Anyone here do this kind of stuff??
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Anyone here do this kind of stuff??
http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/f...ing/index.html
It's theft of service. If an access point is open for connecting there is usally a big sign near by saying they offer it. Anything else is illegal. Just my 0.02. Check out www.wardriving.com for all kinds of information. www.netstumbler.org is also a good source of information.
24/7 24/7...Gotta Love karmador, and its wirless adapter and software w00t doggy
Not yet, but I will be using utilities (including War Linux) to test my own setup once it's up and running here.
Long time no see, Chef.
What's cookin'? https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif
Check out knoppix STDQuote:
Originally Posted by a d e p t
It's got all the goodies pre loaded
Did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gollo
Downloaded. https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif
You think it's a better tool for intrusion detection than WarLinux?
Call me old fashioned, but I still prefer to use good ol cat 5 myself. I might go wireless at some point, but at this time I have no need to do so.
If you don't need to then do what your doing. It's just safer that way (and faster). I just LOVE the fact that I can sit out in the living room or anywhere in the house (or yard) and work on whatever. That and school let's us connect via wireless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jediab
I think it has everything warlinux has and then some. It has nmap, kismet, ethereal and a butt load of other apps. It even has that linux app to change the admin password on windows boxes (it's gotten me out of a bind or two). This cd is loaded with goodies.Quote:
Originally Posted by a d e p t
ME??Quote:
Originally Posted by a d e p t
I still pass by, just don't have alot of time to login and post on the forums.
Let's see. Friends with a lady, working part time as a sales clerk/shipper/receiver and taking full time classes to become a parts person.
I did take a part time Electronics Technician course last year, but I decided not to continue it.
I decided to get out of the computer trade or at least take a break from it. It became too stressful working on computers and dealing with the non-technical users. It wasn't fun for me anymore. And the computer industry was on the decline until recently. You never know, I might come back to it after I get some experience in the parts trade.
I still like to keep up on the latest hardware products and fiddle around with computers. I will still do the odd computer repair on the side for a friend or family member and custom build my own computers. I also had to repair some of the computers at my workplace after the big -50 degree Celsius weather we had in Late Jan/Early Feb. caused a major power failure. I try not to do any computer work for them, it isn't my job to look after their network and computers.
What's new with Adepster and the others here?
Thanks for the links Gollo. Those are handy. I stay with Cat5 for now too. Wireless sure offers great convenience and freedom, but still very risky and insecure. Owners of these Wireless gateway/routers just need to educate themselves more or the networking companies themselves need to update the wireless standard to add in new security features and faster speed connection.
Network Wireless technology is still in its infancy stage.
Just cause you leave your house unlocked and/or the door wide open doesn't give people the right to just go "look around" or even take something does it?Quote:
Originally Posted by gazzak
Are you for real!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by gazzak
YES you can complain. There is no law stating that you HAVE to lock your home or your car. Yes it is a preventive method but it is not required
The script kiddie Scorpulia (SP) would disagree... :thumbs:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gollo
Aaaw damn. I guess I'll take over!Quote:
Originally Posted by gazzak
Why then, Gollo, is the first thing that the police and insurance company look at is the method of entry? If the entry wasn't secured, or improperly used, the scrutinous eye shrinks down to investigate further into the potential for false accusation and fraud, because entry was almost an invitation…now if they had to break in, even if it was just a pane of glass…whole different story.
It ain’t a perfect world!
On that same note it does matter at the time the Thief is sentenced. When and if he gets caught. If he has to defeat a locking device then it is breaking and entering and Grand theft (Felonies). If he can just walk in unrestricted then it is Unlawful entry (misdemeanor) and depending on the amount stolen then it may only be another misdemeanor for this he will just get a slap on the hand unless he had done it before and how many times he's done it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gollo
I didn't want to argue because he's esssentially right, and I can't really argue against that. It's a lose lose situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ya_know
Since when did insurance companies live in the real world anyway? Where I live now you must have a 5 barrelled mortice lock just to qualify for insurance! The last time I was "burgled" they kicked the garage doors in, stole my lawn mower and didn't go near any lock :sad:
good idea GazzakQuote:
Originally Posted by gazzak
Give me your address and telephone # and credit card #
I'll make sure ALOT of my friends get it. By the way. I hope you like sushi
You're assuming I have credit. I don't. Yes I do like sushi, as long as you're paying.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShadowDragon
:D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by gazzak
As for the other arguments: yes the theif may not get as serious a sentance then if he had to break a lock or anything else but the fact of the matter is that illegal is illegal wether it's just a little bit or a whole bunch. That was my point.
And a very good point it was, I might add... :p
Forgive me for being ignorant but When I took my Check Point classes the law read that if some one gains access to your network with out having to compromise or other wise defeat a locking device such as a physical lock or a password protected entry point or any form of encryption than that is not a crime. Maybe that law has changed since then. So if someone finds your network in a wide open state and jumps on it that is not a crime and if that same person "Warchalks" that entry point that is only a misdemeanor under the graffiti law. Is this right, NO but if you dont have your network secured than thats your fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gollo
I suggest you read up on the digital milenium act. What you just said is that I could go into an open office building (no locks on the doors during office hours) and plug into a network jack and use the connection just because there was nobody to stop me and no physical security (password or padlock)?Quote:
Originally Posted by mongo69
And yes it is a crime. It's called theft of service. You are stealing bandwith from that person.
If a neighbours wireless network intrudes into the boundaries of my home, is that tresspass?
lol good question! I'm gonna go with no though. (same thing could go for his cordless phone or what have you). That and the bandwith (2.4xxxghz) that is used is public domain meaning anybody can use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by gazzak
What if my neighbor has their windows open and is watching porn? Is it theft if I watch that way?
Im getting dizzy can I get off now??? :devil:
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Originally Posted by Cleetus
I really didn't need to know that... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Diver01
:D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by CW_WD_RIOT
Pay-per-view?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
Once again forgive me for being ignorant or maybe I should forgive you. The Digital Millennium Act of 1998 deals with piracy. It :Quote:
Originally Posted by Gollo
· Makes it a crime to circumvent anti-piracy measures built into most commercial software.
· Outlaws the manufacture, sale, or distribution of code-cracking devices used to illegally copy software.
· Does permit the cracking of copyright protection devices, however, to conduct encryption research, assess product interoperability, and test computer security systems.
· Provides exemptions from anti-circumvention provisions for nonprofit libraries, archives, and educational institutions under certain circumstances.
· In general, limits Internet service providers from copyright infringement liability for simply transmitting information over the Internet.
go into an open office building (no locks on the doors during office hours) and plug into a network jack and use the connection just because there was nobody to stop me and no physical security (password or padlock)?
· Service providers, however, are expected to remove material from users' web sites that appears to constitute copyright infringement.
· Limits liability of nonprofit institutions of higher education -- when they serve as online service providers and under certain circumstances -- for copyright infringement by faculty members or graduate students.
· Requires that "webcasters" pay licensing fees to record companies.
· Requires that the Register of Copyrights, after consultation with relevant parties, submit to Congress recommendations regarding how to promote distance education through digital technologies while "maintaining an appropriate balance between the rights of copyright owners and the needs of users."
· States explicitly that "[n]othing in this section shall affect rights, remedies, limitations, or defenses to copyright infringement, including fair use..."
Am I right on this one or am I just reading this all wrong? so maybe it is you that needs to read up on your Acts. Also yes it is a crime for what you said if you were to "go into an open office building (no locks on the doors during office hours) and plug into a network jack and use the connection just because there was nobody to stop me and no physical security (password or padlock)" Why you might ask? Well I am glad you asked just by the mer fact you have no official business there or on that network that in itself is a crime you are still unlawfully entering the building just because of your "intent". In this case the use of the word "intent" is Your intent is to plug into a network jack and use the connection with no official business of that connection but to steal. One last note Millennium is spelt this way not your way (milenium) and so is bandwidth not yours (bandwith).
So what is the difference between connecting to a business network that you officially have no business on and connecting to a home network that you have no official business on? Seems hypocritical to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by mongo69
You are correct on both accounts. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by mongo69
If you don't protect your wireless network it's negligence on your part. Just like firewalls and Anti-Virus if you don't use them and something happens.... Sorry to bad for you.
End of story
This may be true but it doesn't make it right. That is the whole point I'm trying to get across.Quote:
Originally Posted by Escape_Driver
if you want to see some videos about war driving and such check out www.thebroken.org pretty cool video clips. as for people with wide open wireless connections i feel they are fair game, depending on what they are being used for general surfing and email and such, i dont really see any harm in that, but d/l porn warez and that kind of stuff isnt really cool. although a freind of mine who went up to toronto for school and ordered a dsl connection to his appartment lived off a neigbouring business wide open wireless network for 3 weeks until his dsl was hooked up.
on another note a local computer shop in my home town has wardriven the entire city and put a map in his shop of all the wireless hotspots all over town, most of them being government.
Oh no you did NOT just go there. The broken have got to be some of the dumbest idiots I've ever heard. The first video taught you how to steal. The second was just as dumb. The third was some what informative but still stupid. Go look at their forum members. The oldes I found was 19 but he'd been there for 3 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIGGS
As for conencting to another ap even to "just for surfing and email" is still stealing. Everybody jumped all over scorpylus (sorry for butchered sp :D) for getting into somebodys computer. What the difference?
And please do not mix wardriving and stealing bandwith. They are two completly different things.
I was old school for a long time with my router but I after buying a new notebook and using it more and more I was tired of just sitting in my office with a Cat5 cable going across the floor... always being kicked around by my dogs...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gollo
Going wireless allowed me to take the notebook out into the living room with the fireplace... the kitchen and even next door when helping a neighbor sign up for DSL service.
I was rightfully worried about security but I have my router locked down and I monitor what is going on regularly. Matter of fact somebody in my neighborhood now how a wireless router, I see its signal once in a while.
When we go to Pismo Beach (CA) we often drive up to San Louis Obispo where there is a drive-in (Sunset Drive-In) that uses FM radio for sound. The signal was good enough to hear the movie being played in the surrounding neighborhood.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
SOOOOOOO, is it stealing when the locals watch the movie on their roof using a portable radio??? :)
I'm sorry. All I could picture after reading this was Bugs Bunny popping out of a hole with a laptop. Did you have all the clams you could eat?Quote:
Originally Posted by NetScum
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Originally Posted by Gollo
i said to go there because they have some videos about wardriving, i didnt say they teach it. and what the heck does age have to do with anything? and as far as stealing goes that is a huge grey area, there arnt any laws yet defining using a wide open wireless connection and the only conviction was from that guy downloading kiddie porn but he was busted because of the kiddie porn. and i know wardriving is when you go looking for wap's .
These devices should be networked to each other to make a combined local area network(or something like it) that would make an interesting experiment. Kind of like a wireless internet but on a small scale.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIGGS
That would scare the **** out of the telcos. What happens if every one starts connecting wirelessly to each other and stops paying for the internet. They would have NO control anymore.
Hell that concept would scare more than the telcos