Speed Limits + Safety ... Ya right

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Originally Posted by Escape_Driver

Then how come German AutoBahns have less deaths per million miles ??

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I listed many possible contributing factors that you still haven't addressed, any of which could have a huge impact as compared to speed. Hell, I could make a grand case that SUVs and light trucks cause the majority of the fatalities that make up the gap between the autobahn and interstates. Autobahn to interstate is not an apples to apples comparison by any realistic measure.

By the way, you never did address the weakness in that statistic. The comparison was the German autobahn to Nevada roads. The study never specifically states interstates, it merely says roads. Not really a great comparison.

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Originally Posted by jaeger

Unless it ran on a Microsoft product. That would give systems crash a whole new meaning.

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I think we'll use Linux for this one. Also, I want a flying car. That would be way cool. Yeah, flying.

From what I can tell he is just whining cause he actually has to follow the law and can't drive as fast as he wants to, damned be the others on the road or trying to have some osrt of order in our society

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Originally Posted by Cleetus

From what I can tell he is just whining cause he actually has to follow the law and can't drive as fast as he wants to, damned be the others on the road or trying to have some osrt of order in our society

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But don't you want a flying "smart" car ? I read about them on the net.

http://www.moller.com/skycar/

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Originally Posted by edball

But don't you want a flying "smart" car ? I read about them on the net.

http://www.moller.com/skycar/

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I want a flying time travelling DeLorean. But then the speed limits would have to be increased to 88mph

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Originally Posted by meatwad

I want a flying time travelling DeLorean. But then the speed limits would have to be increased to 88mph

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That would be way cooler. Be careful though, if you traveled back to the mid-70's the speed limit would be 55.https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif

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Originally Posted by edball

I think we'll use Linux for this one. Also, I want a flying car. That would be way cool. Yeah, flying.

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Ah, so instead of crashing, you'll have to recompile your kernel while stopped in traffic the first time you try to use the windshield wipers. Nifty.

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Originally Posted by Cleetus

From what I can tell he is just whining cause he actually has to follow the law and can't drive as fast as he wants to, damned be the others on the road or trying to have some osrt of order in our society

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No what bothers me is goverment telling me that it sets a speed limit to make every one safe.... It has nothing to do with safety.... It's about another form of Taxes.... Was a 55MPH speed limit brought in for safety no

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Originally Posted by Escape_Driver

No what bothers me is goverment telling me that it sets a speed limit to make every one safe.... It has nothing to do with safety.... It's about another form of Taxes.... Was a 55MPH speed limit brought in for safety no

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Alright. So what's the solution?

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Originally Posted by Escape_Driver

No what bothers me is goverment telling me that it sets a speed limit to make every one safe.... It has nothing to do with safety.... It's about another form of Taxes.... Was a 55MPH speed limit brought in for safety no

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Uhm, there was a 55 mph limit because there was an oil crisis. At speeds over 55 mph, fuel efficiency tends to drop quite a bit.

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Originally Posted by meatwad

Alright. So what's the solution?

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Better driver training and retesting every 10 years...

How about ticketing people who sit in the left lane.. Or drive while distracted (Eating or Talking On Cell phone)...

How about daytime running lights they have been proven to make driving safer why not use them ???

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Originally Posted by jaeger

Uhm, there was a 55 mph limit because there was an oil crisis. At speeds over 55 mph, fuel efficiency tends to drop quite a bit.

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I know what i'm saying is that 55 had nothing to do with safety. It had every thing to do with saving Oil...

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Originally Posted by Escape_Driver

I know what i'm saying is that 55 had nothing to do with safety. It had every thing to do with saving Oil...

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In an oil crisis, thats a prudent step.

Why do you continue to avoid addressing my questions and statements? Too lazy to actually check facts and find sources? Would rather just crap the theory out there and let it fly like a turd flung from a hanglider, splating wherever it may and annoying the pedestrians?

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Originally Posted by Escape_Driver

And your an Expert ???

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Just after high school I worked as a grunt/detailer in several body shops, and cleaned blood out of more than one car. My father was an auto damager appraiser, and frequently brought home pictures of total losses, even took me to a few yards to see the wrecks the shops never see...He told me the break downs from the police reports and from his experience what happened...how the bodies were mangled wasn't always the subject, but occasionally he told me those stories too, but everything was factored to determine a relative speed of the collision. Doesn't make me an expert, just makes me a bit more of a realist. It is a commonly known fact in the industry that the high-speed wrecks are the worst overall, why is it that you can’t see this fact and accept that you’re perception is out of whack?

Here is where you keep making your position sound so foolish. You seem to think that getting somewhere at 80, 90, or 100 mph should be an option, regardless of the risk level to others on the road—an acceptable risk level that I won’t accept. That’s why I took after you about you’re age, because you come off like some punk kid.

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Originally Posted by meatwad

Passing on the right is illegal here too, but people whine that cops are pulling them over for "stupid reasons" when they get caught.

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That's true. I guess German drivers are more mindful of their rules.

Simple physics. The faster you are travelling, the further your travel during that split second your brain tells you to react to something.

A driver going 55 mph who sees a deer run out in front of his/her car 100 yards ahead will be able to react faster than a driver who is going 85 mph.

And speaking of deer, all of the good driving in the world wont save you from EVERY variable out there that can cause accidents. How fast you are going is a major factor included in the accident reports and is often one of the first few questions asked. It is also something the insurance companies want to know when you file a claim.

OK, lets get a few things straight here escape_driver.

1. Hellooooo there are speed limits on the German autobahns. 130kmh (around 80 mph) This goes down to 80 or lower on bends. I lived there from 1996 to 1998. There were a very few sections where there were no standard limits. BUT limits applied in poor weather.

2. Drivers cannot apply to learn until they are 18

3. Killing someone with a car in Germany means you never can afford insurance again.

4. Germans obey authority. You are driving with your fog lights on. It must therefore be foggy. You cannot therefore drive at more than 20 KPH. If you do, you are speeding during hazardous conditions. Same goes for ice, wind, rain.

5. You are not allowed to change lanes suddenly at an intersection.

6. Intersections are not wide and sweeping, they are narrow and tightly curved. Everyone knows it, so they let people out, they slow down at intersections.

7. Just because you have been driving since you were 7 does not make you the worlds greatest driver. However, you have had 9 more years experience than the average american when they take daddy's car out for its first teen crash.

8. You are right, training helps enormously, but it is not applied in the American continent, or in Britain the way it is in Germany.

9. The reason YOU are not a safe driver is because you think everyone else is. The major aspect of safe driving is giving other people room to make their mistakes, that means driving at a speed at which you can stop before hitting the car in front.

10. Do you apply the same logic to Highways as to residential areas? Is 30mph too slow for you? It's too fast for me. At 40 mph EVERY child is killed. At 30 MPH 50% survive. At 20 Mph 99% survive.

Could you live with yourself having killed a kid knowing that 10mph less speed on your part would have allowed the child to make a mistake and survive?

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Originally Posted by NooNoo

OK, lets get a few things straight here escape_driver.

1. Hellooooo there are speed limits on the German autobahns. 130kmh (around 80 mph) This goes down to 80 or lower on bends. I lived there from 1996 to 1998. There were a very few sections where there were no standard limits. BUT limits applied in poor weather.

2. Drivers cannot apply to learn until they are 18

3. Killing someone with a car in Germany means you never can afford insurance again.

4. Germans obey authority. You are driving with your fog lights on. It must therefore be foggy. You cannot therefore drive at more than 20 KPH. If you do, you are speeding during hazardous conditions. Same goes for ice, wind, rain.

5. You are not allowed to change lanes suddenly at an intersection.

6. Intersections are not wide and sweeping, they are narrow and tightly curved. Everyone knows it, so they let people out, they slow down at intersections.

7. Just because you have been driving since you were 7 does not make you the worlds greatest driver. However, you have had 9 more years experience than the average american when they take daddy's car out for its first teen crash.

8. You are right, training helps enormously, but it is not applied in the American continent, or in Britain the way it is in Germany.

9. The reason YOU are not a safe driver is because you think everyone else is. The major aspect of safe driving is giving other people room to make their mistakes, that means driving at a speed at which you can stop before hitting the car in front.

10. Do you apply the same logic to Highways as to residential areas? Is 30mph too slow for you? It's too fast for me. At 40 mph EVERY child is killed. At 30 MPH 50% survive. At 20 Mph 99% survive.

Could you live with yourself having killed a kid knowing that 10mph less speed on your part would have allowed the child to make a mistake and survive?

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(1) First Yes there should be limits on many sections of Hwy Near towns, Citys and on city streets...

(2) Whats wrong with this nothing I know when I was 16 I was not a good driver and I don't think I met one who is.

(3) Depending on how it happened Whats wrong with banning some from for life. Sorry a DUI your gone no more driving for you

(4)What wrong with following the rules and driving for the conditions

(5)Same as above

(6)So they are better trained drivers (THIS MAKE THINGS SAFER)

(7)So all you can do is personally attack me .... I have taken driver training in accident avoidance and Poor weather driving... I do leave a great deal of distance between me and the next driver... And just slaming on ones breaks is not the best way to avoid an accident driving around (If possable) is a far better way. But if you can't steer around there is no way you are going to break in time.

(8) YES YES YES Training Training Training

(9) Once again with the personal .... I know that other people on the road are bad drivers. I know I don't even think. But will making every one drive 55 MPH make them better drivers ??? No ... Once again Training will.... Lets make roads safe because the drivers are.

(10)If you noticed I said INTERSTATE not streets. Speed in citys, towns should be low. But on a multi lane highway why 55 or 65 most people don't drive this slow so why is the limit set there ???

Now I have a question for all of you.. Do you not think that too many police officers are used to track down speeders ???

ACtually I find the major problems are the people who are either going to fast or too slow... like the old woman pulls out on the highway as soon as she gets on the ramp at 65kmph when she has another 200m to pick up speed and match everyone doing 110kmph... those are half of the problems... the other are the idiots who go to fast... if everyone did 110 or there abouts (+or- 10) then there wouldn't be much except for the exploding tires and various other uncontrolable hazards...
I'll relate a story about speed I had not but maybe 4 months ago. I was leaving work just after dusk and I commute down country roads because at the time is was pouring rain down quite heavy and the highway is really crappy with that much rain pouring down. I got to the old Highway 21 which I know fairly well, all the potholes, curves and dips. The posted speed limit is 80kmph and I was doing my normal 100kmph (Which is not excessive normally on this road even in rain). It starts to get quite dark and I have my lights on. Up ahead of me I saw two lights flashing and immediate thought it was a transport truck stopped on the side of the road (and it was)... because of this I felt the need to slow down, just in case he's standing beside his truck or something may happen. so I reduce to the posted 80kmph and I'm approaching a intersection of which the truck is just past say 100m. I don't know how I saw it, maybe it was the light shining off the broken glass (it was still pouring rain). But there was a black vehicle of some sort strewn mostly in my lane. FRom the quick glance I assumed the transport mauled the "car" and tore the front end off and despoitied it elsewhere as I didn't see it at the time. Finally realizing WTF it was I glanced up the road in the opposite lane and didn't see any lights so still having my wits about me I prayed there wasn't a moron without his lights on in this rain or dark and swerved into the opposing lane of traffic to avoid the wreck and something scrapped out the side of my truck. I had just barely missed the wreck, if I hadn't have returned to the posted speed limit I would have most likely been killed. Or perhaps taken out some of the the people rushing to the car across their lawns... so yeah... speed is dangerous...pouring rain or not... I'm just lucky I was trained by Young Drivers... they taught me the technique I used to get out of there... otherwise I would most likely have slammed on my brakes and not survived... the driver of the black car survived and was watching helplessly as I kept getting closer... I would have killed him for sure... scary thoughts if you ask me...

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Originally Posted by arch0nmyc0n

ACtually I find the major problems are the people who are either going to fast or too slow... like the old woman pulls out on the highway as soon as she gets on the ramp at 65kmph when she has another 200m to pick up speed and match everyone doing 110kmph... those are half of the problems... the other are the idiots who go to fast... if everyone did 110 or there abouts (+or- 10) then there wouldn't be much except for the exploding tires and various other uncontrolable hazards...
I'll relate a story about speed I had not but maybe 4 months ago. I was leaving work just after dusk and I commute down country roads because at the time is was pouring rain down quite heavy and the highway is really crappy with that much rain pouring down. I got to the old Highway 21 which I know fairly well, all the potholes, curves and dips. The posted speed limit is 80kmph and I was doing my normal 100kmph (Which is not excessive normally on this road even in rain). It starts to get quite dark and I have my lights on. Up ahead of me I saw two lights flashing and immediate thought it was a transport truck stopped on the side of the road (and it was)... because of this I felt the need to slow down, just in case he's standing beside his truck or something may happen. so I reduce to the posted 80kmph and I'm approaching a intersection of which the truck is just past say 100m. I don't know how I saw it, maybe it was the light shining off the broken glass (it was still pouring rain). But there was a black vehicle of some sort strewn mostly in my lane. FRom the quick glance I assumed the transport mauled the "car" and tore the front end off and despoitied it elsewhere as I didn't see it at the time. Finally realizing WTF it was I glanced up the road in the opposite lane and didn't see any lights so still having my wits about me I prayed there wasn't a moron without his lights on in this rain or dark and swerved into the opposing lane of traffic to avoid the wreck and something scrapped out the side of my truck. I had just barely missed the wreck, if I hadn't have returned to the posted speed limit I would have most likely been killed. Or perhaps taken out some of the the people rushing to the car across their lawns... so yeah... speed is dangerous...pouring rain or not... I'm just lucky I was trained by Young Drivers... they taught me the technique I used to get out of there... otherwise I would most likely have slammed on my brakes and not survived... the driver of the black car survived and was watching helplessly as I kept getting closer... I would have killed him for sure... scary thoughts if you ask me...

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Training makes things safer.... But Dusk is the worst time to speed and in the rain ???

But if everyone travels at 100 in an 80 Zone Why is the limit 80...

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Originally Posted by Escape_Driver

Training makes things safer.... But Dusk is the worst time to speed and in the rain ???

But if everyone travels at 100 in an 80 Zone Why is the limit 80...

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That is the fricking basis of your arguement? THAT IS ALL!?! Goddammit, you have no point. None whatsoever. This is the same retarded logic that can be used to decriminalize anything. Murder, rape, assault, burglary, whatever.

With Noo's facts, you have nothing backing up your viewpoint that no speed limits is a good idea. Zero. Zilch. Your answer is that if everyone was forced into more extensive training, we could compensate for the lower safety at higher speeds. That is real smart. First you complain that speed limits are essentially a hidden tax and then you want to force drivers to attend training programs that are sure as hell going to cost money. Do you even know what you are arguing for anymore? Is it that certain sections of interstates could benefit from no speed limits? Congratulations, you just spent more money, because the engineering survey to examine the interstate system to determine good no limit zones isn't going to be free.

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Originally Posted by Escape_Driver

Training makes things safer.... But Dusk is the worst time to speed and in the rain ???

But if everyone travels at 100 in an 80 Zone Why is the limit 80...

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well as I said if everyone just went the same speed it wouldn't be much of a problem... except when something like what happened to me. After dusk and rain, yeah speeding isn't really a good idea... and I realize I should have slowed down... funny thing was, two cars past me a ways before the accident, I guess 100 in an 80 was to slow for them... and as for the speed limit being 80, I think a lot of it is psychological than anything else... the general concensus of a lot of my friends and other drivers around here is that the law is you must be doing 15 over the speed limit to get any points off of your license and a cop wouldn't bother with such a miniscule fine... I once got caught doing 116 in a 60... 4 more kmph and I woulda had my license taken away from me... this was just after I started college The cop came up to my truck and got the usual liceense and registration... he glanced the interior of my truck and I guess he noticed my parking pass for the college and he asked if I was a college student... I said yes... he smiled and asked "Do you have any money?"... I smiled back and said "what do you think officer?" He smiled more and went back to his car... he knocked the ticket down to 75 in a 60 and it was around a $50 ticket (which would tap me but I could afford it), the original ticket would have been around $400... I happened to be going by the court building so I went in to pay the ticket right away figuring I'd better pay now before I spend the money at the bar or something and they gave the the "fastest payment of a ticket" award. 15 minutes. ANYWAYS... I used that story to illustrate in it's most severe form, the leaniancy the police will give on tickets... so 20kmph over the speed limit isn't something I'd see them bothering with unless it's a boring day... so to bottleneck all the babling i've done... it's all psychological, tell them they can tdoo 100 and expect 120... tell them they can do 80 and they do 100... so whatever the road and traffic is capable of minus 20kmph offa the estimate and there's your speed limit...

PS... thanks for the info on the Autobahn Noo... I was wondering about that...

Personal Attack ? I was attacking your ATTITUDE. You method of thinking, your self confessed uber training that gives you confidence.

I did not call you names, point out your physical defects or call into question your iq. Those are personal attacks.

But you missed the point, the best drivers (read racing drivers) in the world have accidents. Why? because OTHER people are not always good drivers. You should not rely on your ability to drive yourself out of the problem. The point is you MUST rely on the other guy to CAUSE the problem. That is what makes a good driver, one who drives knowing that the primary cause of an accident is over confidence in one's own ability and lack of allowance for another's ability.

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Originally Posted by Escape_Driver

But if everyone travels at 100 in an 80 Zone Why is the limit 80...

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What if they change it to 100 , will people still go 100 or will they go 120 ?
I've watched and ride'n with people that no matter what was the posted limit (from 5mph to whatever) they also seemed to add 10 to 20mph to it , I've heard many excuse's including here of ;
I was running late for (whatever) , ( so that gives you the right to increase everyone else's risk of a accident )
I want to get there in a hurry and be done with it (my question always is - if driving is such a pain , why drive ? )
I'm a good or great driver {which may include 'and I've taken' -Driver's courses , Driver's training and so on} , (most training and such is based on the given speed limit on the street-road ,surface conditions and weather , not so you can drive however you want - but to you a better chance of not being in a accident ) .
also if speed limit laws and rules shouldn't apply to you or others like you then other rules and laws shouldn't either , I mean all laws , everyone would have the freedom to speed , take what they wanted , kill who they felt like , so on .
And you can't compare Highways from one country to another , it's tough to compare traffic from one city to another because one may have more big truck traffic or bus's or were the people live and where thier work may be and shopping .
As someone may have said if you's don't like to rules or laws work on getting them change or ya'll don't like it leave .

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When I took the Defensive Driving Course here in Alaska in conjunction with my employment at the time, the first thing the instructor asked the class was "Does anyone here have a one sentence definition of defensive driving?"

Mine was "Never trust anyone the other side of the windshield".

His was "Never assume that another driver will do the right thing".

He uses both now, and so do I.

Just as some end users do really stupid things to computers, some people do really stupid things behind the wheel.

Those laws are there to protect us from those people.

I, for one, do not wish to be one of them. So I obey traffic laws, even though I can cite an "arbitrary" speed limit change locally.

There is a road that used to be 50mph here, and it was 2 lanes. Last year, it was widened to 4 lanes, and the speed limit was lowered to 40mph. Now I am unsure who is responsible for setting that limit, but they did so, and I drive 40mph there now.

Citizenship carries responsibility.

good point Noo.... how many people here actually trust indicators?

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Originally Posted by arch0nmyc0n

good point Noo.... how many people here actually trust indicators?

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In Florida? You must be bloody joking! :D

Thank god we're out of season now and all the snow birds have pissed off back up north. I personally believe that the clicking noise that indicator lights make should get progressively louder in cars where the owner is over 65 :thumbs:

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Originally Posted by Titchski

In Florida? You must be bloody joking! :D

Thank god we're out of season now and all the snow birds have pissed off back up north. I personally believe that the clicking noise that indicator lights make should get progressively louder in cars where the owner is over 65 :thumbs:

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Amen. My father started missing the turn signal clicking about two years ago (to be fair, his truck has no AC so he drives around with the windows down). There needs to be driving tests yearly for the over 65 crowd. For instance, my grandmother has no night vision, has had at least one stroke, possibly two, and still has her license.

To quote Chief Wiggum from the Simpsons: "It's ironic that the old people are kept alive by the organs of the young people they run over."

Back and ready for more.

So by your logic we should give a licences to every one and no not can drive over 20 MPH...

Sorry but there are many Rural sections of Interstate Highway that should have the speed limits opened up. 85th Percentile Speed Limits: Numerical speed limits based on a scientific survey of free flowing vehicle speeds. The speed at which 85 percent of the vehicles are traveling at, or below, is the 85th percentile speed. This makes more sense to me.


And before you say it NOT SCHOOL ZONES, in citys or towns or areas where it presents a danger...

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Originally Posted by Escape_Driver

Back and ready for more.

So by your logic we should give a licences to every one and no not can drive over 20 MPH...

Sorry but there are many Rural sections of Interstate Highway that should have the speed limits opened up. 85th Percentile Speed Limits: Numerical speed limits based on a scientific survey of free flowing vehicle speeds. The speed at which 85 percent of the vehicles are traveling at, or below, is the 85th percentile speed. This makes more sense to me.

And before you say it NOT SCHOOL ZONES, in citys or towns or areas where it presents a danger...

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So to remove the hidden tax of speed limits, you are proposing expensive and widespread surveys of large amounts of rural interstate? Yeah, I'm just fine with going 75 if thats the option.

P.S I'm not trying to get every one angry here.. I'm looking for a good discusion of facts and opinion.. I think this is one of the best lounge threads I have seen in a while..

So. Don't get angry just post your ideas and coments :) :thumbs:

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Originally Posted by jaeger

So to remove the hidden tax of speed limits, you are proposing expensive and widespread surveys of large amounts of rural interstate? Yeah, I'm just fine with going 75 if thats the option.

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Yep they survey the Interstate every year looking for repairs and new dangers... Nothing new about that...


P.S Keep it up you are very hard to argue with.... Your making me have to work hard...

P.S when did I say NO speed limits ???

My parents Jeep has a function that if the indicator is on to long it beeps loudly... about time....

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Originally Posted by Escape_Driver

P.S when did I say NO speed limits ???

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It is an implication. You have said several times that "Speed limits = taxes." The implication here is that they are an unjust and secretive tax. The logical extension is that they should be removed. Combine that with references to the unregulated sections of the autobahn, and you are talking about removing speed limits on interstates. You say training could make up for the decreased safety at higher, unregulated speeds. I say that the solution is a hell of a lot more expensive than the problem. Essentially, mandatory advanced driver training is a ticket that everyone pays because a small minority wants to drive faster. That is not cool in my book. I am content with the speed limit the way it is so you need to offer some benefit to me in order to change my opinion. You can't, because your entire arguement rests on your desire to drive faster.

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Originally Posted by Escape_Driver

Yep they survey the Interstate every year looking for repairs and new dangers... Nothing new about that...

P.S Keep it up you are very hard to argue with.... Your making me have to work hard...

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It's not a simple upkeep survey I am talking about. I am talking about a study involving: weather conditions impact on extreme speeds, the interaction between commercial vehicles and passenger vehicles at extreme speeds, the usability of current entry and exit lanes onto existing freeways while accounting for increased speeds, the development of techniques to minimize passing on the right which moves from being a nuisance to an extreme danger at unregulated speeds, the efficacy of existing safety technologies at extreme speeds, traffic flow at extreme speeds with a focus on change in likelihood of severe multivehicle accidents. You understand, I could go on for quite a while with finding questions that would need to be answered. These aren't questions that would need to be answered only once either, as situations vary wildly from state to state. Getting rid of speed limits would likely be more expensive to taxpayers than keeping them.

WOW I just found something out Look at this

Section 2B.13 of Federal Highway Administration manual recommends setting scientifically reasonable limits for all types of roads, then enforcing the limits with narrow tolerance.

Specifically, Section 2B.13 says limits should be set within 5 mph of the speed used by 85 percent of motorists traveling in free-flowing traffic. This approach, said a federal study - RD-85/096 - produces speed limits that are acceptable to a large majority of motorists and achieve the lowest accident risk.

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Originally Posted by Escape_Driver

WOW I just found something out Look at this

Section 2B.13 of Federal Highway Administration manual recommends setting scientifically reasonable limits for all types of roads, then enforcing the limits with narrow tolerance.

Specifically, Section 2B.13 says limits should be set within 5 mph of the speed used by 85 percent of motorists traveling in free-flowing traffic. This approach, said a federal study - RD-85/096 - produces speed limits that are acceptable to a large majority of motorists and achieve the lowest accident risk.

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Uhm, yeah, Florida did that and they selected 70 as the interstate speed limit (I commonly say 75 because Florida law makes speeding less than 5 MPH over the limit a warning only offense).
Florida DOT

So now speed limits aren't taxes but have a serious scientific basis in maintaing reasonable safety?

No Speed limits set to Low are Taxes

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Originally Posted by Escape_Driver

No Speed limits set to Low are Taxes

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Set too low? The Florida DOT set the interstate speed limit at 70 according to the 85th percentile rule. That was good enough traffic control theory when you assumed it wasn't being applied, why isn't it good enough now? You do realize that you fall into the 15% that doesn't like the speed limit, right? You are already statistically accounted for and dismissed.