Shared documents

liviu68 · January 7th, 2002, 08:55 AM

I have some pictures that are not "ad usum Delphini", so i don't want my seven years old son to see them. I don't succeed to make them private.
How should I do that?
Must partitions be NTFS?
Thanks

Russ192 · January 7th, 2002, 09:26 AM

Hmmm, okay. I would stick them on a floppy disk to honest with u. Create yourself an account and add a password it will ask you if you want to make your documents private. This is a NTFS feature i belive. Make sure they are in your documents folder.
Give the kids a limited account and hide the drives in My Computer if your paranoid or dont want NTFS.

Sandman72 · January 7th, 2002, 09:41 AM

really need to have NTFS to have file level security. You could try hiding the folder but that really won't stop a somewhat savy kid that knows they are there. Best bet otherwise is burn to cd rom a store in locked place. Still won't stop the kids but at least you can make it difficult.

Ya_know · January 7th, 2002, 10:01 AM

NTFS is required if you wish to use file/folder security. It is also important to ensure that you use different login accounts for yourself and your children. Granting them less than administrative group membership is required... if you should miss this, and they are smart enough to do it, they will be able to take ownership and change permissions on every NTFS partition on that system, regardless of your new settings. Also be sure you lock the station if you are logged in and walk away, they could always go in and grant themselves admin rights, and you would never know until you audit their account memberships.

You may also want to look into the Encrypted File System, which will permit you to password protect files and folders. Goto the OS Help, and type EFS in the index, you should find good explanations. Now, I don’t know if EFS only work in NTFS. It would seem logical, but it might be available in FAT32 as well. Can someone confirm or deny this?

Ya_know · January 7th, 2002, 10:09 AM

Here is somthing on file level security. It should keep you busy

Windows 2K is very similar to XP, and all in the article should apply...

<a href="http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q300691" target="_blank">HOW TO: Set Up a Windows 2000 File System for Secure Access (Q300691)</a>
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liviu68 · January 7th, 2002, 04:24 PM

Thanks to all.
Of course, first time i tried to create a 'limited user' account for my son (that is i prefer), but the problem was the sound (AC'97) and the mouse (wireless, 2 scroll wheels). As limited user the sound didn't worked in Media Player (i get a message: 'You don't have a sound card' !? ) and games and the mouse worked as a standard mouse with 2 buttons. The big problem is the sound.
Now, I moved My Documents to a partition that is NTFS and in this way I could make the folder private (only in this way - if the partition is not NTFS it doesn't work, i tried). After that i created for my son an administrator account (to hear sound in games and to use mouse at full capacity) and asked (ordered) him not to change my password. ;-P
Therefore, if anyone can tell me how to make available sound for a limited user account, this would be the best. By the way, at a friend with exactly the same model of motherboard and processor (Duron 750) the sound works fine, even as limited user.
Thanks again

Ya_know · January 7th, 2002, 07:13 PM

When you say you had a limited user where sound didn't work, and your friend had a limited user where sound worked, all on the same hardware, were these limited users similar? If you use the local Power User group, you should be able to access all hardware, but power user doesn't have the ability to take ownership of an administrator only owned folder. You may want to try it again, see what happens…

liviu68 · January 12th, 2002, 03:27 AM

Sorry being late!
I created a NEW limited user automatically and my friend did the same thing. The sound work at him and didn't work at me. This is driving my crazy

Thanks

Ya_know · January 12th, 2002, 04:04 PM

You are still unclear what you mean by a "limited user". What group membership do you use for this user, and what does your friend use?

liviu68 · January 12th, 2002, 05:09 PM

Thanks for listening me!
I do the things in this mode:
START->Control Panel->User Accounts->Create a new account->Name of new account (I give a name)->Pick an account type (between 'Computer administrator' and ' Limited' - I choose 'Limited') and I press the button 'Create account'.
Then I log off and log on again as this new user (just created) - and the sound doesn't work, but it does to my friend (where I did the same operations).

Sowulo · January 12th, 2002, 06:00 PM

Default XP group types are:

Administrators
Backup Operators
Power Users
Users
Guests
Replicator

You have groups that are in addition to these defaults thus it is highly likely that whoever created the 'limited user' groups on your two systems did not make all the setting identical on both....double-check the group settings on each and see what's different.

liviu68 · February 1st, 2002, 04:18 AM

Thanks to all who tried to help me!

I found the source of problems: F-Secure for win2000 (is july 2001 old) is not compatible with WinXP. After its installation the sound on a limited user didn't worked. After removing it the sound worked. And so, i tried few times. After, i tried that at my friend and the things was the same.
Thanks again.

Ya_know · February 1st, 2002, 10:04 AM

Thanks for the update. It is good to hear about successes.

Tell me what F-secure is. I don't know currently...

Raffaz · February 1st, 2002, 03:01 PM

How about getting zip drive, they are password protected. Just a thought.

Mick

January 7th, 2002, 08:55 AM	#1
liviu68 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Romania Posts: 6	Shared documents I have some pictures that are not "ad usum Delphini", so i don't want my seven years old son to see them. I don't succeed to make them private. How should I do that? Must partitions be NTFS? Thanks

January 12th, 2002, 06:00 PM	#11
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January 7th, 2002, 09:26 AM	#2
Russ192 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2000 Posts: 108	Hmmm, okay. I would stick them on a floppy disk to honest with u. Create yourself an account and add a password it will ask you if you want to make your documents private. This is a NTFS feature i belive. Make sure they are in your documents folder. Give the kids a limited account and hide the drives in My Computer if your paranoid or dont want NTFS.

January 7th, 2002, 09:41 AM	#3
Sandman72 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Michigan Posts: 165	really need to have NTFS to have file level security. You could try hiding the folder but that really won't stop a somewhat savy kid that knows they are there. Best bet otherwise is burn to cd rom a store in locked place. Still won't stop the kids but at least you can make it difficult.

January 7th, 2002, 10:01 AM	#4
Ya_know Banned Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 10,692	NTFS is required if you wish to use file/folder security. It is also important to ensure that you use different login accounts for yourself and your children. Granting them less than administrative group membership is required... if you should miss this, and they are smart enough to do it, they will be able to take ownership and change permissions on every NTFS partition on that system, regardless of your new settings. Also be sure you lock the station if you are logged in and walk away, they could always go in and grant themselves admin rights, and you would never know until you audit their account memberships. You may also want to look into the Encrypted File System, which will permit you to password protect files and folders. Goto the OS Help, and type EFS in the index, you should find good explanations. Now, I don’t know if EFS only work in NTFS. It would seem logical, but it might be available in FAT32 as well. Can someone confirm or deny this?

January 7th, 2002, 10:09 AM	#5
Ya_know Banned Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 10,692	Here is somthing on file level security. It should keep you busy Windows 2K is very similar to XP, and all in the article should apply... <a href="http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q300691" target="_blank">HOW TO: Set Up a Windows 2000 File System for Secure Access (Q300691)</a> . . .

January 7th, 2002, 04:24 PM	#6
liviu68 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Romania Posts: 6	Thanks to all. Of course, first time i tried to create a 'limited user' account for my son (that is i prefer), but the problem was the sound (AC'97) and the mouse (wireless, 2 scroll wheels). As limited user the sound didn't worked in Media Player (i get a message: 'You don't have a sound card' !? ) and games and the mouse worked as a standard mouse with 2 buttons. The big problem is the sound. Now, I moved My Documents to a partition that is NTFS and in this way I could make the folder private (only in this way - if the partition is not NTFS it doesn't work, i tried). After that i created for my son an administrator account (to hear sound in games and to use mouse at full capacity) and asked (ordered) him not to change my password. ;-P Therefore, if anyone can tell me how to make available sound for a limited user account, this would be the best. By the way, at a friend with exactly the same model of motherboard and processor (Duron 750) the sound works fine, even as limited user. Thanks again

January 7th, 2002, 07:13 PM	#7
Ya_know Banned Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 10,692	When you say you had a limited user where sound didn't work, and your friend had a limited user where sound worked, all on the same hardware, were these limited users similar? If you use the local Power User group, you should be able to access all hardware, but power user doesn't have the ability to take ownership of an administrator only owned folder. You may want to try it again, see what happens…

January 12th, 2002, 03:27 AM	#8
liviu68 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Romania Posts: 6	Sorry being late! I created a NEW limited user automatically and my friend did the same thing. The sound work at him and didn't work at me. This is driving my crazy Thanks

January 12th, 2002, 04:04 PM	#9
Ya_know Banned Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 10,692	You are still unclear what you mean by a "limited user". What group membership do you use for this user, and what does your friend use?

January 12th, 2002, 05:09 PM	#10
liviu68 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Romania Posts: 6	Thanks for listening me! I do the things in this mode: START->Control Panel->User Accounts->Create a new account->Name of new account (I give a name)->Pick an account type (between 'Computer administrator' and ' Limited' - I choose 'Limited') and I press the button 'Create account'. Then I log off and log on again as this new user (just created) - and the sound doesn't work, but it does to my friend (where I did the same operations).

February 1st, 2002, 04:18 AM	#12
liviu68 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Romania Posts: 6	Thanks to all who tried to help me! I found the source of problems: F-Secure for win2000 (is july 2001 old) is not compatible with WinXP. After its installation the sound on a limited user didn't worked. After removing it the sound worked. And so, i tried few times. After, i tried that at my friend and the things was the same. Thanks again.

February 1st, 2002, 10:04 AM	#13
Ya_know Banned Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 10,692	Thanks for the update. It is good to hear about successes. Tell me what F-secure is. I don't know currently...