A couple of questions about Win98SE?

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February 14th, 2004, 09:26 AM
riddellcomp

A couple of questions about Win98SE?

I have a couple of questions about WIn98SE as follows.

1. I am trying to install WIN98Se onto a formatted drive. As it is an upgrade disc it asks to put in the original win98 disc and browse to the setup file. However when I do this I get a window saying the original setup files could not be found. I tried D:\Win98\setup and D:\setup. Anyone know what to do here?

2. How do I stop the logon screen eveytime Windows starts. I'ts not the Microsoft networking logon screen but the Windows logon screen.
February 14th, 2004, 09:56 AM
TripleRLtd

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Originally Posted by riddellcomp

I have a couple of questions about WIn98SE as follows.

1. I am trying to install WIN98Se onto a formatted drive. As it is an upgrade disc it asks to put in the original win98 disc and browse to the setup file. However when I do this I get a window saying the original setup files could not be found. I tried D:\Win98\setup and D:\setup. Anyone know what to do here?

2. How do I stop the logon screen eveytime Windows starts. I'ts not the Microsoft networking logon screen but the Windows logon screen.

Are you sure that the drive letter is D? If you boot from the CD it should be E:\Windows. That is all you need, not "setup" .
February 14th, 2004, 10:01 AM
TripleRLtd

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Originally Posted by riddellcomp

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2. How do I stop the logon screen eveytime Windows starts. I'ts not the Microsoft networking logon screen but the Windows logon screen.

WinLogon appears the first time you run windows. If you type in a password, it will appear everytime. If you don't type a password you won't see it anymore. Since passwords are useless on 98, I suggest you go in to Control Panel/Passwords and change password to "blank", meaning nothing.
February 14th, 2004, 10:26 AM
riddellcomp

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Originally Posted by TripleRLtd

Are you sure that the drive letter is D? If you boot from the CD it should be E:\Windows. That is all you need, not "setup" .

Actually I just chose D for the sake of the example I was giving. The cd-rom drive was E and the win98 disc was put into the cd burner which was F. I tried browsing to f, and it wouldnt work so I then tried F:\setup then F:\win98\setup. Still wouldnt work. I have tried this before on another PC and had the same problem. The Win98 was OEM but I didnt think that should matter to the upgrade disc.

As for the password I didnt enter anything when I was first prompted I just clicked on cancel yet I am still prompted at boot up everytime. I thought clicking cancel would disable the password feature.
February 14th, 2004, 10:39 AM
NooNoo

In theory it does, in practice, control panel, network, choose windows logon instead of client for ms networks. Remove any *.pwl files it may have created by default.

As to your first question, is it the same cd as was used to setup the 98 in the first place? If it's any old 98 cd, then chances are the version type(s) do not match and you will have this problem.

I just been through this malarky with Visio 2002. Ended up uninstalling it, reinstalling it just to get the freaking security patch to apply. :sad:
February 14th, 2004, 11:32 AM
riddellcomp

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Originally Posted by NooNoo

In theory it does, in practice, control panel, network, choose windows logon instead of client for ms networks. Remove any *.pwl files it may have created by default.

As to your first question, is it the same cd as was used to setup the 98 in the first place? If it's any old 98 cd, then chances are the version type(s) do not match and you will have this problem.

I just been through this malarky with Visio 2002. Ended up uninstalling it, reinstalling it just to get the freaking security patch to apply. :sad:

I didnt think it would matter if it were the same cd or not because the drive had been formated anyway. How would the Se cd know if the 98 cd was the original one anyway? Wouldnt it only need to see that one does exist?
He originally got win98 with the machine and then brought win98SE at a later stage. I think that when it was installed that time around though Win98 was already installed. I ended up having to install win98 first and then the upgrade but I was wondering why this isnt working as its the second time its happened with different discs each time. When it asks for the win98 disc to verify qualification for upgrade I assumed it wouldnt matter what win98 disc was used as long as there was one.
February 14th, 2004, 11:46 AM
geoscomp

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Originally Posted by riddellcomp

I didnt think it would matter if it were the same cd or not because the drive had been formated anyway. How would the Se cd know if the 98 cd was the original one anyway? Wouldnt it only need to see that one does exist?
He originally got win98 with the machine and then brought win98SE at a later stage. I think that when it was installed that time around though Win98 was already installed. I ended up having to install win98 first and then the upgrade but I was wondering why this isnt working as its the second time its happened with different discs each time. When it asks for the win98 disc to verify qualification for upgrade I assumed it wouldnt matter what win98 disc was used as long as there was one.

It doesn't matter..98se is just making sure you have some previous version of the os since youare installing from an upgrade disk. The correct place would be to list the cd drive letter and then just 'win98' without the ' marks. don't use setup..it is looking for the cab files, not the setup.exe file. For example, if your cd drive is F during setup, the correct entry would be F:\win98
Remember that if you are running the setup on a newly formatted disk, the cd drive letter will not be what it normally is when windows is installed though..it is usually one drive letter higher due to the virtual drive that setup uses

next time that windows logon screen comes up, instead of hitting cancel, just hit enter with no password and you won't see it again
February 14th, 2004, 06:18 PM
riddellcomp

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Originally Posted by geoscomp

It doesn't matter..98se is just making sure you have some previous version of the os since youare installing from an upgrade disk. The correct place would be to list the cd drive letter and then just 'win98' without the ' marks. don't use setup..it is looking for the cab files, not the setup.exe file. For example, if your cd drive is F during setup, the correct entry would be F:\win98
Remember that if you are running the setup on a newly formatted disk, the cd drive letter will not be what it normally is when windows is installed though..it is usually one drive letter higher due to the virtual drive that setup uses

Thats the problem though. I tried everything. The cd was in drive F so first I just browsed to F and clicked okay but it gave me the "Your previous version....could not be found." So then I tried browsing to F:\win98 folder but still no luck. Thats when I manually typed in F:\win98\setup and then F:\setup as I know there are setup files in both areas. Should I have tried navigating to the cabs folder????
I thought F:\win98 would have worked in the first place but I know sometimes when you install drivers you have to drill down to the correct subfolder so I figured thats what was happening here.
It was the exact same thing last time I did this and that was with two completely different win98 and win98se discs.
February 14th, 2004, 10:24 PM
TripleRLtd

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Originally Posted by riddellcomp

Thats the problem though. I tried everything. The cd was in drive F so first I just browsed to F and clicked okay but it gave me the "Your previous version....could not be found." So then I tried browsing to F:\win98 folder but still no luck. Thats when I manually typed in F:\win98\setup and then F:\setup as I know there are setup files in both areas. Should I have tried navigating to the cabs folder????
I thought F:\win98 would have worked in the first place but I know sometimes when you install drivers you have to drill down to the correct subfolder so I figured thats what was happening here.
It was the exact same thing last time I did this and that was with two completely different win98 and win98se discs.

As has previously been said, you don't need to point the search to the "setup" file itself. Only the drive letter and then the "Windows" folder. Listen riddell, give this a try: when it asks for your previous version, eject the install cd and then put in the previous version into the same drawer.Then let it try to find it. Do NOT use a different CD Rom at this time, only use one CD Rom drive. Call it an intuition, but give this a try. This has nothing to do with "version" types. An upgrade is just that: an upgrade of the OS. The install NEEDS to see that you are eligible. If it does not see the prior version, it will not allow the upgrade. We need to make the install SEE the old version!!! If it does not see your 98 OEM version, then it is a hardware problem. If that is the case: copy the ORIGINAL cd's "Windows" folder to the hard drive and then point it there, and give it a go. Good luck guy.
February 15th, 2004, 02:34 AM
riddellcomp

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Originally Posted by TripleRLtd

As has previously been said, you don't need to point the search to the "setup" file itself. Only the drive letter and then the "Windows" folder. Listen riddell, give this a try: when it asks for your previous version, eject the install cd and then put in the previous version into the same drawer.Then let it try to find it. Do NOT use a different CD Rom at this time, only use one CD Rom drive. Call it an intuition, but give this a try. This has nothing to do with "version" types. An upgrade is just that: an upgrade of the OS. The install NEEDS to see that you are eligible. If it does not see the prior version, it will not allow the upgrade. We need to make the install SEE the old version!!! If it does not see your 98 OEM version, then it is a hardware problem. If that is the case: copy the ORIGINAL cd's "Windows" folder to the hard drive and then point it there, and give it a go. Good luck guy.

The last time I had this problem the computer only had one cd-rom so I did take out the SE disc put in the old win98 disc and clicked on next.
I still got the same problem I am having this time around. Thats when I decided to try brwosing to various folders on the cd but nothing I did would work.
It doesnt matter now as I ended up installing win98 and then installing win98se over the top but it was frustrating that its happened twice now on two different machines. I understand what your saying in your posts and believe me I am doing everything you say to do. I just can't figure out what's going on.