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Originally posted by Shard92:
<STRONG>You guys are saying you don't like to be politically correct? I here ya.
Especially since I'm having trouble finding a Scotch/Irish/Swede/English/German-American club for me to join. <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0"></STRONG>
Shard, you can join my Mutt-American club.
Okay, I wanna be part of a Norse club because my great-great-aunt researched my lineage all the way back to Harald Bluetooth.
True fact! Plus, this means I'm gonna sue a whole bunch of people and get free wireless stuff for the rest of my life.
I have often found myself starting many heated discussions about this topic. And I have asked the same question as Fubarian. But I have to admit, this makes a lot of sense. It's given me something to think about.Quote:
Originally posted by ElBatcho:
<STRONG>The reason is because it is such a mixing pot. No one is really from America, the history is only 300 years old. Everyone wants a history and a reason why they came here. African Americans have no history before they were shiped over here because most of the tribes were wiped out due to slavery. Every one wants to be something, Irish americans, Italian Americans, Polish Americans, Native Americans. They all want a sense of history before they arrvied. I'm English, I was born in England. I don't consider myself and Anglo American. In fact I am still a british subject, but I am a patriot of this contry, I was in the US marine corp and serverd this nation for 8 years. Does that make me more of a citizen than most no, but I did what many won't. People just want to be able to trace their family tree and establish a line of history. In europe we have this line and can trace our family back for centuries, you can't do that over here so they lump them selfs into groups. It's part pride and part sense of belonging.</STRONG>
Thanks ElBatcho!
im ahh not sure .. seem by everyone im classed a lot of things .. lets see
loser, a$$hole, butthead, spaceman, mars man, windrivers addict, bad jokester (from dads blood on that one), irish and american .. yes im sure theres others to ..
No, I was actually born in cyberspace. Kinda like Erwin off of Userfriendly. Mainley I just roam around servers looking for pictures of naked motherboardsQuote:
Originally posted by Shift_2_Break:
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Does that mean you were born in the Bronx? j/k</STRONG>
I also agree with some of the other posters.
You are segregating yourself with the Hyphenated-American monicurs.
What better way to seperate yourself than declare a subset of a whole.
It's like the blue M&M's wanting their own bag because the green ones don't relate.
On a tangent, I also have a problem with Curves for Women (a fitness club). Hello?! Can we scream reverse-sexism?
And do you think for a second that we could have the All White - All Male Television Network? (not that I want one). But there is Lifetime (television for women), the BET, and other numerous programs/stations out there that are basically reversely discriminitory. And it's perfectly legal! How about the Caucasion College fund?
Argh! My head hurts.
Hey, I'm all for diversity. In fact, I love it. But purposefully segregating yourself is just wrong, if with the other breath you bitch about things not being equal. Hello?
I live for the day where I can not feel uncomfortable around an ethnic group just because I'm caucasion (I'm not always uncomfortable, just under certain circumstances). ****, I didn't participate in slave trading. I wasn't alive yet when women couldn't vote.
God, I hope I don't sound like an ***. Perhaps I'm not converying myself correctly.
Am I clear, or do I sound racist/sexist? This topic is just too sensitive. I'm afraid to stick my foot in my mouth.
I think it's because we know we're American because we were born here, or have gained citizenship here, but at the same time, we're proud of where we came from. I usually just refer to myself as American if I have to label myself something. But if I was forced to be more specific, then I'd be an "Irish-Czech-German-English-and whatever else I don't know about-American".
I guess some influence derives from political correctness also. It would be considerd *almost* racist to refer to someone by something other than a hyphenated title when describing heritage nowadays.
I understand the importance of historical heritage, but this political correctness is getting so bad that being a white male can now be seen as a social stygma!
I guess I could then label myself a French American-Canadian (born in the US to French Canadian parents) <IMG SRC="smilies/cool.gif" border="0">
I wasn't going to post this, but since Falcon is being right...let me say this
If I'm jewish, and start a jewish college fund...thats ok
if I hold a conference and its mexicans only...thats ok too... (this has been done, not with mexicans, but it did happen in my state, I raised hell, but wasn't listened to)
but if I'm white, and want to have a white's only fund...that is illegal as hell. Yet the others are not.... <IMG SRC="smilies/confused.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/confused.gif" border="0">
at some points im ashamed to call myself an american when i see the stupid sh** we argue and fight over.
I'm from Philadelphia , Pennsylvania USA whether I like it or not.
alright im done.
please excuse some of my posts today im in a very bad mood <IMG SRC="smilies/mad.gif" border="0">
I am a fraidof Americans... I'm afraid of the world..
Oh sorry David Bowie and good old Trent... what a couple.
Anyhow, the way I figure it is everyone wants a place in history. American is such a broad term and doesn't cut it for some people. If we really wanted to classify ourselves that way, most people would have to use about 18 words. We're not all from a singular background. I do not know why it is so important for some people to express what background they are from but.. hey, if it makes 'em feel better, go with the flow.
I'm cherokee-blackfoot-native-german-irish-american.
1/4 Irish, 1/4 American Indian, and 1/2German. Mix and shake well. Yields one (1) American. I agree wholeheartedly - these cultural and racial zealots are themselves propogating racism. Your ethnic origin really means nothing to me - I am more interested in charachter and principles. ( Of which I have none...) <IMG SRC="smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0">
It's all for political sake.
Saying that someone is African would mean they are African, born raised and still live there.
Saying that someone is American African would mean the are an American African. Meaning they were born in America or have a citizenship.
My mom studies genealogy as a hobby. She has traced our family tree all the way back to 1650's in England. Her maiden name has change about 4 times from its original. My fathers (RIP) side is German and that's all we know.
Well, all I know is that I would classify myself as a "Drunken American".
If you really think about this you could understand why that is so. It's not that it is illegal, but the history of such groups and activities have such a negative conotation that it isn't feasable. It's probably the same reason Germany prohibits even the sale of Nazi related material in their country.Quote:
Originally posted by Fubarian:
<STRONG>I wasn't going to post this, but since Falcon is being right...let me say this
If I'm jewish, and start a jewish college fund...thats ok
if I hold a conference and its mexicans only...thats ok too... (this has been done, not with mexicans, but it did happen in my state, I raised hell, but wasn't listened to)
but if I'm white, and want to have a white's only fund...that is illegal as hell. Yet the others are not.... <IMG SRC="smilies/confused.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/confused.gif" border="0"></STRONG>
I also disagree with the melting pot analogy. The US is not like that at all, it's more like a salad bowl, where everything is mixed together, but vegetable each has their own individual flavor. If you still look at all of the racial/ethnic tension that is still prevalent here you can see that we're not all melted together, but very, very seperate.