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Script kiddies and lamers aside...
Hackers have advanced public knowledge of computers and their operators. True hackers hack only to learn or make something better - "only for good, never for evil."
Hacker is like Kleenex - it's a generic term these days. And that's what's truly too bad...
Kenny P.
I;ve met a lot of people in the industry... And one thing I have learned is that nothing is what it seems... the term "hacker" doesn't fit in my glossary. because it's such a broad term... I think the Webster said that it means "to change"... Well anyways, it always starts out as an innocent thing... I think maybe some people learn about some of the more malicious aspects of -DOS- (denial of service), and maybe the temptation to abuse such power is what throws them looping. It's another one of those catch22 questions... there is no right answer. The only information you could provide could potentially get you in trouble. The reason why there is underground activity is simply because of the "law" portion... It's one of things that, inevitably, you one day will learn how to do. It all depends on how far you are willing to go for X amount of dollars. For some reason everything boils down to some form of politics.
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When they ask you if you have ID, smile and nod :Þ
I agree with you regarding script kiddies but your stance supporting or at least tacitly approving of your friends hacking is simply wrong. What if your friend helped a pedophile erase his criminal record so he could obtain employment in a school or some other facility where he could ply his trade again? Falsifying or erasing records as you describe is a crime and your friend is a criminal not some sort of white knight fighting the "Establishment".
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Trust me, guys, there is a whole lot more money in hacking than any "legit" computer business, if you know what you're doing and have the right connections. I know a guy who has helped people clear their debt, change their identity and even fake their own deaths by wiping all public records of any proof of their existence. He can pretty much name his price for any of these tasks.
Hackers I have no ill toward, as this friend of mine has done me for than a few favors. Script kiddies are a different story, just a bunch of punks, nothing more than hacker wanna-bes.
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Hackers do damage on the net. https://forums.windrivers.com/ They deface websites, crack FTP, etc... they do REALLY BAD DAMAGE... but sometimes helpful ... we are able to know the weakness of our PC's ... im very proud of them
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- Randolph - https://forums.windrivers.com/ https://forums.windrivers.com/
[This message has been edited by Randolph (edited February 09, 2001).]
I can remember as many do the day of the sinclair color computer and programming it to "roll" dice. We have come along way since then and so has the term Hacker, Phreaker, Cracker, and many other terms associated with computers. I spend hours just trying to stay up on the latest information concerning these persons and when, unfortunately, one deems it necessary to violate US Title 18 I get involved. I spend hours lurkink around finding out who is doing what to whom and so forth. As far as I am concerned, the seek for knowlwedge for knowledge sake is what got us to this level of understanding so far. Depends on the persons intent and outcome, for example,
§6.02. Requirement of culpability.
(a) Except as provided in Subsection (b), a person does not commit an offense
unless he intentionally, knowingly, recklessly, or with criminal negligence engages in conduct as the definition of the offense requires.
I spend many hours ensuring your safety from people who would do you harm or to that of your family. If for a second they appear to endanger the welfare or safety of you or your system, the line has been crossed and a new chase has begun.
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Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistingushible from magic - Arthur C Clarke
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Gary Spurger - Cpl
Tech Services / Computer Crimes Division
Harris County Constables, Precinct 4
[This message has been edited by k9fto (edited February 09, 2001).]
Hacker (PreMedia Definition) - One that knows the interworkings of a computer system. As stateded b4 Hackerz hack to enhance computers be it software or hardware.
Cracker (PreMedia Definition) - Hacker gone bad.
Am I a hacker, (By PreMedia Definition) Yes. Do i brake into other computer systems that are not controld by me, thats its not my game.
And back in the day I remember a little game calld SimCity At the end of the manual it had somthing like "And if you still cant get it to work call your local neborhood hacker" i bet you wont see that written in any computer manuals today.
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CRAZY!!! IM NOT CRAZY EVERY ONE ELSE IS!!!
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Evil, plain and simple. The only time that they are not is when they are working for a security company that is paying them to find holes in a network. https://forums.windrivers.com/
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Relaxing in the corporate world!
https://forums.windrivers.com/ As a ex hacker I have mixed feelings about this. Years ago it was just a challenge for me and a fellow tech. We never downloaded any files or noted any information from a site other than how we got there and that we snail mailed to the company we hacked except for govern sites. We did no damage and left no tags. But after reading some of the Bull crap on the govern sites it was tempting. And did you know that dear old Uncle Sam does a lot of hacking on its own? We had a friend in Phoenix that got caught and was given a choice. Hack for Uncle or go to jail. Nice choice! If it wasn't for wide spread hacking we would'nt know just how volurnable how systems are. Lets face it there will always be someone trying to get in and as more and more business is transacted on the net there will be more crooks trying to take advantage. Livermore Weapons Research is constantly tightening their system because hackers showed them just how easy it was, and believe me in the past it was easy not so anymore I hear. And if you are one who thinks it wont or can't happen to you, just wait. As far as those who find the need to destroy files, take down sites or in any way use information for illegal or immoral reasons (including sting operations) should be locked up indefinatly. A lot of good hackers could be making top money working for major business in their security depts.
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If life is a bitch then what is death? I believe I will take the bitch!
In my opinion, hackers/crackers/phreakers etc are categorized in two categories.
Those whose intent is to cause harm intentionally and those who don't have the same intentions.
Unfortunately, some accidentally cause harm because they don't know what they are doing. I categorize them as intentional, because if they don't know what they are doing, they shouldn't have been there in the first place!
Peace!
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Say what?
i fear the dark side not,
the force is strong in me.
Script kiddies are dipshi1s.
I had a kids computer in my shop the other day that belonged to a script kiddie, so I defaced his desktop to let him knw that a true hacker could chew him up and spit hoim out. Not that I am a hacker but hy why not.
Later
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It's a Jeep thing you wouldn't understand.
Here's my option without hackers,little brat without any to do,really wierd people, what ever you chioce to call them. the are a nessecry evil! stop and think how much money you and or your company make a year by what this "HACKERS" do. yes it would be nice not to have to worry about it. some of the better computer guys i know all were hackers in there younger days. so maybe some of you guys started in the computer field as hackers?? are they all that bad? please don't get me wrong i am not stucking up for them i feel hacking in any shape or form is dead wrong. but this is part of life, and it go's on and on. https://forums.windrivers.com/
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what will go wrong today???? never mind going back to bed
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I prefer hackers to virus coders!
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I must apologise I was trying to put my thought into words before and lost my internal dictionary and what was to be an opinion on hackers that should have been slightly different turned into a ramble. Now for the new revised opinion:
"Hackers solve problems and build things, and they must believe in freedom and voluntary mutual help."
"There is another group that calls themselves 'Hackers', but aren't. These are people (mainly adolescent males) who get a kick out of breaking into computers and phreaking the phone system. Real hackers call these people 'crackers' and want nothing to do with them. Real hackers mostly think crackers are lazy, irresponsible, and not very bright, and object that being able to break security doesn't make you a hacker and more than being able to hotwire cars makes you an automotive engineer. Unfortunately, many journalists and writers have been fooled into using the word 'hacker' to describe crackers; this irritates real hackers to no end." - taken from "How to be a Hacker" by Eric Steven Raymond (www.tuxedo.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html)
The above passage accurately summs up my opinion. Thanks
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Death is lighter than a feather - duty heavier than a mountian.