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Real men don't drink tea... :eek2:
So mister "man's man", what do they drink? https://forums.windrivers.com/Quote:
Originally Posted by Ya_know
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Napalm. But you got to stir it for a real long time... :flame:Quote:
Originally Posted by TripleRLtd
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Originally Posted by Coaster Creator
Are you telling me you have a worse public transport service than the UK? Jeepers you got it bad! Where I live there are two buses a day, one at 0700, the other at 1915. To get to a place 13 miles up the road, you have to take the 0700 bus in a completely opposite direction for 15 miles, then catch a bus heading back to another town where you change to get to your final destination.
Total trip time - 2hrs 35 minutes to go 13 miles.... and the tree-huggers want me to stop using my car.... :rolleyes:
I haven't yet figured out a bus route that will get me the 7 miles to where I work.
I like it with the flame on top :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Ya_know
You should try Northwest Psylly Tea. Made from only the finest NW schrooms!https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2006/04/1.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Ya_know
Dunno about routes, cuz where I live (a suburb), the busses don't even go...(and its only about 5 miles out of the city) :sad: I believe if you are right in town then yes there's alot of options for routes and times and such...but if you live in a suburb (which you can't really tell where one ends and next begins) theres nothing there for public transportation. There are also no types of trains or anything other than busses here at all. So no matter what, I'd still have to get in my car and drive to find the public transportation, then it still wouldn't go to where I work, unless I worked downtown...so if I'm gonna get in my car and drive, may as well just keep goin! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by corturbra
Ain't that the truth! Do you have Park and Ride setups?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coaster Creator
Over here you can drive to the outskirts of the town, park up (pay to park) and then get a bus in to town (total cost £2.40 for parking and bus).
But like you say if you're driving.... ;)
First we would have to stop exporting most of the Alaskan oil to Japan (very little stays here domestically & and less even still in Alaska). Then we'll have to get us a pipeline down to the Lower 48. Now the Canadians have got one a started so we can tie into theirs. Since the Canadian oil field is just on the other side of the caribou herd from the North Slope oil fields we could "all" tie in there (both oil and natural gas) and the product would travel through the Yukon & BC to Vancouver. At Vancouver the Canadians will keep their share and the rest would be sent down to the Port of Sea-Tac. Then what I forsee happening is Exxon-Mobile US will accuse Esso-Mobile Canada of bogarting more than their share of the oil. BP Alaska will accuse BP Canada of "watering" down their product before the interface with the trans Alaska-Canadian Pipeline. Conoco-Phillips will be pi$$ed because their natural gas finds will be on the far west side of the Brooks Range and they will have to construct a seperate pipeline over the Brooks and down to Kotzebue or Nome ergo making their product more costly. Conoco will immediately demand tax breaks from the State of Alaska and the Feds which will inturn into a huge entitlement program. Tiring of all the conflict the States of Washington and Alaska declare war on the Yukon and British Columbia. In what is commonly referred to as the War of the Hosers the cities of Skagway, Kimberly and Walla Walla are attacked but barely damaged by strategically placed French Toast and backbacon. Finally the federal gov't's of Canada & the US step in and a treaty is brokered by LaBlatts and Coors. The UN sends a Peacekeeping Force of personnel from Bangladesh, Honduras, Guatamala and Andorra wher upon arrival to the US & Canada they all disband and get jobs in the hotel/restaurant and convenience store industries (well actually the Andorrans hang out in Seattle coffee houses). When all is said and done the status quo still remains. https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by meatwad
Hmmm. Why not just annex British Columbia and the Yukon and be done with it?
When I was a kid they tried something like that in the town I grew up, but I don't think you had to pay for parking.....it didn't last long.....Quote:
Originally Posted by corturbra
My dad pays $100/month to take the bus 30miles into where he works (at a government repair facility). After 90 days, he gets a check for $300 from the government. Total commute cost to him = $0.00. I drive two miles more than him, alone, and have to pay for the gas both directions. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Coaster Creator
Me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by TripleRLtd
In the last two days, I've spent about $250 on gear so I can save money by not using the car. :confused:
Actually domestic suppliers charge whatever the world wide price per barrel is. (though we save a couple of pennies on transportation).Quote:
Why don't we get the Major to send us down more oil from Alaska and buy less from overseas. The way I understand it, they've jacked up their prices per barrel so we've jacked up our prices per gallon. If we got more of our oil from home, one would think we could get it cheaper.
America uses 20 million barrels a day. 8 million is produced in the USA. Oil has gone from about 25 per barrel to about 41 per barrel. The cost of extracting and moving the oil stays the same. So 8 million barrels a day means an increase of 128 million dollars in PURE profit per DAY for the oil companies. So if oil stays at 41 per barrel the American producers will make an additonal 48 Billion (billion with a B) in profits above what they would have made.
Without lifting a finger, 48 billion more in profits.
About 2 weeks ago the oil companies were given a 30 Billion dollar tax break.(on top of their increased profit)
George Bush sr. made his money in oil. His son Bush the Jr.ran some oil companies (into the ground, actually). Bush becomes President. The price of oil skyrockets.
Coincidence?
HAH!
Hmmm...as somebody who has worked in the mineral extraction industry for 23 years now I see some flaws in your analogy of $25 a gallon vs. $41 a gallon and the "profits".
But being it's Tuesday (which is my Friday - I go home for 10 days tomorrow) and I've been hammering out TRI #'s all day, which has transformed me into a grouchy bastage, I ain't going to tell ya what they are! https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gifhttps://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif
HA! Have a good "weekend" Major. Keep up that great imagination you have. Loved the war story.https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2006/04/1.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Major Kong
"You've no doubt received the idiotic, stupid e-mail declaring that today is the day everyone should boycott the oil companies because of high prices. What idiotic nonsense. This is what passes for logical, informed thought in the United States right now. "Yippee! Let's stage a boycott!" Yeah...that will really stick it to the man! Not. What you don't buy today, you'll just buy tomorrow. That's not much of a boycott, is it? Besides, boycotts don't work. The majority of people don't care, or have time to bother. They go about their business, buy their gas, don't whine and prefer to worry about things they can actually control.
First of all ... get over this "record price" nonsense. Once again the media is screaming "record gas prices" to anyone who will read, view or listen. You cannot put forth a legitimate comparison of gasoline prices over the years unless you adjust those prices for inflation. When you do adjust gas prices for inflation you will find that the end of the Carter administration Americans were paying an average of $2.91 per gallon for gasoline. You won't hear this reported on ABC, CBS, NBC or CNN. You did hear this reported last night on Fox News Channel. That's why the left hates Fox News.
Sure...oil is up to over $40 a barrel..but guess what? Your SUV doesn't run on crude oil, does it? Nope. That oil has to be refined, and we haven't built a new refinery in the United States since 1976. What's more, some of the refineries we do have are shutting down because they simply cannot afford to meet some of the new environmental standards we've created. What about building new refineries? Yeah ... try to get that by the anti-capitalist, environmentalist socialists. Oil companies are left to simply trying to increase the capacity of the refineries they do have.
Speaking of the environmentalists ... don't forget the special anti-pollution blends the refineries are having to put out for the summer months. This means that they have to stop production while they shift to the new blends. This adds to the supply difficulties.
Then there's China. China's economy is growing like a field of weeds. The are demanding a greater and greater share of the world's supplies of crude oil. Greater demand + limited supply = higher prices.
You could always move to Europe, where gas runs over $5 a gallon. "
Neal Boortz's Wednesday column.....
Driving to work today, I observed that all the gas stations had people lined up getting gas. :eek2:
I yelled out to them, "Quit gassing up on boycott Wednesday. You're going to ruin it for the rest of us! What are you communist!!!"
I now have to wash the Slurppy off of my hood... :sad:
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WHy does that not surprise me? :thumbs:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ya_know
The flaw in that reasoning is that crude oil has gone from 25 to 41 dollars a gallon. Price increases due to environmental restrictions on production are real but if you look at the price of gas it has gone up almost the same percentage as the price of oil.Quote:
What's more, some of the refineries we do have are shutting down because they simply cannot afford to meet some of the new environmental standards we've created.
The shortages last year due to lack of capacity for the special formulas has not happened this year. The gasoline producers were caught short (they say) last year due to insufficient time to implement the new standards. Some say they intentionally waited so that they could create the shortage so they could create higher prices, therefore more profit.
Funny how at 2 dollars per gallon their is no shortage this year.
As to Major Kongs assertion the profits of oil companies are not as great as I showed I am looking forward to reasons why.
What exactly do you pay for petrol at the bowser in the US?
Over here I am currently paying around $1.14 Aus per litre.
1 Gallon = 3.785 litres = $4.31 Aust per gallon or $3.00 US per gallon.
Admittedly fuels a bit higher where I live as I am in a remote area but its not that much cheaper in the citys either. How does what we pay here in Aust compare with what you pay in the US?
Well, my Camero runs on $2.51 a gallon 92 octane fuel.Quote:
Originally Posted by riddellcomp
Thats' without adding in the octane booster I use on the days I want to have a little more fun on! https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by jitBob
Does she keep your motor clean?Quote:
Originally Posted by jitBob
I don't think we have a bowser in the US. I am curious as to what that is...Quote:
Originally Posted by riddellcomp
I told ya I am a grumpy bastage and I ain't a tellin' ya!https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by techs
There is no doubt that the oil companies are making a profit...not that there is anything wrong with that. That's what they are in business for. I for one do not have a problem with a company making a profit. Heck far up here our PFD is based on oil prices & I own some Exxon-Mobile and Phillips Conoco stock it just means more for me! https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2006/04/1.gif Of course I then have to pay more at the pump, but we only fill up about once every 2 weeks and we will see a increase in our power bill come this fall, and transportation cost for goods will be reflected at the cash register, so then I have to pay more back to the man. That's how things work and I can live with it quite easily. This is not a socio-economics discussion it's just me and how it affects my little slice of heaven.
Now as to the reasons. I'll just give a couple. How many active oil wells are operating at a profit at $25 a barrel? I can tell ya it's not as many as you think. Those wells that operating at a loss are off-set by the lower cost producing wells. Why does a company keep in operation a non profitable well? Because sometimes it's just cheaper to keep one running than to shut it down or moth ball it. The start up cost are staggering and the full shutdown cost even more so. It is not unusual in the industry I work in to keep facilities operating in the red until a "boom" time. I've seen facilities kept open at a loss or right at margin for 8-10 years. This does have an effect on the profit margin, but not much, maybe a billion $. But if factored over several years it does get much more expensive.
The second one:
Now pardon me for asking but what genius gave you that missive? That sounds like something from the School of D'OH. In October of 2003 we set our budget @ $28 a barrel for operating cost. We knew OP were going to rise, but we used the 5 year average and tacked on a little more. Oy now we are looking at $40 a barrel and we undershot by at least $12 a barrel. Our loss at one facility by absorbing the extra cost is $5 million from just 1 facility. It takes power to pull that Texas tea out of the ground, even if we are generating our own power the Bunker C or Diesel fuel we buy cost us more, it's one of those pesky bean counter things. Plus the men and women who take care of the fields have to be taken care of. The great majority of mineral extracting jobs are remote, so the cost of billeting rises. Now it's true that pipeline charges are more or less static, but the transportation charges via road, rail or sea also rise and those charges are passed on. Shipping, rail and trucking companies have that art down to a science.Quote:
The cost of extracting and moving the oil stays the same.
That cuts into the profit too. I would say that the $48 B profit you quote is probably off ~20%, still $39 B isn't chump change.
Then the most important thing you forgot is all the shoulder patting and back slapping the CEO's, CFO's, Executive VP's and VP's will be getting for turning such a profit, so you can count on $40 B in bonuses being paid and the bean counters will actually show a loss for the year and then the companies will want more tax breaks.https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif
So ya see techs you just didn't fully think things out. https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif
Why would we buy from Bowser? That bastard stole the princess!! :devil:Quote:
Originally Posted by riddellcomp
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by TripleRLtd
You want "clean" AND an octane boost?
Add 1 gallon of toluene for every 4 gallons of gas. If you're using 92-93 octane gas to start, the octane rating climbs up as high as 98.
I use this in the plane's engines every so often; good air milage, cylinder head temp's are noticably lower, carbs don't need to be cleaned as often.
I've just boycoted the boycot, my tank was almost empty anyway...
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Thats weird because we dont have a gas pump in Australia either.https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2007/09/1.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Ya_know
Fuel or petrol Bowser = Gas pump
All right! Now I have your credit card number, and your name. All I need to order some robot parts...my girl robot... :pQuote:
Originally Posted by CeeBee
I could point out some flaws in your reasoning too. but if you are saying they will only get a 39 Billion dollar increased profit instead of 48 Billion, well, what the heck whats a few Billion among friends.Quote:
I would say that the $48 B profit you quote is probably off ~20%, still $39 B isn't chump change
I don't begrudge a company a profit. And the oil companies were making a pretty decent one at 25 per barrel. But an additional 39 Billion sounds enormous.
Especially when they won't put that money into exploration. Since oil prices are volatile it would take some time at the high prices until they would risk developing fields that might make profit at say 30 per barrel.
But 39 Billion in additional PROFIT?
My original contention is if the price of oil could be assured of staying above a certain amount than alternative fuels, which would be profitable at todays prices would finally be developed. They are not because no companies will put the billions into development at the risk of oil dropping below the point where the new plants would profitable.
Would you pay 50 per barrel if it meant energy independence and a stable supply? Bear in mind that at 50 per barrel we might even start seeing more innovative energy efficiencies developed that might put the actual cost of driving, heating etc lower.
I got a question for you Techs, should we vote Kerry into office so that he can squander away our national reserve for a brief price relief, in hopes that it will "scare" the big oil companies to make some effort at lowering the prices?
I tell ya, Kerry scares me so much with the crap he wants to do. Pull troops out of Iraq, invade the national reserve, no position on gay marriage, and I am sure that there are a ton of things I am forgetting...But just that one question for now techs…
To the first part of your post. Don't you think that now is very dangerous time in our economic recovery for the price of an essential good to skyrocket? I don't know about you, but I am very tired of the last three years of economic disarray.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ya_know
Economic disarray...we are making a comeback, or didn’t you notice? And even as worse as it was over the past 3+ years, then and now, it is not the time to deplete from the reserve. Every President to date would agree to that, Kerry is blowing smoke to try to make Americans “feel good” about him, yet this makes him a serious threat to our national security!!! It isn't about saving you some money at the pump, or making pizza and flower deliveries cheaper, it's an emergency storage for the security of this nation, should it ever really hit the fan! There have to be other ways to lower the costs, and if there aren't any, we just need to live with it! We are not in economic hard times!Quote:
Originally Posted by jitBob
WTF is that supposed to mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ya_know
Did someone say Pizza Delivery?https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Ya_know
Ahh, but the reserve has been drawn down in the past. Not too distant past. Making a comeback is not the same thing as full economic recovery. There are still far too many people out of work and in many places for far too long to climb out of the hole for many years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ya_know
You have me confused. One day you say you don't support Bush and the next you appear to support him. What gives?
What is what supposed to mean??? Are you trying to change words in my posts again??? :p I typed it right, you read it wrong... :butt:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleetus