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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jungle Man?:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Troll:
<strong>The telco didnt put P2P software on her computer, SHE did. SHE downloaded / uploaded garbage. It is HER fault here.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">It is her fault, but they could have sent her a few warning messages/phone calls about the bill she was racking up!
Besides, that's a pretty absurd charge for bandwidth...$65 a month and $0.15 per MB?
Sorry but before charging me $9000 for uploading some files, I'd expect a phone call/email...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hey I'm w/ you on this one Jungleman. What the he!! kind of ISP charges you for uploads and P2P? If it were me I would have disputed the first $8k bill, changed my ISP and then taken their a$$es to court. Better yet, if were me, I would have read the TOS and never gone with those clowns in the first place.
All I can say is it must be a Aussie thing.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by KINGofBLEH:
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All I can say is it must be a Aussie thing.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Neh dude, its an idiot thing <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
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I don't understand why she or anybody who thinks that's wrong is ignorant or an idiot. I guess I must be ignorant and idiotic too then because i'm with you on this one too Jungleman. I think that company is ripping people off. $9000.00 for internet usage? That's absolutely insane! What does she have to show for her $9000.00 investment? Nothing. It's ridiculous that a company in today's high-tech world thinks they can still get away with crap like this. And btw, to say she's been ripped off is an understatement. She needs a lawyer and sue the hell out of that company.
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She signed up for an expensive DSL account. Mistake #1.
She did not understand her TOS fully, and made some grossly uneducated assumptions. Mistake #2.
She installed P2P software, without understanding the dangers there-of. Mistake #3.
She left it running all the damn time. Ignorance is no excuse. Mistake #4.
She has no legal ground to stand on, none at all.
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Yeah! :mad: Huh!?! :confused:
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She signed up for an expensive DSL account. Mistake #1.
I'll agree with that. She could've shopped around a little more.
She did not understand her TOS fully, and made some grossly uneducated assumptions. Mistake #2.
Uh,... ok. :confused:
She installed P2P software, without understanding the dangers there-of. Mistake #3.
Everyone installs and runs P2P software. It doesn't even matter what dangers can occur from P2P software because none of those happened to her (i.e. hacking, virus, etc.)
She left it running all the damn time. Ignorance is no excuse. Mistake #4.
So anybody who leaves P2P running all the time is now considered ignorant? What happens when you're downloading a 1gb+ file over a slow dsl line? You're going to end up leaving that thing running over-night possibly. I'm just trying to figure out how a person is ignorant just because they're using the service they signed up for and pay monthly for. I mean, how is this considered ignorant, or uneducated, etc.?
She has no legal ground to stand on, none at all.
Maybe, maybe not. I think the legal grounds she has to stand on are this:
1) She's already paying $65.00 p/month for dsl service. What extra good or service is she paying for with the $9K? Where is the value for her money here?
2) Yes there was a service contract that she should've read more carefully. But imo, her isp shouldn't be collecting $9K for uploading files, the company that provides the p2p service should collect that money if anyone does.
3) Nobody is perfect, and we all make innocent mistakes. I think a court would sympathize and not make her pay that ludicrous amount.
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I don't use p2p software... and Web, this is Australia, with australian laws, a monopoly on telephones... their system is a shambles.
Its been widely reported in Australia, this woman must have kept her head in the sand.
Yah its great to be in US were consumer power works, elsewhere it doesn't and it sucks!
PS the aussies even have dialup caps - they get charged for everything - upload and download - even the characters sent and received for a lowly irc connection...
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wow that really sucks, i didnt know that.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by [NeoZeeD]:
<strong>wow that really sucks, i didnt know that.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes thats Telstra for you
they ownz everything and in the rush to make money...they rip us off..
I agree with Cameron that she should have been more careful but its wrong...so wrong on Telstra's behalf.
and Web..You cant shop around....in some areas telstra is all that is available and as they own the lines and stuff...any other isp buys off Telstra so it stands to reason that they are more expensive......
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by NooNoo:
<strong>I don't use p2p software... and Web, this is Australia, with australian laws, a monopoly on telephones... their system is a shambles.
Its been widely reported in Australia, this woman must have kept her head in the sand.
Yah its great to be in US were consumer power works, elsewhere it doesn't and it sucks!
PS the aussies even have dialup caps - they get charged for everything - upload and download - even the characters sent and received for a lowly irc connection...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">500 Mb a month cap here, i agree it sucks but thats part an parcel of having a monoply. one that is government controlled. so she has no chance of getting out of this.
it's sad the New zealand has a better system that we do
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Troll:
<strong>She signed up for an expensive DSL account. Mistake #1.
She did not understand her TOS fully, and made some grossly uneducated assumptions. Mistake #2.
She installed P2P software, without understanding the dangers there-of. Mistake #3.
She left it running all the damn time. Ignorance is no excuse. Mistake #4.
She has no legal ground to stand on, none at all.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Is it your goal in life to jump on everyone else's mistakes and make fun? If I remember correctly you were the one that was throwing a huge amount of money into a car that wont be worth half what you put into it when it's all said and done.
You had it right, ignorance is no excuse.
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Might I remind you that the average user doesn't know what the he77 a Megabyte is?
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by disarm:
<strong>Is it your goal in life to jump on everyone else's mistakes and make fun? If I remember correctly you were the one that was throwing a huge amount of money into a car that wont be worth half what you put into it when it's all said and done.
You had it right, ignorance is no excuse.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">No, that isnt my goal in life at all, its just that morons piss me off.
Now, are you actually trying, or does it just come naturally to you? :rolleyes:
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by disarm:
<strong>Might I remind you that the average user doesn't know what the he77 a Megabyte is?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Uh.. didnt you just agree that ignorance is no excuse?
Going to make your mind up, damnit?
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Troll:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jungle Man?:
<strong>Well I sure wouldn't want to be her! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Heh.. you and me both dude.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">I would not be her:
1) I would have read the entire contract / agreement and asked any appropriate questions.
2) I would not have left any file sharing software running unattended.
This is purely asinine if you ask me. Yeah, I feel sorry for her, but it is her own fault.
