cannot see computer in workgroup.

Where do all these home clients think their dns comes from ? The isp or your router ? - I think thats whats amiss, not knowing what it should resolve with with what where, which is the trouble with peer to peer, something still should serve the resolution, just one place, not several..

& have you seen this bit 'new' in sp2 ? - Windows Peer-to-Peer Networking (I hadn't but I want to know what it does :D)

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Originally Posted by confus-ed

Where do all these home clients think their dns comes from ? The isp or your router ? - I think thats whats amiss, not knowing what it should resolve with with what where, which is the trouble with peer to peer, something still should serve the resolution, just one place, not several..

& have you seen this bit 'new' in sp2 ? - Windows Peer-to-Peer Networking (I hadn't but I want to know what it does :D)

Im not really sure but here is the settings from PC 2 which can see shared files from PC 1 as well as its own. (The DNS servers listed are for the ISP as I have checked them against my own as we both use the same ISP.)

Windows IP Configuration
Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Isabellascomputer
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : CNet PRO200WL PCI Fast Ethernet Adap
ter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-08-A1-37-4A-E5
Ethernet adapter Wireless Network Connection:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : NETGEAR WG311v2 802.11g Wireless PCI
Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-09-5B-8F-AA-90
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.3
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 202.72.191.199
203.10.1.9
192.168.0.1

Oooo ! .. 3 DNS servers no wonder its confus-ed ! ;)

There's 6 general ways of doing name resolution for networks, they are in 'Billys preferentional order' ; -
NetBIOS broadcasts
HOSTS files
LMHOSTS files
Domain Name Server (DNS)
Windows Internet Name Service (WINS)
Dynamic DNS

See this (which is v good) -Name Registration and Resolution in Windows NT

So at the minute we are using the first, & have half heartedly attempted to use wins too;- but lets have another go You cannot access shared files and folders or browse computers in the workgroup -Q318030 as

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..You receive the following error message when you double-click the workgroup in My Network Places:
Workgroup Name is not accessible. You may not have permission to use this network resource...

& as I never said earlier, I think you are best served with named accounts, other than guest, even if you don't use passwords (once we've got it going you can secure it as suggested earlier with settings on your router & local firewalls).

Ed,
Okay im getting just a teeny bit confused here so will point out my confused-ness one step at a time.

1. Although there are 3 dns server entrys on PC 2, this comp does not seem to have a problem accessing its own shared files or the other computers shared files.

2.We have turned off the guest account but are using simple file sharing anyway. PC 1 logs in as Anthony with a blank password, while PC 2 logs in as Lauren with a blank password. I know with XP Pro file sharing you have to setup user accounts on the main pc for access by a remote computer (eg PC 1 would need a user account "lauren" for PC2-lauren to access it.)However assumed that is not the case with simple file sharing (Especially as PC 2 can access shared files as is anyway.)

3. I have already enabled netbios over tcp/ip and made sure the browser service was running. That fixed my original problem of getting the error message...
Workgroup Name is not accessible. You may not have permission to use this network resource.
However I still cannot see PC 1 in the workgroup.
I havent bothered so much in trying to get the network up and running properly as I figured the main problem is that I cant see PC 1 in the workgroup whilst I am on PC1....However PC 2 is working fine and can see all shared files on both pc's anyway.

Tonight I uninstalled Nortons security and renamed the workgroup and computers. I also uninstalled SP2 but still have problems.

Here is a rundown.

On PC2 I can ping PC 1 by IP and can access shared files from pc1.
But I cannot ping PC 1 by name.

On PC1 I can ping PC 2 by name and IP address

So...as you can see my problem is that PC 1 does not see any computers on the network including itself or any shared files. PC 2 can see itself on the network but not PC1 or its files.
I will read through the links you gave me to see if I can fix the problem. We tried to use a system restore point to revert back to before sp2 but it failed to work. We are starting to think its a problem with the install of XP on PC1 and should format the drive and re-install.

So I think you want sp2 on as it adds IPv6 (one of the links refers) & I think that can maintain workgroup & computer names 'better' using tcp/ip, as net bios was originally designed for broadcast on small networks, not the internet. I dunno whether it leaves it behind or not if you remove sp2.

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On PC2 I can ping PC 1 by IP and can access shared files from pc1.
But I cannot ping PC 1 by name.

This tells me it still can't resolve names right for some reason as it stands, I pressume it says it can't resolve the name not can't find it all?

Is there a difference or not if you run ipconfig on both pc1 & pc2 for their default gateway or dns servers? try ipconfig & ipconfig /all..

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This tells me it still can't resolve names right for some reason as it stands, I pressume it says it can't resolve the name not can't find it all?

I cant remember exactly but think it just said.."Ping request could not find host anthony. Please check the name and try again." I will have a look tommorrow and see what it says.

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So I think you want sp2 on as it adds IPv6 (one of the links refers) & I think that can maintain workgroup & computer names 'better' using tcp/ip, as net bios was originally designed for broadcast on small networks, not the internet. I dunno whether it leaves it behind or not if you remove sp2.

We did install tcp/ipv6 as per your suggestion but as it didnt fix the problem I removed sp2. But I checked the event manager and it still started as a service even though sp2 was removed. So it must stay installed.

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Is there a difference or not if you run ipconfig on both pc1 & pc2 for their default gateway or dns servers? try ipconfig & ipconfig /all..https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2004/12/1.gif

I will do this tommorrow and see what I get.

Thanks heaps...

okay well he read his e-mail so here are the results quicker than we expected.

PC 1 Ipconfig

Windows IP Configuration

Okay that didnt work well. I will try again..

PC 1

ipconfig

Okay not sure whats happening here but will try one more time to post this properly.

PC 1
ipconfig
Windows IP Configuration
Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.2
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : fe80::20c:f1ff:febc:83d%4
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
Tunnel adapter Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 3ffe:831f:4004:1952:0:fbf5:2314:ee9f

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : fe80::5445:5245:444f%5
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : ::
Tunnel adapter Automatic Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : fe80::5efe:192.168.0.2%2
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :

PC 1
ipconfig /all
Windows IP Configuration
Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : anthony
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network Connecti
on
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0C-F1-BC-08-3D
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.2
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : fe80::20c:f1ff:febc:83d%4
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 202.72.191.199
203.10.1.9
192.168.0.1
fec0:0:0:ffff::1%1
fec0:0:0:ffff::2%1
fec0:0:0:ffff::3%1
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, 19 October 2004 6:53:48 PM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Friday, 22 October 2004 6:53:48 PM
Tunnel adapter Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-FB-F5-23-14-EE-9F
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 3ffe:831f:4004:1952:0:fbf5:2314:ee9f

IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : fe80::5445:5245:444f%5
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : ::
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled
Tunnel adapter Automatic Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Automatic Tunneling Pseudo-Interface

Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : C0-A8-00-02
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : fe80::5efe:192.168.0.2%2
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : fec0:0:0:ffff::1%1
fec0:0:0:ffff::2%1
fec0:0:0:ffff::3%1
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled (I noticed this is disabled. perhaps it was due to uninstall of sp2??)

When trying to ping pc1 from pc2 using the name "Ping anthony" we get the following error message.

"Ping request could not find Anthony.Please check the name and try again."

Still waiting for the same from pc2 and will send it through.

What's this "Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface"?

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Originally Posted by hudsonsmith

What's this "Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface"?

Oh they've changed it all with sp2, your guess is as good as mine :D - I've got a few extra services now since adding ipv6, (thats what its to do with, if you open entwork properties you'll see ipv6 as a client) - I've got 4 extra services too, peer name resolution, per networking, peer networking group authentication & peer networking identity manager.

Okay here is the info on PC2. (No sp2 on this one.)

ipconfig
Windows IP Configuration

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Ethernet adapter Wireless Network Connection:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.3
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1

IPCONFIG /ALL

Windows IP Configuration
Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : isabella
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Mixed
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : CNet PRO200WL PCI Fast Ethernet Adap
ter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-08-A1-37-4A-E5
Ethernet adapter Wireless Network Connection:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : NETGEAR WG311v2 802.11g Wireless PCI
Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-09-5B-8F-AA-90
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.3
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 202.72.191.199
203.10.1.9
192.168.0.1
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, 19 October 2004 10:44:22 PM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Friday, 22 October 2004 10:44:22 PM

Okay I have noticed that both computers have the extra dns server entry in there. I never put it in so unless the owner did Im not sure how it got there. The first two entrys match my own computer and we use the same isp.

So I will remove the third entry and enable netbios over tcp/ip or should I choose the default to "use netbios from the dhcp server????"

So I really am a bit confus-ed about this right now,I'll try & check 'better' for you

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Originally Posted by riddellcomp

Okay here is the info on PC2. (No sp2 on this one.)
..So I will remove the third entry and enable netbios over tcp/ip or should I choose the default to "use netbios from the dhcp server????"

So I think thats what is giving you your 'third' dns resolution point, some routers can do this & others can't, so try it NOT applied first (that way it should always go to the ISPs DNS ? & I'm still none the wiser just how sp2 affects all of this - note my comments on extra services {that was for xp pro, I have no copy of xp home, at home :D - I shall rectify that & hopefully these answers will be 'better'}, I only just noticed the differences having had a close look as you kept saying it wasn't working as expected, so forgive me if I'm vague, or start investigating my own 'tangents' !).

I also think we need all the clients on one level playing field sp wise because of ipv4 hadling vs ipv6 handling, please confirm on this ..

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that was for xp pro, I have no copy of xp home, at home :D - I shall rectify that & hopefully these answers will be 'better'

You have lost me there. These pcs are all running XP pro.

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I also think we need all the clients on one level playing field sp wise because of ipv4 hadling vs ipv6 handling, please confirm on this ..https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2004/12/1.gif

Okay we will have to remove IPV6 from PC 1.

The third dns address is the ip of the router. It is probably set automatically - nothing to remove. Besides, if you can surf the net on all 3 pc's, then dns is not your problem.

If that Teredo Tunneling bit is installed as a protocol, I would try removing it. I've got XP SP2 and I don't see that.