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I can't find it now, but have the quote at home from Dick Cheney after the first Gulf War. Paraphrased he said that every armies readiness and ability is directly linked to the previous president and that following the first Gulf War he immidiatly called Reagan to thank him.
Odd how people will not attribute that to Clinton though....Yes we do have less bases but the ability to strike with smarter weapons and fewer people is at a phase unthought of during the first Gulf War.
WTF? You're saying he had a big military buildup, and decided not to use it? It's also Clinton's military that had the wonderful (note the sarcasm) reduction-in-forces act. The hardware's useless if there's no one to run it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
And repeatedly missed the target; not much mention of that, is there? But when Bush deployed military into Afghanistan, and couldn't keep up with Osama's moves, wow, what a disaster....Quote:
Originally Posted by cleetus
So then everything Bush has done militarily has been failures? Or are you just reaching for anything you can to discredit Clinton?Quote:
Originally Posted by paraflyer
No, not everything is a failure; but you can't continuously credit Clinton for all the successes, either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
Obviously no you cannot, but also on the flip you can't really claim he did absolutly nothing either.Quote:
Originally Posted by paraflyer
Where in what I said did you think I was quoting Dick Chenney??? Dude, comment on my quote if you are going to rebut anything that I say...not what Dick said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
What I said was that this military is neither of the two Bushs or Clinton's, it is the countless men and women that make it what it is...if it kicks a$$ or falls apart, it's the men in uniform that deserve the credit. Period.
But I don't care about what you think, I have my own agenda.
Let me guess, the operations are almost complete...you will soon be all man. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
It's always back to the gay thing with you isn't itQuote:
Originally Posted by Ya_know
You're the one that's blowing off a perfectly good argument because you "have your own agenda". I think you really don't want to go head to head because I am kicking your a$$. The whole "My own agenda" thing is what's gay around here...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
Ok fine then, the men and women of the armed services are only as good as they are funded and equipped in today's modern military where fewer people can do more then ever, more precisely. To say that the president has no influence is blind loyality to what you were, but no necessarily completely how things really are.
I had already said that I was not up to troop deployments at the time, so instead was using actual(paraphrased) quotes from one that was in charge of making sure that everything worked the way it should, and would know a whole hell of a lot more of the big picture militarily then any of us here.
I was trying to have some respect cause last several times I have blasted off on those who have served I have pissed some people off, and remember one that hasn't come back since.
Who, confus-ed? I think he's taking a break from all of us... :thumbs:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus
Nah, it was over a year ago, there was a young marine stationed in California if I remember correctly that suddenly stopped posting after I went off on a rant about the attitudes of military people vs civilians and how they often think they are better and entitled to more freedom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ya_know
Wow, Cleetus beat off a Marine! :eek2:
You're talking about Archangel42069 ? I think he just got bored with the place like everybody else that has left. Why don't you pm him, tell him you're sorry for being a punk... :thumbs:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus