A Note From Sowulo

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June 21st, 2002, 08:32 AM
opiate

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Quiet Thunder:
Ok, let's get one thing strait. None of us own this site. It's a privilege to be able to post here, for free. If this was a paid site, it MIGHT, and I repeat MIGHT be a different story. Yes, Curt was a god mod. Yes he was a popular mod. I didn't always agree with him, just as I haven't always agreed with Ron. But you know what? This is Scott's baby. This is his site, weather or not he sold it to Internet.com. This is his child that he born, raised, nurtured and spilled his blood sweat and tears over. Intill you are running several t-1 lines out of your house, just so tens of thousands of people gave get/share free internet advice, then you all can try to tell people how to run this site. You know what? Even then, keep your noses out of it. It's none of you're business! You have control over only one thing in this place. And that's your participation. Other than that, back off. Scott doesn’t owe anyone anything. People here are in-grateful and ignorant. People need to learn their roles around here. This is a free site, and instead of crying over the loss of one member, we should be celebrating the fact that we've all had to get to know that member, and the hundreds of other members we all know so well.

Scott, I know you'll probably read this, and I want to say you have my full support, and sympathy. Stick to your guns boss, you're doing nothing wrong, and don't let any bitter people tell you otherwise.<hr /></blockquote>Dood, you said it!
June 21st, 2002, 09:06 AM
Mr. Pickles

I'll be the first to say that I appreciate anyone who stands up for their principles.

However, Curt is displaying the same level of immaturity that he claims "Ronny" has. This was a "poor Sowulo" post, only he didn't have the courage to post it himself. He had someone else do it for him which just makes it that much more pathetic.

He didn't like something that happened. He quit. That is not behavior to be respected. Rather than fight for his principles, he turned tail and left. He blames "Ronny" and then he blames Scott for not backing him up. Is it Scott's job to fight Curt's battles? Ever heard of "the truth shall set you free"? If what you claim to be your truth is the actual truth, people will see it and believe it.

Has "Ronny" gloated at all over his so-called "victory"? No. He has been mature about it, as far as I can see.

Ron is a more strict mod than Sowulo and doesn't worry as much about the touchy-feely crap that Sowulo did. Does that make his contribution less? Hell no. Did Ron give an ultimatum? No. I stopped giving ultimatums in the third grade.

Was Curt a nice guy? sure, I can't dispute that. Is it really killing me that he left? No, not really. Does he get my sympathy? No, I can't say he does.
June 21st, 2002, 09:30 AM
Fubarian

I'm sorry that a lot of people here think his writing was a 'poor me' note. Being neutral during this thing, I've watched everyone involved sink to a real s@#$ level.

To those in favor of Curt -- thats cool, I thought he was ok, I had no problem with him. I use to get a kick out of him a lot of the times when he'd post on something I started.

To those not -- that note wasn't a poor me. He's right on a lot of things -- helping with the site is helping Scott with his job. Granted, I don't know all the details, but thats the way things are.

Opiate, on a side note, that was totally uncalled for. A civil "I don't agree with what he says because" would've been a more approiate action.

Quiet Thunder has a great point -- it is Scotts site, regardless of what happend was right or wrong. Since I don't think any of us know 100% what all happened, who are we to judge one way or the other?

Mr. Pickles if the job your at did something nasty to you...and you tried to fix it and got shunned, would you quit? I think so. There's more important things in life.
June 21st, 2002, 09:46 AM
Todo

I for one am sad to see Sowulo gone from here. I come to WD everyday trying to gain new knowledge and his knowledge and insight and years and years of computer experience will be missed. I personally think that too much politics is involved in determining why people leave here and people seem to forget the point that this is a tech site that is meant to help other people in need of tech help.
June 21st, 2002, 10:02 AM
silencio

:(

I like to argue and run my mouth. It's one of the best ways to toss around ideas and find the truth. But, I never go away from here hating anyone. It's sad to see.

Sowulo, one day I'm going to catch up to you in Work Units <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
June 21st, 2002, 10:19 AM
Mr. Pickles

I disagree with you, Fubarian, this WAS a "poor me" post. This was a typical, "this is why I left, I'm sorry I was forced to leave, hate the people who made me feel this way" post.

Curt knew what being a mod was before he signed up to do it. He knew the rules, inside and out, and he CHOSE to stay. He knew that he was a volunteer. He knew Scott got paid for it. Blaming Scott for it now that he isn't getting his way isn't the mature thing to do.

Trying to insult Ron by calling him "Ronny" isn't going to win him any kind popularity contests with me.
June 21st, 2002, 12:53 PM
Matt_29

JERRY JERRY JERRY
June 21st, 2002, 01:05 PM
Fubarian

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mr. Pickles:
I disagree with you, Fubarian, this WAS a "poor me" post. This was a typical, "this is why I left, I'm sorry I was forced to leave, hate the people who made me feel this way" post.
<hr /></blockquote>I didn't once see in his note anything that said 'hate this person' -- he did point out Ron was partially the cause of his departure, and the other part was because Scott didn't do anything about it, which again, he has his reasons.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mr. Pickles:
Trying to insult Ron by calling him "Ronny" isn't going to win him any kind popularity contests with me.<hr /></blockquote>don't take this personally, but kind of like your sig right?
June 21st, 2002, 01:10 PM
techguy13

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Draggar De'Vir:
Thank you Renee.

You and Curt are both missed a lot.<hr /></blockquote>What Renee has left WD as well? Why?
June 21st, 2002, 01:17 PM
opiate

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Fubarian:
Opiate, on a side note, that was totally uncalled for. A civil "I don't agree with what he says because" would've been a more approiate action.<hr /></blockquote>...and I'm sure if someone smashed into your car you would have said "Darn it! O'Well..." You know that's a lie!

I'm pretty proud to say that I'm NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT! But overall, thanks for sharing with everyone how you would have said it. I now feel more enlightened. :rolleyes:
June 21st, 2002, 01:17 PM
Poseidon

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mr. Pickles:
. . . This was a typical, "this is why I left, I'm sorry I was forced to leave, hate the people who made me feel this way" post. . ..<hr /></blockquote>I’m trying real hard to stay out of this, but Mr. Pickles you are not aware of all the facts. You were not in the Steam Room when all of this came about.

The only reason Sowulo made a post (whether directly or indirectly is besides the point), is in response to the slew of emails he has been receiving asking him to come back. Instead of addressing each one individually, and being Sowulo he felt that he owed everyone an explanation, he figured he would make one last post for clarification.

He has made it perfectly clear he that he has no intension what so ever of coming back.

He is not looking for anyone’s sympathy; to the contrary, he is enjoying the extra 3 hours or so a day he now has to pursue other interests.

. . .and just for the record, personally I think all the parties involved acted inappropriately, and at the same time I believe they (both sides) have some valid points.
June 21st, 2002, 02:02 PM
Lycia

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Poseidon:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mr. Pickles:
. . . This was a typical, "this is why I left, I'm sorry I was forced to leave, hate the people who made me feel this way" post. . ..<hr /></blockquote>I’m trying real hard to stay out of this, but Mr. Pickles you are not aware of all the facts. You were not in the Steam Room when all of this came about.

The only reason Sowulo made a post (whether directly or indirectly is besides the point), is in response to the slew of emails he has been receiving asking him to come back. Instead of addressing each one individually, and being Sowulo he felt that he owed everyone an explanation, he figured he would make one last post for clarification.

He has made it perfectly clear he that he has no intension what so ever of coming back.

He is not looking for anyone’s sympathy; to the contrary, he is enjoying the extra 3 hours or so a day he now has to pursue other interests.

. . .and just for the record, personally I think all the parties involved acted inappropriately, and at the same time I believe they (both sides) have some valid points.<hr /></blockquote>Damnit Poseidon, quit being so damn level!!
June 21st, 2002, 02:18 PM
Mr. Pickles

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Fubarian:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mr. Pickles:
I disagree with you, Fubarian, this WAS a "poor me" post. This was a typical, "this is why I left, I'm sorry I was forced to leave, hate the people who made me feel this way" post.
<hr /></blockquote>I didn't once see in his note anything that said 'hate this person' -- he did point out Ron was partially the cause of his departure, and the other part was because Scott didn't do anything about it, which again, he has his reasons.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mr. Pickles:
Trying to insult Ron by calling him "Ronny" isn't going to win him any kind popularity contests with me.<hr /></blockquote>don't take this personally, but kind of like your sig right?<hr /></blockquote>Yeah, pretty much. I got tired of all of the edited by Sowulo sigs. After a certain amount of time, it just got old.
June 21st, 2002, 02:23 PM
Mr. Pickles

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Poseidon:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mr. Pickles:
. . . This was a typical, "this is why I left, I'm sorry I was forced to leave, hate the people who made me feel this way" post. . ..<hr /></blockquote>I’m trying real hard to stay out of this, but Mr. Pickles you are not aware of all the facts. You were not in the Steam Room when all of this came about.

The only reason Sowulo made a post (whether directly or indirectly is besides the point), is in response to the slew of emails he has been receiving asking him to come back. Instead of addressing each one individually, and being Sowulo he felt that he owed everyone an explanation, he figured he would make one last post for clarification.

He has made it perfectly clear he that he has no intension what so ever of coming back.

He is not looking for anyone’s sympathy; to the contrary, he is enjoying the extra 3 hours or so a day he now has to pursue other interests.

. . .and just for the record, personally I think all the parties involved acted inappropriately, and at the same time I believe they (both sides) have some valid points.<hr /></blockquote>You'd be surprised, I know more than you think. It's not like this whole incident hasn't been copy pasted to about every other member who isn't a member of the steam room.

And just because I'm a jerk doesn't mean that people don't find me entertaining enough to share what they know.

I still disagree. If Curt was interested in letting sleeping dogs lie, he wouldn't have had someone post his message. This is a clear case of trying to appear like the bigger person while insideously trying to gain sympathy for being the "hurt" party.
June 21st, 2002, 02:37 PM
ilovetheusers

What the hell is wrong with all of you? Yes I mean all of you.

Why do I see people who have not posted for some time or those who have gone elsewhere coming back to flame this post? Why are all of you arguing again? Why do I see people who have not poted for weeks coming back only for this? There is no need for any of this inane argumentative bull****. Curt wanted this posted so that everyone would know why he left as he was getting a slew of e-mail about it. Many asked – he responded. There was never a call to begin arguing again, this is just an informational post, treat it as such. There is no need to rehash arguments again and I’m wondering if we could all act like adults for just a moment and please not argue and piss and moan for once.

Please note curt did not ask for anything. Clam was the first to ask for Scott’s response in the steam room and others followed very quickly. Some of use would like to hear Scott say anything at all about this and since the people who want it are the people who actually post the most here and did not run off to form their own mock WD site, or stop posting for the most part to go elsewhere, or just stopped posting, why don’t these folks just go leave well enough alone. We never see many of you unless Curts or Darrens name is mentioned or there is some sort of argument or upheaval of some sort, so please leave us alone here if your only intention is to stir up a piss storm. For the folks who post here frequently, why do you have to argue with everyone all the time, why do you feel the need to do this? Why? Now, for any of you who are taking up open argument against anyone, could you please be civil for just a few days?

Oh, and as a side note (a pet peeve if you will), do not think for once that posting in the steam room or lounge alone makes you a supporter of this site. Perhaps if just a few of you actually were to post in the technical topics once in a while this silly ****e would not be happening. I don’t blame this on having a room to speak in about non tech topics. I blame it on those who have chosen to come here and not help in the technical forums. That is where camaraderie builds, the base members come from and if the majority of you condescended to help out there once in a while maybe people would have a little more respect for you once they got to the lounge or steam room.

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