Does FoxNews love Fahrenheit 911?

I don't know who Roger Freidman the Fox news reviewer is but he seems to love Fahrenheit 911.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,122680,00.html

"It turns out to be a really brilliant piece of work, and a film that members of all political parties should see without fail."

"As much as some might try to marginalize this film as a screed against President George Bush, "F9/11" — as we saw last night — is a tribute to patriotism, to the American sense of duty — and at the same time a indictment of stupidity and avarice."

"Readers of this column may recall that I had a lot of problems with Moore's "Bowling for Columbine...
Not so with "F9/11," which instead relies on lots of film footage and actual interviews to make its case against the war in Iraq and tell the story of the intertwining histories of the Bush and bin Laden families"

"The most indelible is Bush's reaction to hearing on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, that the first plane had crashed into the World Trade Center.
Bush was reading to a grade-school class in Florida at that moment. Instead of jumping up and leaving, he instead sat in front of the class, with an unfortunate look of confusion, for nearly 11 minutes.
Moore obtained the footage from a teacher at the school who videotaped the morning program. There Bush sits, with no access to his advisers, while New York is being viciously attacked. I guarantee you that no one who sees this film forgets this episode."

Looks like FoxNews loves F911, or at least their movie reviewer does.

I hope that every one trys and keeps an open mind when going to see this movie... For BOTH sides... Bush lovers and haters and Moore Lovers and haters

The French loved it. Nuff said.

Is that 4 sides ??? Well know what I'm saying !!

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Originally Posted by Escape_Driver

I hope that every one trys and keeps an open mind when going to see this movie... For BOTH sides... Bush lovers and haters and Moore Lovers and haters

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Yeaaaahhhhh Riiiggghhtt... That'll happen.
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Ya I guess not

I'm really glad that the movie will prove once and for all that Bush was so STUPID or INCOMPETENT that when told the U.S. was under attack he froze for 11 minutes.
Certainly not the person to trust with our country and our lives.

The main gripe I keep reading in these reviews is how Bush didn't immediately jump into action the second he was informed a plane had crashed into the World Trade Center. How many millions of people thought the first attack was just an incredible accident? Count me in, terrorist attack didn't even occur to me until I saw the video footage.

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Originally Posted by jaeger

The main gripe I keep reading in these reviews is how Bush didn't immediately jump into action the second he was informed a plane had crashed into the World Trade Center. How many millions of people thought the first attack was just an incredible accident? Count me in, terrorist attack didn't even occur to me until I saw the video footage.

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I haven't heard anyone gripe that Bush didn't react when the first plane crashed into the WTC. It was assumed to be an accident. He was told about the first plane before he went in to speak to the kids. While he was speaking to the kids he FROZE when informed the SECOND plane had hit the WTC and he was TOLD by his aid "America is under attack".

I could only imagine if there had been other planes headed for New York with nuclear or biological or chemicals aboard. And an F-16 had the plane in his sights but needed an order from the Commander in Chief to shoot it down. And the Commander in Chief decided it was more important to talk to school kids then defend his country.

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Originally Posted by techs

I haven't heard anyone gripe that Bush didn't react when the first plane crashed into the WTC. It was assumed to be an accident. H was told about it before he went in to speak to the kids. He FROZE when informed the SECOND plane had hit the WTC and he was TOLD by his aid "America is under attack".

I could only imagine if there had been other planes headed for New York with nuclear or biological or chemicals aboard. And an F-16 had the plane in his sights but needed an order from the Commander in Chief to shoot it down. And the Commander in Chief decided it was more important to talk to school kids then defend his country.

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I would freeze too. It was too hard to believe at the time and it still is.

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Originally Posted by Larommi

I would freeze too. It was too hard to believe at the time and it still is.

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If you were told by your aide, and I quote, America is under attack, you would have continued to talk to the kids? Come on.

Edit: and he had 20 minutes from the first plane to the second. when I heard about the second plane I immediately knew it was no accident and it was an attack.

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Originally Posted by techs

If you were told by your aide, and I quote, America is under attack, you would have continued to talk to the kids? Come on.

Edit: and he had 20 minutes from the first plane to the second. when I heard about the second plane I immediately knew it was no accident and it was an attack.

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What does the time between planes hitting have to do anything? You said yourself it took the second plane to hit before you knew for sure it was no accident.

Quit digging for reasons to support your crusade.

It's a good thing Bush wasn't President during the Cold War. In those 11 minutes he might have doomed the U.S.
I will leave it up to the average American to decide how long after Bush was told "A second plane hit the WTC, America is under attack" he should have realized, Hey, I'm the President, I am the Commander in Chief. I should do my job and protect my country. Eleven minutes of talking to kids, I think NOT.

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Originally Posted by techs

It's a good thing Bush wasn't President during the Cold War. In those 11 minutes he might have doomed the U.S.
I will leave it up to the average American to decide how long after Bush was told "A second plane hit the WTC, America is under attack" he should have realized, Hey, I'm the President, I am the Commander in Chief. I should do my job and protect my country. Eleven minutes of talking to kids, I think NOT.

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How did you come about this time anyhow? What was he going to do, run off and leave the kids or tell them we were being attacked, scare the **** out of them then run off? I really dont think 11 minutes is a big deal. How do you know he did not get the ball rolling by giving his aid orders to start being carried out? I just suppose AirForce One was RIGHT behind him with the engines running? Or was it his limo right behind him with the engine running? Oh I get it. He should have called a taxi.

See if I was president and I was in that situation, I would not go running out into traffic leaving kids behind. I would be worried about my own life, and getting to a safe place to lead my country. Not running around like an idiot with a bullseye on my back.

So yet again, you stretch to justify your crusade cause you get shot down in every thread you start.

And why do I not see a comment in the Poll that was started, the poll that has Bush in the lead? Chicken?

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I really dont think 11 minutes is a big deal. How do you know he did not get the ball rolling by giving his aid orders to start being carried out?

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I guess you never saw the video which I posted here a while back.
You are just making silly excuses. Eleven minutes no big deal? Right. Good thing you weren't targeted and needed your President to make a decision to save your life.
Why is Bush ahead in our poll? Guess he does better among this demographic. Since he is losing nationwide. And more an more of the truth is coming out about Bush. The news media gave him a free ride for the first 9 months after 9-11 in an attempt to be "patriotic". Now that the election is coming the details of his failures are coming out.
Just look at his cabinet failure, John Ashcroft:
Who has he successfully prosecuted?
Almost no one. It looks like Padilla the "dirty bomber" can't be prosecuted due to prosecutorial misconduct.
Wheres the Anthrax guy? Laughing at Ashcroft and Bush.
Where are the terrorists the Patriot Act was supposed to catch? Not caught, not prosecuted, did they really even exist?
Or were we panicked by Bush into giving up our civil rights?
Ashcrofts only success is that he managed to subpoena confidential medical records of women who had abortions.
The worst Attorney General EVER.

Deficits don't matter?
B**llsh*t!
Bankrupt the country for the benefit of the rich.

Link me to the video

Better yet, dont

I dont feel like debating you here, but feel free to send me an instant message anytime.

I dont buy into the conspiracy government is out to get us theory. You say you want your president to protect you and you are bent about 11 minutes. He has the Patriot Act, which I dont think you read the whole thing, but picked out the wiretap part. So you dont like that. I suppose a good president would be someone like Clinton that never did a damn thing, even when we were getting attacked everywhere by radical muslims. Well untill he got busted with Lewinsky. You have picked out things that Bush has done wrong that you dont like but I have never seen your opinion of what you would have done. I have never seen a link to what anyone would have done. Find me a link of what Al Gore would have done. Oh wait. He supported the war with Iraq, and the war against Osama.

Give all this some thought and send me a message.

I added my messenger programs so you can find me easier.

I like anything the critisizes the Bush Admininstration.... Bush 1 or Bush 2...:D

PS> Have you noticed that Fox (aka: the Rupert Murdoch Channel) isn't using the Fair & Balanced logo anymore...:D

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Originally Posted by Larommi

Link me to the video

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Here's the video in quicktime

http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/bush-911.mov

This video shows a greater than 5 minute interval. the one Moore has shows an 11 minute pause which coincides with eyewitness accounts.
and just fyi from the article:

At 9:03 AM on 11 September 2001, the second airplane hit the South Tower of the World Trade Center. President Bush was in Florida, at the Emma T. Booker Elementary School, listening to children read. Chief of Staff Andrew Card came over and whispered in Bush's ear, "A second plane hit the second tower. America is under attack."
What did the Commander in Chief do? Nothing. He sat there. He sat for well over 5 minutes, doing nothing while 3,000 people were dying and the attacks were still in progress.

Not only did the leader of the free world sit as his country was attacked, the Secret Service also did nothing. Bush was appearing in public at a previously announced photo-op. He was a sitting duck. The attacks were ongoing at that point (planes had yet to hit the Pentagon or the field in Pennsylvania), and nobody knew how much more destruction was going to happen. Were there two, three, four, eight more planes hijacked and on their way to crash into prominent buildings? Was one headed for the school, where anyone who checked the President's public itinerary would know he was located? Were other terrorists planning to detonate dirty nukes? Were they going to release anthrax or smallpox or sarin? Was an assassination squad going to burst into the school and get Bush? Was a suicide bomber going to ram a truck full of explosives into that classroom?

During the midst of the attacks, any of these things could've happened. Yet there sits Bush, seemingly unconcerned. His Chief of Staff likewise doesn't think that America in flames warrants the President's immediate attention. And the Secret Service utterly fails to do its job by grabbing the President of the United States and getting him to safety. It's truly inexplicable.

And it's something the administration isn't too eager to trumpet. They haven't released footage of the President's (non)actions during this historic moment of American history.

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Originally Posted by imaeditedbysowulo

The French loved it. Nuff said.

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Four of the nine jury members who awarded le Palme d'Or were American. Guess that means that the Americans love it almost as much of the French then?

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Originally Posted by emr

Four of the nine jury members who awarded le Palme d'Or were American. Guess that means that the Americans love it almost as much of the French then?

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Not neccessarily....high probability they're all from Hollywood, anyway.

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Originally Posted by paraflyer

Not neccessarily....high probability they're all from Hollywood, anyway.

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Yes I know, my post before was an ironic attempt at a sweeping statement, they seem to be the order of the day. https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif

emr

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Originally Posted by Larommi

He has the Patriot Act, which I dont think you read the whole thing, but picked out the wiretap part.

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Well, given that Congress didn't read it before passing it, either. That's problem number 1, right there.

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Originally Posted by techs

The attacks were ongoing at that point (planes had yet to hit the Pentagon or the field in Pennsylvania), and nobody knew how much more destruction was going to happen. Were there two, three, four, eight more planes hijacked and on their way to crash into prominent buildings? Was one headed for the school, where anyone who checked the President's public itinerary would know he was located? Were other terrorists planning to detonate dirty nukes? Were they going to release anthrax or smallpox or sarin? Was an assassination squad going to burst into the school and get Bush? Was a suicide bomber going to ram a truck full of explosives into that classroom?

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Well, let me ask this. With all of those possibilities, what would YOU have had him do? Mobilize the entire USAF with orders to intercept any one of 4000 aircraft over the continental US at the time? Declare martial law? Institute immediate door-to-door searches of every building in the US?

This is a fine example of reactive rather than proactive.

Pehaps if Klinton had done more than lob a few cruise missles at aspirin factories, we may have had bin Laden in custody years ago.

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Originally Posted by techs

I guess you never saw the video which I posted here a while back.
You are just making silly excuses. Eleven minutes no big deal? Right. Good thing you weren't targeted and needed your President to make a decision to save your life.

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Seems you forgot about my point raised over those 20 minutes...

A refresher (post 67, right after yours):
http://forums.windrivers.com/showthr...777#post464777

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

Seems you forgot about my point raised over those 20 minutes...

A refresher (post 67, right after yours):
http://forums.windrivers.com/showthr...777#post464777

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I EXPECTED the President to at least stop reading to the kids long enough to find out more about the situation when informed "America is under attack".
Seems to me a guy follows the President with the football so the president can order an attack within minutes if necessary. Seems that minutes are crucial in an attack.
It seems our President would just sit there while nukes might be falling.
No military commander would keep his job when informed his unit was under attack he took 11 minutes to read to kids. In fact, I believe that would be dereliction of duty and he would be court martialed.

While I think that Bush handled the 90 days after 9/11 Properly, (Don't get me started on the last year) he should have been thrown into a limo by the Secret Service. I really wouldn't blaim him for this I would blaim the secret service. They are not to be worried about how it would look who it would scare or if it would piss off the President they are to protect against threats. This was a threat why they didn't do anything is amazing.

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Originally Posted by Escape_Driver

While I think that Bush handled the 90 days after 9/11 Properly, (Don't get me started on the last year) he should have been thrown into a limo by the Secret Service. I really wouldn't blaim him for this I would blaim the secret service. They are not to be worried about how it would look who it would scare or if it would piss off the President they are to protect against threats. This was a threat why they didn't do anything is amazing.

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The Secret Service reaction is a who 'nother story.
Was anyone disciplined for that failure?

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Originally Posted by techs

Was anyone disciplined for that failure?

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If not they should have been !!!

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Originally Posted by techs

It's a good thing Bush wasn't President during the Cold War. In those 11 minutes he might have doomed the U.S.
I will leave it up to the average American to decide how long after Bush was told "A second plane hit the WTC, America is under attack" he should have realized, Hey, I'm the President, I am the Commander in Chief. I should do my job and protect my country. Eleven minutes of talking to kids, I think NOT.

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I'm going all the way back to the beginning of this thread so I can just call you a retard.

You obviously have ZERO memory of what happened that day because when I and everyone in my house saw the planes hit and the buildings collapse, we just sat there jaws agape. I went to work and our helpdesk that gets 300-600 calls a day got 35 calls. All of us sat thtere and tried to refresh CNN to get any news at all for a full 8 hour day.

NOBODY ever expected people to take over an aircraft and suicide themselves into a damned building.

We had our radar looking for enemies from outside of the country coming in to us and not trained on civilian aircraft. This only made sense as per the statement directly above where I stete, "NOBODY ever expected people to take over an aircraft and suicide themselves into a damned building."

Hell, no one knew it was a terrorists attack until later on that day and it was all speculation up until later. Even when we knew of the attacks and the plane in western PA was still up in the air what could we do? The military aircraft we have in the air already are not usually armed to the teeth and capable of shooting down a jet airliner that is filled with American civilians. You can't just arm and fuel and get aircraft into the air in a heartbeat (it's not like driving a car). If we targeted it from the ground, what if we hit the wrong plane? Etc., etc., you can second guess everything until you are blue in the face and try to lay blame but it's all bull****. You can plan and plan and make sure it doesn't happen again but it only means that those who wish to harm us will find new ways that are unprotected to attack.


You equating 9/11 and Bushes shock to some sort of lack of defense in case of a nuclear threat from offshore is assinine and damned obscene. you are using the deaths of thousands to twist and distort the truth to your political parties advantage and it's sickening.
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Originally Posted by Escape_Driver

While I think that Bush handled the 90 days after 9/11 Properly, (Don't get me started on the last year) he should have been thrown into a limo by the Secret Service. I really wouldn't blaim him for this I would blaim the secret service. They are not to be worried about how it would look who it would scare or if it would piss off the President they are to protect against threats. This was a threat why they didn't do anything is amazing.

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Why? What immediate threat was he in that they had to rush him elsewhere? I don't remember any terrorists shooting up the school room he was in. You are speculating about woulda, choulda, shoulda but you're forgetting that we were not under attack by a foriegn power. Our own jet airliners were crashing into the WTC. How is throwing him into a limo going to help with that?

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While I am sure that this post was probably chock for of information, facts and unbiased opinion, I like the way THIS one reads.

But the point of my post was that even a right wing Bush supporting network like Fox News is praising F911. I expect that idiots like Jaxson will find some kooky, fascist, aluminum foil wearing conspiracy website to quote.

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Bump?

I tell you what mate, you bump anything near me and I won't be responsible for what I do to you.

emr

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Originally Posted by techs

f*ck off

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Just give it a rest. You are making a tit of yourself.

emr