Your opinion about hackers......

This is somewhat of a silly question - why not ask "Do you like Bank Robbers? How about drive by gang bangers?" - please note this is not intended to be a flame of any sort - simply a poorly worded question. i have an intense dislike for someone who gets their rocks off raping another human beings hard work for any reason that does not directly promote happiness, health, change and freedom of knowledge, or making the world a uniformilly better place for all of us to live. With that said - script kiddies, and your run of the milll hacker, phreaker, cracker, retail pirate, etc. who hacks to be "kooool" or for profit is as much a waste of perfectly good skin and bones as a murderer or drug dealer and should be dealt with in the same way, however a few case of hacking I find to be quite amusing and while still harmful did they did not profit from it in any way (finiancially) and istead in some cases have also provided a fix for the very hole that they discovered. NOTE: this is very rare as are those people with the high level of knowledge required to do the advanced hacking required to "beat the system" - this is beginning to ramble and loose it's focus so I will just stop. Sorry

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Frankly, my opinion of crackers depends upon the target. People who prey on individuals for personal gain are obviously a threat. However, we live in a world where corporations will do everything and anything they (il)legally can to eliminate our personal freedoms in the name of capitalism. It will become more and more important as time goes on for us as citizens to take a stand. Crackers and hackers may become our only defense against their greed. This may sound paranoid, but a healthy dose of paranoia is far better to have than a heaping helping of naivete`.

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i have to agree with captpackrat
as i am also an "old time" hardware hacker remember soldering the extra sid chips on the commodore 64/128 to get stereo output of "building" a interface to use a internal isa modem with a rs-232 port there's a big differance just my 2 cents worth god i feel old https://forums.windrivers.com/

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by evilcabbage:
Most of the people that pop into my mind at the moment, are script kiddies, and love to think of themselves as l33t haX0rz.</font>

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Um... pardon my ignorance, but what exactly does "l33t haX0rz" mean? I've seen it around, but maybe I'm just too darned old...... https://forums.windrivers.com/

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by parning:
Um... pardon my ignorance, but what exactly does "l33t haX0rz" mean? I've seen it around, but maybe I'm just too darned old......</font>

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Its the script kiddies trying to say they are eleet hackers. Somehow changing letters into numbers and capitalizing every other letter is supposed to show that they are smart. I never really figured it out. If you good/smart/"eleet" then people will know, no need to brag about it.


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I possess a mind not merely twisted, but actually sprained.

have you heard about that hacking contest some company has (forgot the name) but anyways they invite the best hackers to hack thier security system, and if they can they get money (forgot the amount also) I guess last year they couldn't get through, and i never heard about this years results, but anyways thats a good kind of hacking, where companys can find out how to make stuff securer, and most hackers would be happy to point out a flaw in a server, if they were not afraid of being arrested, but then there are those putz's of hackers who would just like to break stuff, and usually do a good job of it too!!

Just some kids who have nothing more interesting to do than using the Assembly language (especially the DOS Interrupts part) to crack some programs or invate websites!

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Hacker -(n)- Any person who derives joy from discovering ways to circumvent limitations.

'nuff said

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https://forums.windrivers.com/ Me, I blame the damn internet. When we were kids, we didnt have it, so we had to find more creative means of mischief.
Honestly, who here remembers tipping cows, burning bags of poop, crank calls, skipping school to go play pool. Kids these days have no *****ion, they have way too much faith in themselves,hacking...phreaking...smurfing... my ***.
Most of these l33t hackerz need a swift kick in the azz.

Noooo, ranting like my dear ole da.. in the old country... no cable... 10miles to school... uphill.... both ways!
Sorry just needed to vent a smite, not enough violent lan games lately I geuss.

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there is nothing wrong with a Hacker or tha knowledlge they have or can do it when they use this info to do damage to other things that tends to piss people off. i dont care what people have on there computers so i dont mess with trying to get in to other peoples computer but if i get a program that i think could better serve me by me hacking tha program or web site than i will do it i do not hurt anything be doing this i just make things work for me... tha kiddies out there are not even at the level or menaltiy of a hacker these are tha b!tchaz that give hackarZ a bad name. it is real easy to be a kiddie to mess people up so a lot of people get in GOD mode and think they are all mighty when all they realy know what to do is download and use a program alreay made for them. anyway thats my nickle

I was going to post a reply....But, by the time I got to the bottom of page 1, I agreed with most of the posts, especially Danrak.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by parning:
Um... pardon my ignorance, but what exactly does "l33t haX0rz" mean? I've seen it around, but maybe I'm just too darned old...... </font>

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See http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/Lamer-speak.html

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[This message has been edited by captpackrat (edited February 08, 2001).]

Calling "all hackers" anything specific is a lot like calling all blacks, all natives, all gays, all Jews, all women, all insurance salesmen, etc., something specific. There are thousands of people out there-maybe hundreds of thousands-that I would consider "hackers", and I'm quite sure that they are as diverse a bunch as any other group you could name. I myself used to be a hacker (all right, back in the days of BASIC, anyways) and I knew many others; we all had different motivations, skill levels, and modus operandi. The only thing we had in common was that we were all hackers.

Hacking is a skill like reading or Tae Kwon Do. The real question is what the skill is and should be used for.

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There's an exception to every rule, except this one.

I have been on both sides of the coin as both a hacker and a systems administrator. I believe my time as a hacker has made me a beter systems adiministrator and keep close ties to some of my old friends. The script kiddys of today are not really hackers and are nothing but a nuncance

https://forums.windrivers.com/ Hacker==Media https://forums.windrivers.com/
It's so ridiculous. Hacker used to mean something along the lines of guru, computer nerd, computer geek, etc. Now, thanks to movies and an overzealous news media, we have a new definition. And, instead of an achievement, it's more of a title... ...a very overused title. How many script kiddies would there be if they had never had the title "hacker" to shoot for? TV would have you believe these "hackers" are omnipotent computer criminals that nothing can stop, when in reality they don't know much more than where to download the latest exploit... I would like to meet one of these omnipotent persons if for no other reason that to see they truly exist. Until then, I just wish the news media hype would just go away. https://forums.windrivers.com/