft of service. You are stealing bandwith from that person.

[gazzak]

If a neighbours wireless network intrudes into the boundaries of my home, is that tresspass?

[Gollo]

If a neighbours wireless network intrudes into the boundaries of my home, is that tresspass?

lol good question! I'm gonna go with no though. (same thing could go for his cordless phone or what have you). That and the bandwith (2.4xxxghz) that is used is public domain meaning anybody can use it.

[Cleetus]

What if my neighbor has their windows open and is watching porn? Is it theft if I watch that way?

[Diver01]

Im getting dizzy can I get off now???

[RIOT]

What if my neighbor has their windows open and is watching porn? Is it theft if I watch that way?

...can I get off now???

I really didn't need to know that...

[Gollo]

I really didn't need to know that...

[meatwad]

What if my neighbor has their windows open and is watching porn? Is it theft if I watch that way?

Pay-per-view?

[mongo69]

I suggest you read up on the digital milenium act. What you just said is that I could plug into a network jack and use the connection just because there was nobody to stop me and no physical security (password or padlock)
And yes it is a crime. It's called theft of service. You are stealing bandwith from that person.

Once again forgive me for being ignorant or maybe I should forgive you. The Digital Millennium Act of 1998 deals with piracy. It :

· Makes it a crime to circumvent anti-piracy measures built into most commercial software.

· Outlaws the manufacture, sale, or distribution of code-cracking devices used to illegally copy software.

· Does permit the cracking of copyright protection devices, however, to conduct encryption research, assess product interoperability, and test computer security systems.

· Provides exemptions from anti-circumvention provisions for nonprofit libraries, archives, and educational institutions under certain circumstances.

· In general, limits Internet service providers from copyright infringement liability for simply transmitting information over the Internet.
go into an open office building (no locks on the doors during office hours) and plug into a network jack and use the connection just because there was nobody to stop me and no physical security (password or padlock)?
· Service providers, however, are expected to remove material from users' web sites that appears to constitute copyright infringement.

· Limits liability of nonprofit institutions of higher education -- when they serve as online service providers and under certain circumstances -- for copyright infringement by faculty members or graduate students.

· Requires that "webcasters" pay licensing fees to record companies.

· Requires that the Register of Copyrights, after consultation with relevant parties, submit to Congress recommendations regarding how to promote distance education through digital technologies while "maintaining an appropriate balance between the rights of copyright owners and the needs of users."

· States explicitly that "[n]othing in this section shall affect rights, remedies, limitations, or defenses to copyright infringement, including fair use..."

Am I right on this one or am I just reading this all wrong? so maybe it is you that needs to read up on your Acts. Also yes it is a crime for what you said if you were to "go into an open office building (no locks on the doors during office hours) and plug into a network jack and use the connection just because there was nobody to stop me and no physical security (password or padlock)" Why you might ask? Well I am glad you asked just by the mer fact you have no official business there or on that network that in itself is a crime you are still unlawfully entering the building just because of your "intent". In this case the use of the word "intent" is Your intent is to plug into a network jack and use the connection with no official business of that connection but to steal. One last note Millennium is spelt this way not your way (milenium) and so is bandwidth not yours (bandwith).