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this is still part of last nights seurgical strike...
later on this evening, is when operation shock and awe, might start....
then again saddam could give up and then it's all over.
Anyone here trully believe he could already be dead or seriously wounded?Quote:
Originally posted by Chris_MacMahon
then again saddam could give up and then it's all over.
he's not hurt, just hiding in a bunker somewhere. they'll get him sooner or later
i dont' know...
there was a report out earlier in the year that saddam, had like 4-5 doubles, theat he would use to put in harms way when he thought his life was in danger.
The video that aired last night was not live(splice was visible), it was most likely saddam, as normally he does not wear glasses, and the speach he was given was had-written. aparently most of his speaches are typed...this is just what i have heard on foxnews
Wouldn't that make you think it wasN'T him?Quote:
Originally posted by Chris_MacMahon
The video that aired last night was not live(splice was visible), it was most likely saddam, as normally he does not wear glasses, and the speach he was given was had-written. aparently most of his speaches are typed...this is just what i have heard on foxnews
it was'nt him..
a side note
the republic "elite" fighters of iraq's higher ups are wanting to surrender already..
personally i belive he's 200+ feet below ground, surrounded by women and children to show how evil the west is.
:edit:
Foxnews has a video camera on a carrier in the gulf area (won't say where) but you can see f/a-18's take off, it's cool to watch the afterburner glow in the background...
The reason that I heard for the strike last night, was that Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz made an adress to the public stating that he had not defected and was indeed still working hard with the Iraqi government. Reports say that US intelligence tracked Aziz back to an underground bunker where he was to meet with high ranking officials of the state, possibly including Sadaam, Udei, and whatever his other son's name is. The strike was then made as an attack of opportunity in attempt to take out one, if not many of the high ranking officials of Iraq.
Of course I heard that on Limbaugh so take it for what its worth. :)
rush is never wrong.......
that's what fox news was saying as well..
Could you please place a :D by the Rush statement!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally posted by Chris_MacMahon
rush is never wrong.......
that's what fox news was saying as well..
no i cannot do that....it's the truth
:grin:
I was watching the developments (or absence of such) from 9:30 'til 12:30 last night.
It's such a strange feeling to know that a war is going on abroad and you can actually watch it "live" from Baghdad and the coalition's ships.
The most embarassing moment for me was when a newsclip of Chirac was shown where he stated once again that France was against the conducting of this war and saw it as violating international laws. This guy needs to get a reality pill - fast.
As if Hussein and Bin Laden's cronies would seek the approval of the UN before attacking anyone, anywhere, at anytime and using any type of weaponry...
so if saddam is not dead then he's pissed off great....
One U.S. official said: "If Saddam did not die last night, it's got to leave him wondering about the loyalty of some of those around him that we hit the target we did."
taken from here
What I don't get, if he is dead, the Iraqi’s should be doing the "Wicked witch is dead" song and dance on his dead remains, and inviting the US military to come in and have dinner. Why perpetuate a war over this dead dictator?
This leads me to believe that he is still alive, and in some control. If it was a double in the press release, it was by his own hand and directive that the farce be played out...
I was wondering whether you are aware of the facts about that war. Do you believe this war is about Saddam and his government or about the arabian oil? Do you agree with your president's will or are you against it?
Have you seen tonight's bombing on TV? Have you heard the reporters screaming in the hotel near Saddam's second palace while being hit? Have you ever felt bad about a war in another country? Has anyone of you ever thought of the concequencies of each war?
You say you believe in God. Who has greater power than Him? Who should decide who lives and who dies?
Have you seen the reactions of pther countries' people?
And finally do you agree with this war? Do you agree with every war??
Who's next???
I'm outta here!!
Bye Bye :sad:Quote:
Originally posted by AlienDyne
I was wondering whether you are aware of the facts about that war. Do you believe this war is about Saddam and his government or about the arabian oil? Do you agree with your president's will or are you against it?
Have you seen tonight's bombing on TV? Have you heard the reporters screaming in the hotel near Saddam's second palace while being hit? Have you ever felt bad about a war in another country? Has anyone of you ever thought of the concequencies of each war?
You say you believe in God. Who has greater power than Him? Who should decide who lives and who dies?
Have you seen the reactions of pther countries' people?
And finally do you agree with this war? Do you agree with every war??
Who's next???
I'm outta here!!
I really do know that when a bomb blows up it's not decideing on who is to be killed, mamed or not..and that innocent people will die. I personally don't belive it's about oil, there is oil in iraq, but honestly not that much (if there was then our sanctions would of been lifted so we could get more oil). Do i think that killing ossama/saddam going to solve all the ills of the world. no.
as for god i do belive in the idea of a higher power, but i also belive that if you are to die then no matter what you will die.
no then mr saddam, he's not a nice boy...mamed, killed, bullied all of his people. If you listen to what reporters are saying that when their minders (gov't censors, iraqi) are out of ear shot they aleays hear that they hate saddam, and are absolutly petrified of him.
And remember what your drill sergeant taught you
"God has a hard on for marines because he keeps heaven full of fresh souls"
wow AD is back. where have you been?
i heard on the news the other day that Iraqs oil reserves are worth an estimated 70 trillion dollars. i think thats a lot of oil
Isn't it funny how someone can ask if I know the facts about the war, and then make a totally assinine (sp?) statement that is totally untrue? :confused:
In the Marines we call them Drill Instructors. Drill Sergeants come from the Army...Quote:
Originally posted by Cleetus
And remember what your drill sergeant taught you
"God has a hard on for marines because he keeps heaven full of fresh souls"
You say freedom fry, I say french fly
blahblahblah
:D :D :D
As for the "No blood for oil" peacenik thing, even my 14 year old knows that most of our oil comes from Venezuala. Taught to them in school. Side note. As a vet of "Just Cause" I say BLAST 'EM!!!!!!!
OK, some of you took what I said personally and you missed my point. Others were just kidding.
I know who Saddam is and what he has done all these years. But do you think a man can condemn a whole country because of its leader? Can a man decide the future of all those people? Has God given the right to this man to destroy one country? No God would approve such brutality!!
There are people dying there. Most of them are civilians. Most of them are women and children. You say "blast' em". Are you sure about it?
You lost thousands of souls a year ago and the whole World hurt the same as you. Thousands of people were wasted and the whole World cried with you. You remember that day and the whole World remembers it with you.
But these days a crime is being commited and the whole World will keep screaming it!
Hey AlienDyne. Go here.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,81784,00.html
I prayed that we would receive that kind of welcome. I hope we get that all of the way into Baghdad.Quote:
Originally posted by meatwad
Hey AlienDyne. Go here.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,81784,00.html
Some people claim that this war isn't about liberating Iraq. In some ways it is not. But you tell that to those Marines right now, and they will tell you that you are full of sh!t. They know now what they are fighting for, and it is for the people of Iraq, the free people!
You say you believe in God. Who has greater power than Him? Who should decide who lives and who dies?
Certainly not Saddam Hussein. He kills 20,000 of his own people every year.
were threaten by Saddam and we tryed non war approach but it failed so the enxt step was what we are ding now, trying to help and take out saddam and other terrorists/threats. Inicents lives somtimes are taken its war, thats what happends its a shame, as in god Im a believer in him, but doesnt the bible also talk about war and other worst stuff? oh well that was my rant....
I agree with this war and most others. As far as who's next, maybe North Korea, Maybe France. I'm sure we could make it look like France is harboring terrorists.
The whole oil thing is a pathetic attempt to deface America even though I will agree it fits the profile of why we would go to war, to be able to drive even bigger SUV's that will never see a dirt road in their existance and they'll have gas powered everything, no more car battery, even the stereo will have it's own 4 cyclinder motor to spin the CD, gas powered cup holders, the American dream.
No one seems to care that Saddam is killing Iraqi's but people are pissed that we may wing a couple of them if they stand too close to the government there, not Saddam, the whole government or as we now say, the regime. Because if we said government than people might say, we have a government, is it evil too?
http://komo1000news.com/audio/kvi_aircheck_031003.mp3
That file sums up why I think the Coalition is doing the right thing.
Tony
Even as San Francisco leftists throw temper tantrums, vicious Germans desecrate U.S. flags and fussbudget Frenchmen fret, citizens in southern Iraq are thrilled today to be liberated by U.S. Marines.
As American forces took the border town of Safwan, residents waved. "A woman threw herself at the Marines' feet until a man hurriedly came and led her away," Fox News reported today.
"Americans very good," Ali Khemy said. "Iraq wants to be free."
Another resident told reporters why he welcomed the arrival of U.S. troops. "We're very happy. Saddam Hussein is no good. Saddam Hussein a butcher."
Some townspeople chanted, "Ameriki! Ameriki!"
"Many others in the starving town just patted their stomachs and raised their hands, begging for food," the Associated Press reported.
Frenchie Admits, 'We Look Really Stupid'
Let's recall this quotation from Dominique Dord, a deputy from French President Jacques Chirac's own party: "We would look really stupid if Iraqis applaud the arrival of Americans." Well said.
Perhaps if the blame-America-first extremists, foreign and domestic, got to experience life under a genocidal dictator for a few years they would finally stop hating the U.S.
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Who set Saddam Hussein up?
The USA.
Who set Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban up?
The USA.
Welcome to your war.
Flames gratefully received.
War is good for business. If you want a war for economic reasons, at least admit it.
Here's a little something for everyone to think about.
I keep hearing that as soon as we change our lives and start living our lives differently is when the terrorists win.
I got a job a few months ago as a service technician, most of our accounts are large corporations. Almost every single place of business I go to on a daily basis has an entire security staff, noone can even get into the buildings through the front doors without signing in and showing your driver's license. About half of these businesses have their elevators outfitted with devices that disable the elevators unless you have a magnetic swipe card with clearance to operate the elevator.
One larger business with 9 different locations actually does background checks on ALL contractors and takes your fingerprints. Now remember, I don't work for that company, I just repair equipment in their building, but I have to sign a paper giving them the rights to do a full background check on me and a credit check. So anyhow, I got busted with a marijuana cigarrette 7 years ago when I was 22 and just about to graduate college, it was reduced to disorderly conduct, which is a misdemeanor offense. Now this company says I can never set foot inside any of their nine buildings to perform work for my company, even tho that's the only thing on my PERSONAL record. I'd be ok with them checking with every former employer of mine to ask about my past WORK performance, that would be spotless and filled with praise. Except our current laws would prohibit the past employers from saying anything other than whether I worked there or not, and when my start and termination dates were.
I guess my point is that I think the terrorists have already won. We are so focused on the war and catching Osama Bin Laden that we aren't even paying attention to all the personal freedoms corporate america is taking away from us. Luckily I had already been with my company for 3 weeks and displayed my work ethic sufficiently enough that they kept me even tho I can never take a service call for our largest account. Freedom is almost gone...
Anyone ever read 1984?
Peace sells, but who's buying!?!Quote:
Originally posted by Outcoded
War is good for business. If you want a war for economic reasons, at least admit it.
Who sells him his rocket fuel?Quote:
Originally posted by emr
Who set Saddam Hussein up?
The USA.
Who set Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban up?
The USA.
Welcome to your war.
Flames gratefully received.
The French.
Who sells him his rifles and machine guns?
The Germans.
Who sold him his jets and missles?
The Russians.
We're all responsible for this @$$hole. We should all work together and correct this.
G-Damn! Hell of a good point!Quote:
Originally posted by meatwad
Who sells him his rocket fuel?
The French.
Who sells him his rifles and machine guns?
The Germans.
Who sold him his jets and missles?
The Russians.
We're all responsible for this @$$hole. We should all work together and correct this.
You are correct Meatwad, we should all work together. He IS a danger to the world.Quote:
Originally posted by meatwad
Who sells him his rocket fuel?
The French.
Who sells him his rifles and machine guns?
The Germans.
Who sold him his jets and missles?
The Russians.
We're all responsible for this @$$hole. We should all work together and correct this.
So if we are all working together why has the US and the UK gone it alone when almost every other nation doesn't agree with military action at this time?
Because you guys know best and we should just follow you blindly? How many times has the US supported dictators / human rights violators / puppet regimes? And we should support you in this?
Sorry, but you are way out of line, you're bombing the **** out of Bagdad at the moment, what justification have you for that? There is very limited Iraqi military response. You're killing civilians to free them?
It is, so admit that the US has and will carry on doing this with other madmen. Maybe then you will get more respect.Quote:
Originally posted by Ya_know
G-Damn! Hell of a good point!
Every country does this **** but at least other countries don't try to stand there afterwards blindly ignoring the fact that the troops and assets are deployed to bring down the madmen that they and their allies helped put there in the first place.
We all know that France are about as dodgy as it comes on doing this kind of ****, but guess what? That's why a lot of the nation don't believe in the war. They know what **** their government has been pulling and now they are mad about it. Same thing in the UK.
What do you guys do? Change the name of French Fries to Freedom Fries. What level of intellect does that portray to the rest of the world? :confused:
I think that is a hell of a good point, don't you?
Originally posted by emr
You are correct Meatwad, we should all work together. He IS a danger to the world.
So if we are all working together why has the US and the UK gone it alone when almost every other nation doesn't agree with military action at this time?
That's interesting. Last time I checked we had 45 nations behind us. Hmm? That's more than we had in the first gulf war! (Slaps hands to cheeks in wonderous surprise) Wow!
Because you guys know best and we should just follow you blindly?
Apparantly. The nations of opposition would NEVER allow military action. They have let this go for over 12 years. They do not stand up for themselves and backup their words with action.
How many times has the US supported dictators / human rights violators / puppet regimes? And we should support you in this?
No more than any other nation. Don't make us out to be the great evil in the world. We do more good for the rest of the planet than anyone, so don't bite my hand.
Sorry, but you are way out of line, you're bombing the **** out of Bagdad at the moment, what justification have you for that? There is very limited Iraqi military response. You're killing civilians to free them?
Do you have any idea the kind of weapons we're using in there? We can completely destroy a subterranean bunker without structurally damaging the building over it. I could be wrong and I've heard no reports, but I'll be interested to see the casualty reports from this war compared to the last. The Iraqi response is, "Please, we're hungry. We cannot afford food because our leader spends the money building giant palaces to himself. Please give us food and the chance to make a living for ourselves."
Actually, I heard that there are 40 countries in the coalition in some respect; bottom line is all 40 agree that military action is necessary. Seems to me that France, Germany, and Russia are putting up a struggle because there is something ulterior motive…I don’t think they backed down because they are against war...Quote:
Originally posted by emr
So if we are all working together why has the US and the UK gone it alone when almost every other nation doesn't agree with military action at this time?
You want my honest opinion, France is afraid of what we will find when we get inside this régime and break down their intelligence. We may find that France was in a lot deeper than they were willing to admit to. Selling of arms to Iraq after the end of the Gulf war should be a crime. Yes, we assisted them many years ago when in their plights against Iran, but now the régime is against was we originally set out to accomplish. So it is time to shut them down, and try something else…less evil if you will.
We should prosecute all of the bastards involved in arms sales after the gulf war. If France was a culprit, maybe we should bomb their war machines and factories, let them start from scratch, but we wont fund your rebuilding effort like we will Iraq’s!