Prayer in Scnool

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

I am going to go against the grain here on this one...for the simple reason being that you weren't specific enough on the time allotted, and what sort of method was used to determine what should be restricted/allowed when referring to religious activity.

I don't think students should be lead in prayer like the pledge by the staff of the school. I do however think that children should be allotted a moment to offer a silent prayer perhaps, or crack open a bible or whatever, without being persecuted by the students, the staff, and the school boards of various states, even so much as suspending kids for praying. Also, if a group wants to organize for say a brief bible study at lunch or recess, or even after school on school grounds, it shouldn’t be prohibited, but perhaps controlled to ensure that the ideas aren’t overstepping any boundaries, and that no other rules are being broken. But to ban religious activity entirely is not such a good thing.

Just the same that it is our right to separate church from state, it is also our right to embrace one while attending the other, or not at all if that's our individual choice.

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There! Ya_Know summed it up better than me. That's very much what I meant, I just didn't 'articulate' it as well. (Side note: is there a word for 'articulate' which applies to writing?)

I was kept out of 8th grade football practice for three days because I didn't want to lead the class in the Lord's Prayer...https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif

Public School in Henrico County Virginia 1971. I was suspended on a Monday and reinstated on Thursday. According to the Principle it was just a...umm...misunderstanding.https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif Well that and my parents raising holy hades with the school board rep from our area. The very next year there was no school prayer at all (my situation didn't have anything to do with the decision). Funny that was the one and only time I was ever suspended from any activity during my school years. Kollege skoolin' ain't countin'! https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2006/04/1.gif

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Originally Posted by Vergence

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There! Ya_Know summed it up better than me. That's very much what I meant, I just didn't 'articulate' it as well. (Side note: is there a word for 'articulate' which applies to writing?)

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Originally Posted by Major Kong

I was kept out of 8th grade football practice for three days because I didn't want to lead the class in the Lord's Prayer...https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif

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And see, that's what people hate about religion, when it's forced on them. So I understand where you're coming from and what happened was wrong! But at the same time, it should be an option to say a prayer as well. You are just not required to participate...its called free will...and we should embrace that!


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I have no problem with people quietly praying on their own, or making their own bible groups. As long as it is not on school time. With all the moaning and complaining about the quality of education today, I would think anything that would distract or take time away would be a bad thing.

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Originally Posted by Cleetus

I have no problem with people quietly praying on their own, or making their own bible groups. As long as it is not on school time. With all the moaning and complaining about the quality of education today, I would think anything that would distract or take time away would be a bad thing.

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In bold, there's your first mistake. :p

Posted byMajor Kong

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Well that and my parents raising holy hades with the school board rep from our area

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Pun?

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Originally Posted by Ya_know

In bold, there's your first mistake. :p

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Typical right wing morals, at all costs insult your opponent.


Nice :thumbs2:

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Originally Posted by techs

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Pun?

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Nope Stone Cold Fact...I rekkin' I could have stated it as Holy Hell, but that might be more of a Virginia term to y'all Yankees who don't grok such quaint colloquialisms. https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif

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Originally Posted by Cleetus

Typical right wing morals, at all costs insult your opponent.


Nice :thumbs2:

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There you go attacking me just because I am right...nice!

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Public school is for public learning. Religious school is for religious learning. The way my High School worked, we did the pledge of allegiance in the morning followed by a one minute moment of complete silence for prayer, reflection, maybe remember someone who had passed away, whatever you wanted as long as you were still and silent and respectfull of everyone else in the room. Some kids would make the sign of the cross after they were done if they wanted to pray, others just went to their seat after the moment.

no religion if they dont teach spelling :D

If it's a privite religious school then yes. If it's a public school, no.

I voted yes.

My daughter is 6 and just finished year 1. She has been taught religion already at school and about praying. She now says prayers before she goes to bed, (totally voluntary), and at assembly at school. She has also started to insist she says grace before evening dinner, (which is not something we have done much of before), and it's something I am starting to like. I certainly don't have a problem with it. It makes her ask questions about religion and god, (maybe I should give her Adepts e-mail address), and a choice about wether she follows it up or not in later life.

Because her school is multi-national she has also been taught about other religions and beliefs and is a lot more knowledgeable than me about it. It can only be a good thing.

My only reservation would be at secondary school (12 and up) when they should be given the choice, but at an early age they should be given every opportunity to learn about the world around them, including religion and prayer.

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Originally Posted by Cleetus

With all the moaning and complaining about the quality of education today, I would think anything that would distract or take time away would be a bad thing.

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You're absolutely right. So along with religion, let's also get rid of school-sponsored sporting events, extracurricular clubs.......

Not that I'm religous, but isn't giving kids education with no moral compass (or in this case, suppressing it) even worse?

The way I see it, the separation of church and state doctrine seems to do no more than prevent pledging allegience to a God and replacing that to elevate government to "godhood".

That's why there's a big push to eliminate "the 10 commandments" from all government buildings.....those housed within do not wish to be reminded of their shortcomings, nor do they want to hold the idea that there may be a power greater than theirs.