another good reason to never have children.
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another good reason to never have children.
Now, now...Teachers now have no useful credentials! Just because they attended college many years ago, they think their knowledge is allowed to stagnate? And the NEA is forever more interested in its own union goals, not giving one whit about the children...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
Removing children from public school does NOT prevent social interaction; my kids have many friends, participate in Boy Scouts, etc....and school is SUPPOSED to learn, not just socialize.
"Real world?" Come on Cleetus, the only real world you see is on MTV.
And, regardless of the exercise in question, the police can STILL only respond after-the-fact.
The world is not a safe place, a plane could fall out of the sky and hit your house, the child is at risk everytime they get in the car with their parents, diseases are in the air, life isn't a plastic bubble. We can't protect everyone all the time, honestly, public schooling helped me tremendously. I have said time and time again that all my friends that went to private schools fared worse than those of us that went to public.
Public schools should also not be at fault because your(as in anybody's) child doesn't want to learn, is a loser, won't work, etc.... The tools are laid out equally for all children to learn in an enviroment suited to help the majority learn in a set number of hours a day by people who are correctly trained and experienced in each field. It is the parents responsibility then to make sure that the child takes these tools in hand and go out and make the best of it. People expect the world from the schools and as soon as one little demand doesn't get met and you are inconvenienced by actually having to get up and do something well then it is entirely their fault and not your own. And yes, a teacher who has been teaching a subject for some time and has been tested and certified in said subject is qualified in my book to do a better job at that grade for any child than joe schmoe who thinks they can do it better from home.
Not part of the real world, whatever. The things I learned in Band, playing organized school sports, taking part in Debate teams, walking the halls, the privilidge of some amazing teachers that instilled the knowledge that they imparted, but also a zeal for the subject. Teachers who had different views on subjects, new teachers every year to give different perspectives of the material and of the world at large.
No offense Paraflyer, but from many of the posts I have read from you on a political nature you are by and far a very suspicious to paranoid person, you see more than is there and feel more is after you than is often the case. We see the world completely differently, and have completley different ideas on how things should be done, and neither of us are either right or wrong.
Some kids will go far in homeschooling, some will not, but the same is with public and private schools. For me, the public school offers much more than me or my future brilliant and beautiful wife could ever hope to even compete with. And yes, if they have to deal with rejection, bullying, losing, winning, being perfect, harassment, detentions, a bad teacher, a bad hair day, sex education, or whatever, I hope and pray that I will be a good enough father to do my part to insure that they learn from each of these life growing, character creating challanges that will come their way.
Nothing builds charachter more than getting your *** beat or sodomized by a group of jocks who escalate their level of violence every year. Cleetus, do you really live in the real world or did your mom work at school?
Ok, now we are gettting somewher, most of you were "victims" and lash out and think that is bad, or what happened to a couple of kids is going to happen to everysingle child, now please tell me, who is living in the real world, and who is paranoid over the things that make it to the sensationalist news.
I have to agree with you, Cleetus. I personally do feel that the sissifying of america is causing a problem in school. I went to school in both the inner city and in the well off suburbs. There were more issues with depressed kids and people capable of these school issues in the well off area than in the hood. These kids had no sence of normal and never learned that with every action there would be a reaction. I had a couple of times in Jr high (inner city) that someone brought a gun or knife to school. As soon as it was found out, this person was confronted, and taken out back for a "lesson". These people both never did anything like that again. These kids today that do this are looking for attention and have power in their lives. If they come to learn that they will not have any real power gain happiness by doing it, it will not be as bug of an issue. You know that in the well off school, everyone would have run away and never tried to recify the situation.
Home schooling is a good idea for some if it is done properly. If you make sure the child is involved in outside activities such as sports or theatre, they will be able to learn the social skills they need. I had a friend in h.s. that played football for a public school but was home schooled. He was well adjusted and fit in well. That is why parents have a choice.
P.S. Anyone that says it is just the new generation is the root of the problems, rember who had to coin the term "Going Postal"!!!!!!!
You're saying an *** beating isn't common? Where did you goto school, candyland?
NO the sodomozation isn't common, *** beatings are everywhere, not just schools. ANd yes, I got my *** beat once, once, then I learned how to control the situation, I learned not to start it, I learned how to finish it, I learned many, many things that day. So yes, I grew, one of the many steps to becoming a man. I know how to control most volatile situations, and if it goes beyond that point, I am not getting my *** beat again for not knowing better. And if you tell me that home schooling is going to protect your child from an *** beating, then you are living in an even bigger fantasy then you claim I am in.
When I went to the HS in the burbs, it was not common. The school was so bad that I was in the hall with a buddy and we were acting out a fight scene from a movie, joking around. We were not within a foot of hitting each other. we were both tackled by teachers walking the halls and we were both being faced with expulsion before the football coach came to conifrm that we were friends.
One other incident I had was when I was taken to the police liason's pffice and I was read my rights (about to be arrested for assault) because I supposedly threw a snowball at a couple of kids 2 miles from school!!! I had to show videotape from football practice to show I was still at school when the "assault" occured.
I know of a kid that was suspended for a week for singing a song that had the line "I'm gonna kick your a$$" as he was walking down the hall. One of the kids that heard him thought he was talking to her, and convinced the dean she was fearful for her life. This is the type of things going too far that is happening in schools today. There was only 1 fight that happened in my 3 years of high school, and that was broken up before 1 punch was thrown. I know this is not a typical school, but it is the type of school that columbine or riccori are. Coming from a diverse background, I have been kicked and have done the kicking when needed, and I learned something from every situation. I think that running from every issue makes you weak and open for attacks such as the kids with guns.
I'm not sure where this is going, but I thought I would clarify my position. I don’t believe that home schooling is the way to go, just because my wife and I both work. To prepare myself, or her for the responsibility of the courses we would need to be able to instruct our children on is too much workload. Besides, I pay taxes, unless I am getting all of that money back for not sending my kids to public school, then I intend to use that benefit. I also don’t think that there are too many parents that will home school their children past a certain age, perhaps end of elementary. Simple reason being that there is a requirement for peer interaction. And the kids you once held in your arms and rocked to sleep have to get out there on their own, and learn to grow up.
That was kind of where I was going when I said I would home school my children. I really can’t, and most probably wont. But I really wish I could. I don’t ever want them to grow up, but the reality, I know that they will have to and I have to encourage it every step of the way.
BTW, Cleetus, my son is here with me while I was reading the thread, he went absolutely nutz over your avatar. I think he thinks you look cool, he just doesn’t know how to say it yet… ;)
I'll homeschool. I recall exactly the sex, alcohol, violence and drug abuse that occured. I won't let that happen to my kids.
When I was in 10th grade I thought the coolest teacher in the world was my soc teacher. We went on a class trip to gettysburg where his teachers aid bought us beer. Pretty cool from a tenth graders perspective. Pretty crazy from a parents perspective. The list of things like that goes on for a mile and I'm being totally hipocritical in frowning today on the transgressions I revelled in as a kid but that's hindsight.
Kid's aint just a movie.
Wow, I child is likeing me, just one step closer to total world domination :thumbs2:
That's where home schooling comes in. I have to teach him to know right from Cleetus... :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
The Educational system does have its problems, but then again what doesn't? Overall some really good things happen everyday at schools accross the Nation and World. I am a product of public education. I now work for the same school system that I was a student in. So some of my former teachers are now co-workers. Everyday I see problems with the way things are being done, the way things are run and the way the kids are treated. But then also I see some kids in class learning and excited. I think what it really comes down to is parenting, if the parents spent more time with there kids. The kid would be getting attention and not need to go shoot someone to get it. I know parents work so provide for there kid, but there is a point where you are hurting you kid by not being there for them.
That's why we have our son in a private school