What kind of chip should I buy and what are the advantages of either one of them besides speed?
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What kind of chip should I buy and what are the advantages of either one of them besides speed?
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neither, cyrix is the way to go. I have heard that a quad 386 25 SX will put any dual P3 rig to shame.
Okay, seriously though, this topic has been on this forum way to many times, you are not going to find a definite answer to you're question so all you should do is flip a coin or look through some of the older topics that asked the same thing.
Go here...............
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I have an Intel P75 for sale if anyone is interested.
Here we go with the war again.....ok, lemee hereby cast my vote...go buy a Transmeta. https://forums.windrivers.com/
Seriously, I'm an Athlon guy....their performance is equal clock-for-clock to a P3, and an Athlon 1.2 will outperform a Pentium 4 1.5. A Pentium III will give you great performance too. You know what the biggest deciding factor is between the CPUs? Which motherboard you want. Find the motherboard you like, from the company you like, with the features you want...if it's available in both, then flip a coin...but if it's only available for 1 CPU, then you're decision's made! https://forums.windrivers.com/
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Both (AMD/Intel) are fine processors, with each having a small edge in a smattering of benchmarks, depending on which you place more faith in. Neither cpu on a quality MB is going to seem "slow" in any reasonable application, and frankly, for games with typical preferred high resolutions, it's a toss-up due to video card performance anyway.(I'm referring strictly to the P3/T-bird comparisons...Durons are nice too, but T-Birds have come down so much in price lately.) (And darn, those T-Birds have nice prices lately!)Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Geneva, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by tshano:
What kind of chip should I buy and what are the advantages of either one of them besides speed?</font>
Advantages: Niether will fit in a MAC.
Disadvantages: Niether will run UNIX
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l guess you mean BESIDES those 1000 Linux distributions, 7 free BSD's and 2 VMS's? https://forums.windrivers.com/Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Geneva, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by goinpostal:
Disadvantages: Niether will run UNIX
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My vote: AMD sux!!! BuY iNt3L!!! Ok, now this argument should be going for three MORE months! https://forums.windrivers.com/
Seriously, whatever is on sale. Search around, figure out exactly what you need the most, and get what fits your standards.
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As someone else said find the mobo you like and if it supports both figure out what you want to spend
amd is a little lower in price than intel
both are good processors.
(personal preference is amd tbird)
by the way both processors will run linux and unix
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Directions???? What are directions?????
I wonder if this new version of the Bulletin Board that Scott installed has a way of filtering out AMD vs. Intel topics, just like it does with swear words????
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Shows how much I know about UNIX.
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I prefer the IDT WinChip 200 on a nice PC Chips board
I heard that AMD has a overheating problem, is this true?
Press the "search" button and type "Intel or AMD", or "Intel vs. AMD". Then hit the search button.
I'm pretty sure you'll find an answer!
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I have not had any problems with any AMD's overheating.
The usual problem for a burned out cpu is someone attempting to use a $3 socket 7 fan on a T-Bird. Although the cpus do tend to run a bit warmer than Intel cpus, with a decent fan of about $15 in value, they are just plain fine. https://forums.windrivers.com/Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Geneva, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by tshano:
I heard that AMD has a overheating problem, is this true?</font>
This will not get him an answer, if nothing else, it will confuse him even more.Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Geneva, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by AlienDyne:
Press the "search" button and type "Intel or AMD", or "Intel vs. AMD". Then hit the search button.
I'm pretty sure you'll find an answer!
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The best thing to do, is listen to what everyone has to say. Then ignore them all. Look at what YOU need to do with it, what you want to spend, and get it.
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AMD K6-2 350 running a fresh install of Windows 95b with no patches or SP's.
WOW! In conclusion......what shall I buy?
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If I were you, after seeing all this, I'd go buy an ALtair, or a nice shiny new 8088 processor. https://forums.windrivers.com/Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Geneva, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by tshano:
WOW! In conclusion......what shall I buy?
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Hahahhaa thats a good one Dos Tech, a real good one. I hope other people understand the sarcasm in that last post https://forums.windrivers.com/
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Geneva, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by AlienDyne:
Press the "search" button and type "Intel or AMD", or "Intel vs. AMD". Then hit the search button.
I'm pretty sure you'll find an answer!
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That's exactly what I was trying to say!Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Geneva, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by LORE:
This will not get him an answer, if nothing else, it will confuse him even more.
The best thing to do, is listen to what everyone has to say. Then ignore them all. Look at what YOU need to do with it, what you want to spend, and get it.
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Confusion is the only answer on this topic!
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Geneva, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by tshano:
WOW! In conclusion......what shall I buy?
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if you are looking for a straight amd or intel answer then you came to the wrong place. we all have our own preferences on what we believe is the best processor (amd https://forums.windrivers.com/ ). go to some redneck convention and ask what type of truck you should buy, chevy or ford, you won't get a definite answer their either. this is a question for ages and it will never be answered. sorry but you're gonna have to be a big girl or boy and make the decision yourslef cause we aren't going to do it for you.
This is an open forum on computer problems and computer theory questions. then again, you could always ask al gore, i think he invented both processors, he should be able to tell you which is the better processor. he has some spare time on his hands now.....
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Joey3K I think your the only one thaqt got the joke
Intel is the way to go my friend! First of all, Intel contains MMX. Instruction code in which AMD doesn't have. AMD's had and still have 3/4 the code a Pentium would. I can say this with confidence since I used to have a machine (still do, just rebuilt) that originally had an AMD, it crashed all the time. It couldn't perform well. I just rebuilt it and rather AMD, I put a Pentium III and it has been running smoothe and fast since, not one crash yet! So, take my word, go INTEL! (Not to mention they invented the microprocessor)
I wasn't gonna get back into this, but I can not STAND a person who backs up his or her opinon with flagrant technical inaccuracy. WHich decade are you living in? FIrst of all, Intel may have invented the microprocessor (the 4004, for a japanese calculator) but guess who produced them for Intel, way back when? AMD! And I have 2 AMD 8088 CPUs to prove it. Second, where did you get the idea that AMD cpus didn't support MMX? They have since the K6-2, supported MMX...and this INCLUDES the Athlons and Durons. Check out the specifications of the processor you are about to attempt to insult, and stop trying to insult our intelligence. AMD not only supports MMX, but a set of SIMD extensions called 3DNow...they INVENTED SIMD extensions for 3D! Long before Intel had anything beyond MMX!Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Geneva, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by unknownGHOST:
Intel is the way to go my friend! First of all, Intel contains MMX. Instruction code in which AMD doesn't have. AMD's had and still have 3/4 the code a Pentium would. I can say this with confidence since I used to have a machine (still do, just rebuilt) that originally had an AMD, it crashed all the time. It couldn't perform well. I just rebuilt it and rather AMD, I put a Pentium III and it has been running smoothe and fast since, not one crash yet! So, take my word, go INTEL! (Not to mention they invented the microprocessor)</font>
If you'd like, I can publish the related specs here, but most people already know them. I find it sad that you haven't researched your position. AMD has been one of the more innovative companies in microprocessors...they were also the first to come out with 3.3v 486 processors too.
Keep in mind I am NOT some sort of AMD Nazi...I respect innovation in technology. Intel invented multimedia extensions...which is a good thing. Intel made multiple X86 CPUs happen...also a good thing. Intell recalled their 1.13 ghz cpus...bad. I also happen to like Transmeta and their Crusoe CPU....that is an incredible innovation, and definitely a unique way of doing things.
Bottom line...if you insist on arguing, argue intelligently, ok?
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And if you can't argue intelligently, bring politics into it!Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Geneva, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by NPaladin:
Bottom line...if you insist on arguing, argue intelligently, ok? </font>
l own nothing but Intel's here, but never again. l'm sure by now everyone has heard about Intel (and friends) pushing this CPRM on all the hardware manufacturers...l'm not saying my $200 being given to a competitor is going to crush Intel, but at the very least, on a large scale, it will tell the OEM's that the people are dissatisfied with the proposed theories, enough that it might not pan out.
Both AMD and Intel make a quality processor, the differance in performance is, in MOST cases, unnoticeable, so it is really a matter of what sounds better on the day you have the money to buy. So if you can't decide which is a technically better design after drudging through these posts, just pick the lesser of two evils! https://forums.windrivers.com/
who cares .. i own amd chips ... they both are good one is coke and ones pepsi .. who cares ... stop the fighting ..man dont you all have better things to do!!!!
unknownGHOST you shouldn't be posting in Tech-to-Tech, try something in your own league - like "Newbies Room"
no one has mentioned the major determinig factor between two "equals".....PRICE!! if i can get a t-bird 1ghz for half the price of a piii. evenif the t-bird burns out(not likely) i've still managed to save $200...seems pretty simple to me
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Geneva, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by unknownGHOST:
Intel is the way to go my friend! First of all, Intel contains MMX. Instruction code in which AMD doesn't have. AMD's had and still have 3/4 the code a Pentium would. I can say this with confidence since I used to have a machine (still do, just rebuilt) that originally had an AMD, it crashed all the time. It couldn't perform well. I just rebuilt it and rather AMD, I put a Pentium III and it has been running smoothe and fast since, not one crash yet! So, take my word, go INTEL! (Not to mention they invented the microprocessor)</font>
OMG does this guy own intel stock or is he really that stupid? Anyway sorry about that, never had a problem running AMDs been running them since NexGen (he he). If you really worried about the t-bird overheating get a good cooler not one built for a 486. If you have trouble finding a good fan email me and I will sell you one cheap!
Well lets see I put in my plug for selling stuff, ranted, etc. I guess I done for this post.
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By the time you buy a $40+ fan that I see so many of the AMD people here recommending, the certified 300W power supply AMD requires, and the certified RAM, is the AMD really a significantly cheaper chip? Just wondering. p.s. not to mention messing with the VIA chipsets....
Look, another Intel stockholder! Lemee clear up some facts:Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Geneva, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by sowulo:
By the time you buy a $40+ fan that I see so many of the AMD people here recommending, the certified 300W power supply AMD requires, and the certified RAM, is the AMD really a significantly cheaper chip? Just wondering. p.s. not to mention messing with the VIA chipsets....</font>
You can get an AMD 1 GHZ approved Coolermaster fan for $15
Simple systems run fine with a 250 watt power supply....modem, VDC, CDR and CDRW..and I'm talking a GeForce2MX VDC.
Yeah, you have to get certified RAM...if you check out AccessMicro.com, you'll find 256 MB sticks of AMD-certified RAM for under $150, and it has a lifetime warranty.
More facts:
To buy Intel's latest processor you MUST buy a new case with a new powers supply...300 watt.
The fan is so huge on the P4 it has to be bolted to the case through 4 special holes.
The RAM is horribly expensive, and nothing will change that, because Rambus claims they invented RAM (I can't WAIT until IBM brings out MRAM..let's see Rambus mess with Big Blue! Hah!)
The P4 itself is horribly expensive, and usually doesn't top a 1 ghz Athlon in performance, unless you measure pure memory bandwidth (without accounting for latency) or use a set of instructions no one's using yet.
I personally thing the P4 is a mistake, and am waiting for the IA64 vs. x86-64 battle. The Pentium 3 is a good processor, and is the only way to go for SMP right now. Oh...and what's wrong with VIA chipsets?
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And no I don't own Intel stocks or shares, I just like all my customers to be happy ones, which is why they buy Intel.Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Geneva, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by NPaladin:
Simple systems run fine with a 250 watt power supply....modem, VDC, CDR and CDRW..and I'm talking a GeForce2MX VDC.
Try telling that to the customer that I had in yesterday whose 250W AMD Approved PSU that works fine kept causing a 1Ghz T-Bird to reboot constantly until I changed it for a 350W! Nothing fancy in the system either. 8Mb ATI Xpert98, single 10Gb HDD, single 50x CD-Rom drive.
More facts:
To buy Intel's latest processor you MUST buy a new case with a new powers supply...300 watt.
Not entirely true. Look at Asus's new P4 MOBO which fits into a standard ATX case as it is supplied with a Patented back plate conversion. Looks as if it will work with normal ATX PSU's as well.
The RAM is horribly expensive, and nothing will change that, because Rambus claims they invented RAM (I can't WAIT until IBM brings out MRAM..let's see Rambus mess with Big Blue! Hah!)
True, but look at the price of DDR SDRAM for the new gen of Athlons.
The P4 itself is horribly expensive, and usually doesn't top a 1 ghz Athlon in performance, unless you measure pure memory bandwidth (without accounting for latency) or use a set of instructions no one's using yet.
Aren't ALL CPU's Expensive when first released???
I personally thing the P4 is a mistake, and am waiting for the IA64 vs. x86-64 battle. The Pentium 3 is a good processor, and is the only way to go for SMP right now.
I don't think the P4 is a mistake at all. If that is the case thenall new technology is a waste of time, so we may as well go back to our original systems we bought and tell the customers not to bother upgrading.
Oh...and what's wrong with VIA chipsets?
The drivers are utter crap and are about as stable as a 2 legged donkey after a night in a pub.
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Uhhh.... AMD is cool, huh huh hu hu
I could care less about Intel stock--after a divorce 3 years ago I'll be lucky to ever put a penny into savings again. I merely pointed out the details of what I've gleaned from being an active member of this site. Selling Intel only and avoiding VIA when possible, I've never seen any of the problems most often posted here. Why is it that most of the problem posts involve VIA chipsets, AMD processors, and GEForce video? The AMD could very well be a superior chip but what good is it if everything that goes with it has so many issues? I need to sell stability--as an independent, I can't afford to make 'tweak' warranty calls that I can't invoice. Perhaps when AMD's MB chipset is ready for mass shipment I'll have another option...
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Geneva, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Darren Wilson:
Try telling that to the customer that I had in yesterday whose 250W AMD Approved PSU that works fine kept causing a 1Ghz T-Bird to reboot constantly until I changed it for a 350W! Nothing fancy in the system either. 8Mb ATI Xpert98, single 10Gb HDD, single 50x CD-Rom drive.
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Really? Hmm...that's interesting....that woulnd't happen to have been a Deer brand power supply, would it? I had trouble with them too...in essence they're pretty much 145 watt power supplies that can burst to 250 watt...some guy in Taiwan makes them in his basement. https://forums.windrivers.com/ Once I switched to Fong Kais (And quit my job....the guy who owned the store was HORRIBLY cheap) I didn't have any trouble.
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Not entirely true. Look at Asus's new P4 MOBO which fits into a standard ATX case as it is supplied with a Patented back plate conversion. Looks as if it will work with normal ATX PSU's as well.
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Perhaps, but the point I was trying to get across was that you have to buy a new case with both AMD and Intel's latest processors....do you know if the P4 requires a minimum 300 watt power supply? That IS interesting about the board...hadn't heard about that.
True...I will admit it's expensive, and I woulnd't touch it. But that just came to the consumer market, and Rambus has been there quite a while, so you also have to consider that. And with Rambus putting the muscle on Hitachi and everyone else for DDR, I doubt I'd buy a DDR board anyway...I'll wait for IBM's MRAM.Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Geneva, Arial" size="2">True, but look at the price of DDR SDRAM for the new gen of Athlons.
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Yep, my bad. Thing is though, Intel's getting like Microsoft in this area, don't you think? Releasing a product before it's reached it's peak usability through testing. I do realize that once the P4 scales up in clock, it should be a fantasitc-running CPU....but I wonder why they just didn't wait until it could outperform an Athlon 1.2 before releasing it, by releasing a 1.8 ghz initially or something.Quote:
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Geneva, Arial" size="2">Aren't ALL CPU's Expensive when first released???
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, Geneva, Arial" size="2">I don't think the P4 is a mistake at all. If that is the case thenall new technology is a waste of time, so we may as well go back to our original systems we bought and tell the customers not to bother upgrading.
THat's what I tell people who are interested in the P4...don't bother upgrading at this point. New Technology IS important, but most companies wait until it's reached a certain maturity before releasing it. From what I understand in Intel's roadmat, IA-64 will be out before the P4 reaches 2 Ghz...so they'll have 2 technologies out that could potentially take market share from each other.Quote:
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Oh...and I've never really had ANY trouble with VIA chipsets in general...I have one in my system and it's stable as you could possibly believe. It may be more the motherboard design that the VIA chipset that
s causing your problems, you know. But I do admit that connecting the Northbridge and Southbridge via the PCI bus is something that needs to change.
I think me and Darren need our own forum for this discussion....we get REAL technical. https://forums.windrivers.com/
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