Christianity is cureable.
The average gay person is 1500% more tolerant of his her fellow human being than the average christian.
2 of the apostles were gay or at least bi.
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Christianity is cureable.
The average gay person is 1500% more tolerant of his her fellow human being than the average christian.
2 of the apostles were gay or at least bi.
All this going back and forth about a book written about events that happened centuries before it was compiled into text. All this about people that have sex different than you, thats all. And when we are done denoucing homosexuality who next? Anal Sex? Oral Sex?
If there is anything you should take from that book written so long ago after the events happened and has been retranslated many a time since then, it is the Golden Rule: do onto others as you would have them do onto you.
It's such a simple rule that covers so much. It tells you that you are no better than anyone else and no one else is better than you. It takes all of the persecution out of your hands and let's someone/something else deal with it while you just live your life respecting others.
Anyone that says they do not want gays or lesbians around them obviously never had a family member or friend "come out of the closet." You have no experience with homosexuality so why do you feel the need to comment on it from what have have heard or read from a book?
Have you ever been around a person with no experience trying to tell someone how to fix their computer? You probably laughed at their explanations....
And anyway this is such a small topic to discuss, what does your book say about life on other planets?
Tony
I'm not Christian. I would probably say I'm agnostic, but in reality don't consider myself religious. Here's how I see it.
If homosexuality IS genetic, than it is a flaw that should have been breeded out of the species long ago or will be at some point in the future.
Now what if it's a choice? If my son or daugher (keeping in mind that I don't have children) told me they were gay, I would still love them, but I would be very dissapointed in them, the same as if my child chose never to get married and have children and it would put a strain on our relationship.
And your children would be truly hurt and disappointed by you as a parent...Quote:
Originally posted by meatwad
Now what if it's a choice? If my son or daugher (keeping in mind that I don't have children) told me they were gay, I would still love them, but I would be very dissapointed in them, the same as if my child chose never to get married and have children and it would put a strain on our relationship.
On a purely side point, let's look at this logically.
IF being gay WAS a choice...
What heterosexual would willingly choose it?
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exactly. why would someone willingly put themselves through the harassment, ridicule, and intolerance that homosexuals go through. just because they are different doesn't make them any better or any worse than anyone else.Quote:
Originally posted by Wayward Clam
On a purely side point, let's look at this logically.
IF being gay WAS a choice...
What heterosexual would willingly choose it?
:confused: :confused: :confused:
As a parent I agree with Meatwad. I would be disappointed in the decision, and would be very clear to my children about it. I would also talk to them and learn to understand what feelings they have, but ultimately, smoking, drugs, getting in trouble, homosexuality, they will all disappoint me. When they are all grown up and can make decisions on their own, I will probably give in on the smoking but everything else I will stand firm. It certainly wouldn't change the love I feel for them, even if they did something heinous like murder in cold blood. I would always love them, but I wouldn’t support their decisions.Quote:
Originally posted by Wayward Clam
And your children would be truly hurt and disappointed by you as a parent...
My honest answer...because of the widely publicized cry for acceptance. Some people are looking for attention, and lets face it, there are a lot of people out there looking for something to believe in. Homosexuality is a social problem just as smoking could be considered a problem, but obviously apples and oranges so please no one take this tangent, please.Quote:
Originally posted by Buddy Holly
exactly. why would someone willingly put themselves through the harassment, ridicule, and intolerance that homosexuals go through. just because they are different doesn't make them any better or any worse than anyone else.
Back to the need for attention…people do all sorts of strange things, and to have sex with someone of the same gender is a cry for help, if it isn’t genetic. So far still noone has any proof that this behavior is genetic. Anyone…
I'm sorry dude but if you think homosexuality is worse than smoking then all that proves is a failure to think on your part.
Homosexuality is HARMLESS from a practical basis. It doesn't harm anybody. You could argue that it can cause STDs to spread, but heterosexual sex does too, and heterosexual sex is more risky, because you run the risk of pregnancy as well.
Smoking causes all manner of diseases and death, to say nothing of wasting a huge part of your income. Homosexuality, at worst, could cause a slight pain in the ***.
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And I can't believe that you would seriously think a man would sleep with another man for the purpose of getting attention.
That's just so far beyond realistic that I don't know what to say anymore.
I guess there isn't much point in continuing this discussion.
i don't know personally, but i would think it would cause more than a slight pain in the *** :D :DQuote:
Originally posted by Wayward Clam
Homosexuality, at worst, could cause a slight pain in the ***.
You obviously missed one of my posts about my ex girlfriend with 2 moms and my budy with 2 dads...Quote:
Originally posted by meatwad
I'm not Christian. I would probably say I'm agnostic, but in reality don't consider myself religious. Here's how I see it.
If homosexuality IS genetic, than it is a flaw that should have been breeded out of the species long ago or will be at some point in the future.
Now what if it's a choice? If my son or daugher (keeping in mind that I don't have children) told me they were gay, I would still love them, but I would be very dissapointed in them, the same as if my child chose never to get married and have children and it would put a strain on our relationship.
Meatwad and Ya_Know:
Either of you still have yet to state exactily what it is that is so offensive about homosexuality to you. I mean, you admit that you are not religious so what's the hang up? I can see it if the head of your religion tells you that your god tells you to, I mean, it's your god so whatchagonnado. But, if that's not it then what? Please explain in a non religious way what is wrong with 2 adults declaring love for one another. That's pretty much what the issue is isn't it? You are saying that if Greg meets Paul and they fall in love then it's somehow wrong? Why?
Seriously, what it it?
As a side note - I see a lot of faces here in this thread that I have not seen for a while. Where have you all been?
Homosexuality is perverted. This is a personal belief. I don’t think there is any reason to have to elaborate on that.
These other people here have the bible in their corner, and you guys are questioning their faith down to the core of theological interpretation. Why would I open my personal belief up to that?
I think "these other guys" are better than you are Ya_know. At least they have some excuse for their beliefs. What's yours?
I don't need an excuse. So back off.Quote:
Originally posted by Wayward Clam
I think "these other guys" are better than you are Ya_know. At least they have some excuse for their beliefs. What's yours?
The core difference is that they believe in a deity that has commanded something of them. I mean, what are you going to do if your god tells you that a behavior is wrong? Just because I don't believe or disagree doesn't mean I can belittle their faith. If you examine my posts you will see that I have not attacked anyones religion.Quote:
Originally posted by Ya_know
Homosexuality is perverted. This is a personal belief. I don’t think there is any reason to have to elaborate on that.
These other people here have the bible in their corner, and you guys are questioning their faith down to the core of theological interpretation. Why would I open my personal belief up to that?
In your case without the commandment of a deity I am interested to learn what it is inside you that motivates you to feel that the behaviors of two consenting adults is wrong. I just want to know what youre core argument against homosexuality is just for the sake of knowing. I can't promise that I will not argure with you further should I continue to disagree.
Besides, if you belive something so much why are you affraid to open up that opinion to attack? Sure you don't have anything to prove to a bunch of people on the internet but you chose to engage in the argument. Don't stop now.