You also can't use Home for the down grade rights. That right is only offered on XP Pro.
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You also can't use Home for the down grade rights. That right is only offered on XP Pro.
The OEM CD is required to install the product. You could install over the network though and never use the CD.Quote:
Originally posted by geoscomp
"Offical COA license sticker for XP PRO, license ONLY, No media
**End user must have Microsoft original CD Full OEM."
Does this mean a full cd for each install? If so, then you aren't saving any money, since the cd comes with the coa
As for Home Edition, you can't join a domain with it. That's the major downfall for business users. I have heard of a hack that would allow this but PRO is the way to go.
I think we'll go with xp pro. It also has better recovery options.
One more dumb question : One of the new laptops we got had xp installed on it. I thought you were allowed to install xp on one desktop and one laptop? Or was I dreaming? Not that buying one more license is a big deal but ...;)
That used to be true with 98 for example, but because of the activation requirement, it isn't true with xp. here is the quote from the eula
"THIS LICENSE MAY NOT BE SHARED,
TRANSFERRED TO OR USED CONCURRENTLY
ON DIFFERENT COMPUTERS. The SOFTWARE
is licensed with the HARDWARE as a single integrated
product and may only be used with the HARDWARE. "
This is NOT LEGAL.Quote:
Originally posted by geoscomp
"Offical COA license sticker for XP PRO, license ONLY, No media
**End user must have Microsoft original CD Full OEM."
No the big boys do it either via Open License Agreements, or Select License Agreements.Quote:
Originally posted by cabal
Oh, I thought buying one full version and coa's for each machine was avoiding piracy, thought that how the "big boys" did it.
That is the ONLY time you will ever get a license outside of a FULL RETAIL KIT.
Sorry, you're wrong. OEM versions of XP are available with hardware purchase from vendors able to sell them. There's nothing illegal about it. You don't need a volume license for an OEM license. Dude where do you get your information?Quote:
Originally posted by kannibul
No the big boys do it either via Open License Agreements, or Select License Agreements.
That is the ONLY time you will ever get a license outside of a FULL RETAIL KIT.
My understanding was that when you get the oem version with hardware purchase..which i do all the time, in lots of 5 or 10, you get the coa and the disk. not just the coa
I think every one has mentioned some very good points about every thing on this page. About choosing an OS I just like to say that win2K is awesome and I find it much more stable than XP. However if you want to go with XP, stick with XP pro. Cheers.Quote:
Originally posted by cabal
thanks for all the replies. This helps me alot. One more quick question : xp pro or xp home? I know I should be thinking pro all the way but the coa's for home are half the price of pro.
The link that someone referenced:Quote:
Originally posted by silencio
Sorry, you're wrong. OEM versions of XP are available with hardware purchase from vendors able to sell them. There's nothing illegal about it. You don't need a volume license for an OEM license. Dude where do you get your information?
http://www.componentsdirect.com/deta...productID=1638
Is illegal. You can not buy just a COA, and call it good. A vendor must supply media with the license, unless it is under open/select licensing.
Sorry I didn't include the basis for my arguement earlier. OEM I am sure is different, but I am sure you still need more than just a COA to prove a valid license.
All you need is a COA. The funny thing about OEM XP is that you're not supposed to move it to another machine. I think it was originally intended to be preinstalled on OEM machines but, somewhere in the EULA was a loopole that allowed OEMs to sell OEM licenses as long as it was sold with hardware. So, you buy the OEM license and a piece of hardware and put XP on your machine with full compliance. If you decide to move that OEM copy to a new machine you're legally prohibited to do so. That's the way it's been explained to me by the sales guys.Quote:
Originally posted by kannibul
OEM I am sure is different, but I am sure you still need more than just a COA to prove a valid license.
So, going by that logic, you buy a sound card. Now, if you move the sound card to another machine, then you should be able to install it with that hardware. When you buy the OEM license with a piece of hardware, it would seem that it would be bound to whatever machine has that specific piece of hardware.Quote:
Originally posted by silencio
All you need is a COA. The funny thing about OEM XP is that you're not supposed to move it to another machine. I think it was originally intended to be preinstalled on OEM machines but, somewhere in the EULA was a loopole that allowed OEMs to sell OEM licenses as long as it was sold with hardware. So, you buy the OEM license and a piece of hardware and put XP on your machine with full compliance. If you decide to move that OEM copy to a new machine you're legally prohibited to do so. That's the way it's been explained to me by the sales guys.
This is why I never get OEM licenses. But, I still fully beleive that a COA, by itself without media, is illegal.
I may have touched on this earlier, but when the company I worked for, ordered 170 licenses of Office 2000 Pro. What arrived was two media kits, and 170 COA's.
COA's do not mean squat. I contacted Microsoft Piracy, and informed them of what we had. They asked for a sample and got back with us. Basically, in our situation, the COA was from a retail kit, therefore it was illegal, and we were to try and send it back to the vendor (www.bigclearance.com)
Everything worked out, they took it back willingly, and that was the end of that.
This is where I get the whole COA=nothing.
OEM is for OEM
Loopholes are Enron tactics.
All you need is the COA.Quote:
But, I still fully beleive that a COA, by itself without media, is illegal.
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/s.../guide/oem.asp
I'm still the untrusting person, and would contact Microsoft before making an OEM product w/Hardware purchaseQuote:
Originally posted by silencio
All you need is the COA.
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/s.../guide/oem.asp
Well, being a microsoft partner..that's just what i did..here is the answer from my 20 minute call..(with a real person, none-the-less)
If you purchase a coa..presuming it is a legitimate one with the holographic sticker, etc....you own the license. Neither you, as an end user, nor you, as a reseller, can get in trouble for this..although if you resell without a cd or other means of recovering the system..you can have a problem. However..if you are the person that is selling coa's without a cd..then you can get in big trouble..Microsofts words, not mine.