Nero and WMA files

Well if I was to buy music online I wouldn't pay for any compressed music file like an MP3, WMA, aif or asf. I'd be wanting a full 1411bps wav. I know it would be a large download like 43MBs for a 4 minute song, but if they're going to charge you for it you might as well get the whole song not just bits of one. I know a lot of music CDs these days have computer play protection meaning they won't allow you to play an audio CD unless you install the software that's bundled with the CD which is BS because it prevents you from ripping MP3s. But I know that there are some programs out there that will allow you to record what you hear just like the sound recorder that comes with windows, but I believe the program that comes with windows limits you to 60 seconds of recording. The other programs allow you to record a whole CD if you wanted to. If you had one of them programs that allow you to record what you hear for longer than a minute, you could play that wma file you bought with MP and record what you hear with the other program which would be recording a .wav file that you could convert to MP3 because you would be playing that file with one player and recording it with another. Was that confusing or did it make some sense? I'm confused, because when I first started writing this I thought I knew what I was trying to say.

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Originally Posted by Humilliation

... I'm confused, because when I first started writing this I thought I knew what I was trying to say.

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Happens only to the best of us :D ;)

Since I'm always like that, I've learnt to adapt so perhaps ...

If downloading music - its cheeky charging for an mp3 which is only 1/2 the 'sound' (or less depending on its quality) - best is the full track 'un-shrunk'

DRM is pants - as you paid, why can't you then do what you want with it ? (of course only for personal uses & not to bankrupt Sony or whoever by selling it again)..

& there is stuff 'out there' which can defeat all this anyway - with which any 'pirate' should be able to 'sink any copy protection' within a flash - so all this does is make life 'hard' for normal folks who might like to play the tracks they just downloaded in the car or mp3 player or wherever they damn well please if its for them ...

Of course as I am confus-ed you might have been saying something completely different ! :D:D:D

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Originally Posted by Platypus

I don't think it should be possible to copy these files by any (legal) digital means. Once the data is converted into analog form though, DRM can't do anything about it... :devil:

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No player that conforms to the legal requirements of DRM will digitally copy a music file contrary to the licence. (I've seen it suggested that iTunes will migrate a WMA to mp3, I've also seen it suggested that patches Apple are urging users to apply for "security" correct "features" which may include this one... ) There are always "hacks" being developed to get around measures like this, but even though eboy could likely feel justified using one to get the copying entitlement he had paid for, such things are not promoted around WinDrivers.

An alternative way of getting around the problem is to make an analog copy, which DRM cannot prevent. The copy will not be as good, as it will go through two stages of analog conversion, besides the lossy compression being converted to mp3 which would be happening either way. But it could be serviceable. Any full-duplex sound card (basically anything modern) can play the file back and record a WAV file of the resulting sound. The recording could be done with free software like Audacity, or the free Cool Edit can probably still be found. (As Humilliation has mentioned, Windows Sound Recorder is only intended for recording sound "bytes" to attach to Windows events.)

eboy, glad they came good with the refund, but not being a music downloader, I can't offer any help with source recommendations. (Have you looked at iTunes?)


(Humilliation, I guess you meant to say 1411Kbps for CD bitrate.)

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Originally Posted by Platypus

..There are always "hacks" being developed to get around measures like this, but even though eboy could likely feel justified using one to get the copying entitlement he had paid for, such things are not promoted around WinDrivers...

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Well why the hell not ? - we've done this before on other threads & the conclusion I kept coming to was that since DRM generally infringes on individual freedom to do a lawful thing, it stinks !, & there also isn't any reason under any rules we have here - that if its legal, it shouldn't be shown how.

So glad you suggested how to do it by analogue means :thumbs: (but your two sentiments got me all confus-ed so I thought I'd mention :D) ..... I ain't sussed it yet digitally ... but if anyone has ?

For all the hassle I guess I'll just go back to the old way and buy the cd's.

Funny you can download illegal MP3's and burn with no hassle, but when you want to be legit you get nothing but headaches.

https://forums.windrivers.com/

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Originally Posted by confus-ed

Well why the hell not ? - we've done this before on other threads & the conclusion I kept coming to was that since DRM generally infringes on individual freedom to do a lawful thing, it stinks !, & there also isn't any reason under any rules we have here - that if its legal, it shouldn't be shown how.

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I did choose my words fairly carefully, and aimed to base my comments on what is legal:

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Originally Posted by Platypus

No player that conforms to the legal requirements of DRM will digitally copy a music file contrary to the licence.

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and what is accepted practice on the Forum:

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Originally Posted by Platypus

There are always "hacks" being developed to get around measures like this, but... such things are not promoted around WinDrivers.

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WD is nowhere as trigger-happy as some tech sites where just a reference to the existence of a "hack" will get a thread closed or deleted. But unless things have changed, my understanding is that we certainly steer clear of actively directing people to warez, hacks etc. I didn't suggest there was any rule forbidding explanation of an action that is legal...

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Originally Posted by eboyjones

Funny you can download illegal MP3's and burn with no hassle, but when you want to be legit you get nothing but headaches.

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Sadly, it happens so often that the measures taken against those who do the wrong thing also hit those who want to do the right thing. At the shop, we're getting more people asking for help because their CD players can't play the recent copy protected discs.

We can only hope that DRM will get sorted quickly and work smoothly to help those who are entitled to the rewards of their labour to not be ripped off, and promote economical availability of a good product for the end user.

In the meantime, at least with a CD you've got the full quality material, not a mangled facsimile...