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Why '46 silence? The cold war? Do you really think this is a continuation of that?Quote:
Originally Posted by silencio
Or, the remapping of the Middle East? Geesh, that was a given! That map has always been in "flux". Geesh, since Biblical days! Can't blame that on the 20th century...that was bound to happen.
So: what are you saying?
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Posted by TripleRLtd with my responses:
It fails to mention we overthrew their government and put our guy the Shah back into power. We then supported him while he terrorized his own people with torture that was very similiar to Saddams. So who attacked who first?Quote:
>It was a cool fall day in November 1979 in a country going through a
religious and political upheaval when a group of Iranian students
attacked and seized the American Embassy in Tehran. This seizure was an outright attack on American soil; it was an attack that held the world's most
powerful country hostage and paralyzed a Presidency. The attack on this
sovereign U. S. embassy set the stage for events to follow for the next
23 years.
If you change it to President Bush and attacking Iraq you have the exact same situation now with Americas inability to stop kidnapping and killings of Americans.Quote:
>Then, President Carter,
had to do something. He chose to conduct a clandestine raid in the desert.
The ill-fated mission ended in ruin, but stood as a symbol of America's
inability to deal with terrorism.
>Shortly after the Tehran experience, Americans began to be kidnapped and
killed throughout the Middle East. America could do little to protect her
citizens living and working abroad.
While even one is too many lets look at the casualties from this war.Quote:
>. America has been under a constant attack since 1979 !!!!
From your post there were 276 people killed in this war from 1979 to 2000. While even one is to many it averages out to about 13 people per year. If you include 2001 (9-1) its 149 a year. So is it a war?
Are you saying that after the hostages were taken or released we put the Shah back into power? Or are you saying we put the Shah into power before the crisis?Quote:
Originally Posted by techs
No we put the Shah back into power way before the hostages. I am not saying it was right to take hostages. Of course it is wrong. I just pointed out we attacked them first (we overthrew their government) and we ruled them thru our proxy the Shah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jediab
I wonder how you would feel if the United States governmetn was overthrown by China and they put their guy in charge for 30 years and he tortured and maimed us.
So we actually started the war with Iran first.
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Originally Posted by techs
Why do you keep asking stupid hypothetical questions like this? Do you really love terrorism so much that you have to constantly rebuke anyone who says they are bad? You have to make excuses for them no matter what is said? But how about this? But how about that? But back in.....You are starting to sound like you raked in some of that Food for Oil money from the UN. So to help protect your mealticket, you have to pull a France. Oh wait, you probably think that stuff is a Bush lie too.
And you also are using a classic Mooreism. You said the Shah BACK into power. That implies he was there at least 1 time before. Is Mooreon your leftist politcal speech Hate America mentor?
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Originally Posted by Jediab
You said the Shah BACK into power. That implies he was there at least 1 time before.
Guess you never picked up a history book:
Mohammed Reza Pahlavi was the shah of Iran from 1941 to 1979, except for a brief period in 1953 when Prime Minister Muhammed Mosaddeq overthrew him. Mosaddeq was in turn overthrown with assistance from the U.S., and the shah was returned to power as a U.S. ally.
Do you really love terrorism so much that you have to constantly rebuke anyone who says they are bad?
I never ONCE said terrorists are not bad. I am trying to show WHY they do what they do. Our ignorant President says terrrorists attack us because they hate our freedom.
I believe most of them hate us for our ACTIONS.
Just the fact that despite such a famous historical episode like the taking of the hostages most people don't know this simple historical fact about the Shah proves my point.
I DO equate the actions of the American government with terrorists. Before you go flaming look up how many governments we aided and supported while they terrorized and killed their own people. Just because its a government doesn't mean its NOT terrorism.
Right wing paramilitary hit squads supported by governments was just one of the terrorist groups we supported.
You are starting to sound like you raked in some of that Food for Oil money from the UN
Nope, didn't get any of that money. But Bush is now COVERING it up. The congressional investigation of this has gone public criticizing Bushes refusal to provide info. And criticizing the US lack of pursuit of the truth about the Oil for Food program. The Republican congress.
And you also are using a classic Mooreism.
He's a classic now?
Keep shoveling that cow manure!Quote:
Originally Posted by techs
Translation: I hate you because you disagree with me so now I must spew hateQuote:
Originally Posted by Jediab
Wow talk about the pot calling the kettle black of however that phrase goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
But hey what else would I expect from Cleet? :devil:
The truth and nothing but the truth :thumbs2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jediab
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Originally Posted by techs
Uh, I think that happened with Clinton. Remember the Lincoln room? Remember Gore visiting the China-affiliated Buddhist temple for a casual "visit" and walking out with half a million dollars? Remember letting China into the WTO (which incidentally cost me my most recent job as it was outsorced to the People's Republic). The only reason Ken Starr never caught them on all that was that the Clinton administration was masterful at lying and shredding documents.
Mmm, Kent Star knew about that because he was a klinton plant sent to divert attention away from the murder of James Mcdougal. Do your research there. The whole monica thing was as wagging tail.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duke of Rezin