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So, do you think that the Dem's should go with Dean for their new leader, or should they look to someone much more moderate?
Honestly, I think they should take Dean, re-establish their base, then branch back out. They really need to just break everything down again. Taken a super moderate, say like someone such as Bill Clinton, will only further muddy their platforms.
Howard Dean...:grin:!!!
What will his acceptance speech be?
YYYEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :grin:
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Originally Posted by Cleetus
You go with Dean as your front runner and you should expect the Republicans to gain another senate seat and probably 2 more house seats.
Billary will be the man for 2008.
It ain't going to matter. By 2008 this country will be so tired of the Republicans that Al Sharpton could win.
By the time the next election comes up, Dubya will have already changed the consitution so that he can stay in power for all eternity.
Yall do know I am talking party leader and not president right?
There is a pretty good chance that the Republican party will have a falling out within itself that will lead to defections within the party. Checking the news today it looks as if the ultra conservative wing of the party is already trying to foist their way upon the president and congress.
Good, maybe there will be more than 2 political parties to choose from that the media will accept.
You mean like an ultra liberal party, a super conservative party and a wishy washy middle of the road party?
Well,.. they do have the wishy washy middle of the road party already. They call themselves, "libertarians".
A "wishy-washy middle of the road party" in a democracy is the one that represents most of the people, yet you say it like it is a bad thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
Libertarians are hardly middle of the road, Webhead. Political idealogies are judged on two basic axis: Liberal-Conservative and Authoritarian-Libertarian. You could have a Liberal Libertarian or a Conservative Libertarian, they would both believe in the supremacy of individual rights though disagree on the size of ideal government.
Yeah I know,.. I saw that grid thing that was posted before. I sit right next to Ghandi on that grid. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by jaeger
I heard they called themselves "Citizens for Kerry."Quote:
Originally Posted by WebHead
The libertarians changed their name to that? That's weird. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by paraflyer
Seriously though,.. I think most people, in general, see the democrats as weak spinedm whiney and complicated. Then they look at the republicans and see tough and rugged, simple folk with high values and standards and a strong religious foundation. Most Americans can relate to the latter because they see it as more down to earth.
Because of this,.. I don't know if it's going to take one individual or a group of individuals,.. but somehow, someway,.. the democrats have to build a new reputation for themselves that people can relate to. Perhaps they could all start wearing cowboy hats and riding horses in television commercials? Maybe driving Chevy Silverados on construction lots?
Btw,.. that reminds me. Where did GWB get that accent from? His dad doesn't have the accent. Personally I think its fake.
And on second thought,.. I bet if Howard Dean had a fake Texas accent,.. he could've crushed GWB in that last election. Dang! I wish I would've thought about this sooner. :sad:
No, Citizens for Kerry are losers, not libertarians. I can see how you would get confused with the alliteration and all.Quote:
Originally Posted by WebHead
Oh that's right. Alliteration. I remember this from high school. For example:Quote:
Originally Posted by jaeger
Citizens for Kerry = not an alliteration
Libertarian Losers = IS an alliteration
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Although I don't agree in essence with jae's political theory, his basic thought there is right on the money!Quote:
Originally Posted by jaeger
Damn wrbby, I thought you were giving this political posturing a break? Somehow, you always forget the "other guy/gal" in these debates?
See a pattern here? https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif
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Originally Posted by jitBob
Agree. Don't know if it'll happen in the next 4 years though, probably more. They were already trying to kill specters nomination to anything and I'm sure there's a few other republicans that are trying to be moderate that they have lined up too. The "jerry foulwells" will be the downfall of republican politics. That and thier continual need to spendt insane amounts of money we don't have.
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Originally Posted by WebHead
No, no he wouldn't have. He would have lost by even more. The republicans already had him zeroed in and right now are praying that he will take the lead.
You're right. Howard Dean is a douche. I hope someone with some class, charisma and confidence will rise from the ranks just as Bill Clinton did in the early 90's.Quote:
Originally Posted by ilovetheusers
Clinton had class? I'll give you charisma and confidence, but class is a bit of a reach. Class would have been "I had an affair, I'm sorry" not "Define sex."Quote:
Originally Posted by WebHead
Dang webbie, you're just getting stomped on all over the forum...see what happens when you display a defeatist attitude towards yourself, everyone takes advantage and kicks your @$$...Quote:
Originally Posted by jaeger
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Well if your main goal in life to follow me around trying to defeat me,.. then you have some issues to work out little man. :thumbs:
HaaHaaHaa, that's the same thing you said to your penis just the other day...:grin:Quote:
Originally Posted by WebHead
You actually think that sort of putdown is going to work on me too... :rolleyes:
You figure it out. Obviously, ever since I declared myself a "free thinker" you have been seriously bothered and have been trying to compare yourself to me and have been looking for any opportunity possible to disprove me. I am flattered by that, unfortunately, I think everyone has their own qualities. It's up to you to figure out what yours are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ya_know
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Originally Posted by WebHead
Translation of what you said: "I'm rubber, you're glue, whateva' you say bounces off me and sticks to you".
It's fun playing these school yard games with you, it really passes the time. :thumbs:
Nice well thought out generic reply there. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ya_know
I simply responded in kind and scope... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by WebHead
Wow,.. two in a row. I could be mistaken,.. but are you WOTPPing now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ya_know
Have been for quite some time...nothing gets past you, now does it... :eek2:Quote:
Originally Posted by WebHead
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ya_know
It would not surprise me if he started another war somewhere else just so he can make a "Roosevelt" argument for a third term. The Republicans have no early prospects for 2008 (Cheney, Rummy and McCain will all be in the home or in the ground by then). Meanwhile, the Dems are already starting to load the gun with names.Quote:
Originally Posted by WebHead
Yeah,.. I wouldn't put it past him. If this country is lucky a Bush dictatorship won't happen (but don't hold your breath).Quote:
Originally Posted by KINGofBLEH
And just think,.. Bush hasn't even started his second term yet. Oh it's gonna be a long four years. :sad:
Well, that's 4 years for us to start working on a real change by putting a Libertarian in the White House.Quote:
Originally Posted by WebHead
Besides, I am sure you lib's will make it plenty interesting......hehe.
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A libertarian in the white house :shudder: :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by KINGofBLEH
Ya_know a debate between Michael Badnarik and John Kerry would have been a thousand times more interesting. "W" could have been the guy holding the microphone during audience Q&A.Quote:
Originally Posted by WebHead
On a related note, when Jerry Springer retires or gets squashed by one of those fat heffers on his show, I want to start a petition to replace him with Bill Clinton. Think of how much fun that show will be. Trailer parks, sex scandals, rednecks, all real stories that actually involved the host!!!!!
I almost feel asleep watching that Badnarik and Cobb debate.
That's because the differences between them are not as sharp as their differences with the ruling Republicrats. If it had been a true Presidential debate (and not a scripted media show), the fireworks would have flown.Quote:
Originally Posted by WebHead