Constitutional Ban on Gay Marriage

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Originally Posted by a d e p t

Regardless of the issue at hand, what other recourse would the administration have when the established legal system attempts to supersede their authority?

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Well Bush could just use underhanded tactics to bypass the senate to install ultra right wing judges to federal appeals court.

You know the kind of fascist that even other ultra right wing republicans hate?

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Originally Posted by +Daemon+

lol, dammit ganna make california a flamin state im leaving...

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The problem you've got with each state deciding is, if say California recognizes a gay couple being married and North Carolina doesn't. A gay couple drives to North Carolina and stays in a hotel room. The guest next store complains that the couple is having sex. The hotel manager calls the police and the police arrest the couple on North Carolina's anti-sodomy laws.

Technically, a marriage in one state should have 'full faith & credit" or be legally recognized in another state. But would that be true?

Personally I'd be in favor of gay marriage but I don't know what our adoption laws would be like. Would they then be able to adopt? And then potentially change the sexuality of a child.

I think not. I'm frankly scared of it.... :sad:

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Originally Posted by craigmodius

Well Bush could just use underhanded tactics to bypass the senate to install ultra right wing judges to federal appeals court.

You know the kind of fascist that even other ultra right wing republicans hate?

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Guess they should have taken Estrada when they had the chance.

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Originally Posted by inferno_gn

Hi there,

Yeah, same topic all over again. I wonder why peoples give a crap about this issue over and over and over. I think it's again, all about religions all controling their believs into others. Religions have it's good points and bad points, but it shouldn't force it. It's like discriminating! Come on!

This "Constitutional Ban", another way to reduce your freedom and liberity for who and what you are.

The next thing it's going to do is to ban porn!

Ju Leon...

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What a jolly good idea..as long as tentacle porn is first on the list.

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Originally Posted by confus-ed

I demand a ban on it for 2 months :devil:

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:D

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Originally Posted by Orangeman

Personally I'd be in favor of gay marriage but I don't know what our adoption laws would be like. Would they then be able to adopt? And then potentially change the sexuality of a child.

I think not. I'm frankly scared of it.... :sad:

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Whether a person is heterosexual or homosexual has no bearing on the sexual orientation of a child. If it did, then there wouldn't be any homosexual people coming out of heterosexual households. But my straight parents raised one straight child and one gay child. And, if you've read my previous posts, you'd know that my dad was just like Archie Bunker, so I was brought up "very straight".

Bush's Constitutional ammendment is just his way of getting his own way. Just a case of the powerful making everyone else live life how THEY want it.

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Originally Posted by Orangeman

The problem you've got with each state deciding is, if say California recognizes a gay couple being married and North Carolina doesn't. A gay couple drives to North Carolina and stays in a hotel room. The guest next store complains that the couple is having sex. The hotel manager calls the police and the police arrest the couple on North Carolina's anti-sodomy laws.

Technically, a marriage in one state should have 'full faith & credit" or be legally recognized in another state. But would that be true?

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That's Bush's fear exactly. In general, each state is required to recognize laws passed in the others. So, if a gay couple were married in one state, that marriage would theoretically have to be recognized in the other 50...EXCEPT, the Defense of Marriage Act (or whatever the heck its called) currently provides an out where the states would not have to recognize the marriage (or a marriage from another country, i.e., Canada, the Netherlands, etc.) The way the courts are going, however, Bush thinks there's a good chance that the Defense of Marriage Act will be declared unconstitutional - thats why he's pushing the consitutional amendment.

BTW, the Supreme Court declared the anti-sodomy laws unconstitutional.

Oh I just can't resist

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Originally Posted by hudsonsmith

BTW, the Supreme Court declared the anti-sodomy laws unconstitutional.

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The double jeopardy clause protects people from getting shafted twice.

OMG - silencio -funny.




Like I said beofre, it's posturing. It'll never be passed once opposition really ramps up. Bush is just trying to get back to the business of being very conservative after a serries of things that left a few conservatives scratching their heads (medicare, illigal immigrant laws, etc.).

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Originally Posted by Sunshine

Whether a person (parent) is heterosexual or homosexual has no bearing on the sexual orientation of a child.......

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Are you sure that having two gay parents wouldn't make a person more likely to become gay?

I had a friend who was bought up by a gay uncle after his straight parents died. He wound up becoming gay....:)

Kids are influenced by what they see around them. :)

Oh joy... this topic again? Well lets just recap the conclusion I came to at the "end" of the last thread to deal with this topic.

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Originally Posted by arch0nmyc0n

Well a lot of people seem to have a problem with them using the word "marriage" and that seems to be the basis of some people's arguements. So I figure the best compromise to date is to make civil unions the same thing as a marriage; just a different word and from what I've seen here that would alleviate some "stress" on the topic. Speaking as a "neutral" party I can see a lot more people on both sides agreeing with this suggestion.

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In the last thread, a noticable number of people voice an opinion that the word marriage was "reserved for a man and a woman". I figure the quote is the best way to go....

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Originally Posted by Orangeman

Are you sure that having two gay parents wouldn't make a person more likely to become gay?

I had a friend who was bought up by a gay uncle after his straight parents died. He wound up becoming gay....:)

Kids are influenced by what they see around them. :)

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I can only venture a guess as to your friend’s true orientation, but I would say that he was gay from day one. It was highly unlikely that being brought up by a gay uncle had any bearing whatsoever on his orientation.

After all, if a child is swayed by their surroundings, should I have not grown up to be straight? My parents are as straight as they come. I don’t want to rehash this topic again. We pretty much all know where the others stand.

This thread is about President Bush’s attempt at permanently turning American against American, brother against sister, friend against friend. Basically, he’s trying to force the rest of America to follow his beliefs. That’s all there is to it.

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Originally Posted by Orangeman

Are you sure that having two gay parents wouldn't make a person more likely to become gay?

I had a friend who was bought up by a gay uncle after his straight parents died. He wound up becoming gay....:)

Kids are influenced by what they see around them. :)

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I had a GF with 2 mommies. She's straight as they come.

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Originally Posted by Sunshine

I can only venture a guess as to your friend’s true orientation, but I would say that he was gay from day one. It was highly unlikely that being brought up by a gay uncle had any bearing whatsoever on his orientation.

After all, if a child is swayed by their surroundings, should I have not grown up to be straight? My parents are as straight as they come. I don’t want to rehash this topic again. We pretty much all know where the others stand.

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But…it seems awful convenient to say it that way; as usual I disagree. The reason I believe that it happened, and probability steers that way as well…is that the level of acceptance was far to extreme, and someone that probably isn’t gay, now proclaims to be that way…smells way to fishy for me to accept your answer!

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

But…it seems awful convenient to say it that way; as usual I disagree. The reason I believe that it happened, and probability steers that way as well…is that the level of acceptance was far to extreme, and someone that probably isn’t gay, now proclaims to be that way…smells way to fishy for me to accept your answer!

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The following quote is from the US dept of Health and Human Services:
""Children raised in homosexual households will become gay."

The bulk of evidence to date indicates that children raised by gay and lesbian parents are no more likely to become homosexual than children raised by heterosexuals. As one researcher put it, "If heterosexual parenting is insufficient to ensure that children will also be heterosexual, then there is no reason to conclude that children of homosexuals also will be gay".

Studies asking the children of gay fathers to express their sexual orientation showed the majority of children to be heterosexual, with the proportion of gay offspring similar to that of a random sample of the population. An assessment of more than 300 children born to gay or lesbian parents in 12 different samples shows no evidence of "significant disturbances of any kind in the development of sexual identity among these individuals".

the complete article is here:

http://naic.acf.hhs.gov/pubs/f_gay.cfm