Obesity is now a disease.

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July 16th, 2004, 11:07 AM
Seeker

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Originally Posted by meatwad

Anorexia and obesity isn't a disease. It's a side effect of being f***ed in the head. The "disease" is whatever screwed up s*** is going on with your state of self worth. Fix that, and the side effects will go with it.

Yes...it is called a "mental" disease...
July 16th, 2004, 11:09 AM
meatwad

I feel bad because I lose compassion for the miniscule percentage that deserves it when all these other fat@$$es bitch that they want unemployment and free healthcare because they have "a disease". I'm tired of wasting my money on stupid people.
July 16th, 2004, 11:13 AM
imaeditedbysowulo

Well I'll be d*mned, they are diseases according to the current definition of disease.

Quote:

dis·ease ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-zz)
n.

1. A pathological condition of a part, organ, or system of an organism resulting from various causes, such as infection, genetic defect, or environmental stress, and characterized by an identifiable group of signs or symptoms.
2. A condition or tendency, as of society, regarded as abnormal and harmful.

I would like to see a definition for the word from about 25 years ago, I just can't grasp labeling these things as diseases.
July 16th, 2004, 11:14 AM
amyb

Quote:

Originally Posted by imaeditedbysowulo

Well I'll be d*mned, they are diseases according to the current definition of disease.

I would like to see a definition for the word from about 25 years ago, I just can't grasp labeling these things as diseases.

Becasue the defination is PC.
July 16th, 2004, 11:14 AM
meatwad

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seeker

Yes...it is called a "mental" disease...

So I need to pay some doctor to make them "feel better about themselves" to get them to eat again?
July 16th, 2004, 11:16 AM
meatwad

I have a disease. I don't like to go to work. When I wake up in the morning I dread going into the shop and dealing with all the crap that goes on there, but I'm too lazy to find another job and it's society's fault. Do I have a disease?
July 16th, 2004, 11:21 AM
jitBob

As another little exercise hint.

Wake up in the morning and jog to the bathroom

Then

Walk back to bed. https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif
July 16th, 2004, 11:30 AM
Stalemate

Quote:

Originally Posted by jitBob

As another little exercise hint.

Wake up in the morning and jog to the bathroom

Then

Walk back to bed. https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2005/03/1.gif

I do that all the time though. :confused:
July 16th, 2004, 11:32 AM
imaeditedbysowulo

How about getting up to change the channel on the television instead of using the remote? I'm not sure if there are even buttons on the tv to do that. What a difference 20 years makes!
July 16th, 2004, 11:34 AM
Stalemate

Quote:

Originally Posted by meatwad

I have a disease. I don't like to go to work. When I wake up in the morning I dread going into the shop and dealing with all the crap that goes on there, but I'm too lazy to find another job and it's society's fault. Do I have a disease?

Yes.

Social Anxiety Disorder, or even anthropophobia which could bring about panic attacks.

Better be careful and take some pills.

Any pills will do.
July 16th, 2004, 11:39 AM
gazzak

Quote:

Originally Posted by inferno_gn

Hi there,

It's a American culture now.

Ju Leon...

You've not visited Hemel Hempstead recently then? :devil: (England)
July 16th, 2004, 11:46 AM
Johnny Blaze

There's only one person to blame :

http://www.net4nowt.com/uploaded_ima..._macdonald.jpg
July 16th, 2004, 11:53 AM
Tekboy

I know a lot of fat people in the computer industry. I believe it is because the only exercise most of us get is running off at the mouth and jumping to conclusions. I gained 20 pounds after I quit smoking six years ago, and I am still not overweight.

People who think alcoholism is not a disease have obviously never read this:

http://silkworth.net/silkworth/doctorsopinion.html

and have never watched someone they love suffer from alcoholism.

I am not worried about my anonymity here, since I am naught but an avatar and a bunch of electrons while I am here ;) But I suffer from the disease of alcoholism, and I know beyond any sophistries that indeed it is a disease, and a fatal one at that.

It is most easily diagnosable in my case, since once I take a drink, I am absolutely unable to stop, until stopped by some external factor, such as steel bracelets, straitjackets, etc. My story is not the least bit uncommon. There is a physical craving which is set off by the introduction of alcohol into the body of an alcoholic. This is a well established medical fact, and has nothing to do with opinion.

Read the Bible, particularly the story of Noah. Stuff happens to alcoholics that does not happen to "normal" people. I have been clean and sober for nearly 13 years now. But I have no illusions left about it. I simply cannot control my drinking, just like so many other alcoholics down through the ages. All I can do is not start, since once I start, I cannot/will not stop. Complete abstinence from alcohol is one of my main priorities in life today.

So if even Ya_Know is calling for compassion in this thread, as politically correct as he is <grin>, maybe some of the rest of us can be more informed.

Do I think obesity is a disease? In some cases, it would certainly appear to be. But diet and lifestyle obviously have an effect as well. As does age. I am 54, and I have put on a little around the middle, particularly since I no longer smoke, and my blood cells have an increased ability to carry food to the other cells. Sure are a great deal of factors involved in weight!
July 16th, 2004, 11:56 AM
meatwad

Quote:

Originally Posted by a d e p t

Yes.

Social Anxiety Disorder, or even anthropophobia which could bring about panic attacks.

Better be careful and take some pills.

Any pills will do.

I found these little white ones. Only 1 1/2 calories!
July 16th, 2004, 12:04 PM
Camaro80z

Here is some great news!

Scientists seeking cure for obesity

:thumbs:
July 16th, 2004, 12:07 PM
Titchski

Quote:

Originally Posted by gazzak

You've not visited Hemel Hempstead recently then? :devil: (England)

I was watching a repeat of the Fast Show last night and the Fat Sweaty Coppers were on - do they pound the beat in Hemel Hempstead then d'ya think Gaz?

I love it when they commandeer a vehicle for police business and it turns out to be a burger van :D
July 16th, 2004, 12:29 PM
inferno_gn

Hi there,

We're bascially overeating. Not only that, it's all the crap what we eat. Chemicals, oils, MSG. Look at the ingedients now, they are words that can't be pronounce or even understandable for the average person.

I don't think there is really any diseases here. It's all man-made and our stupidity. Not to mention the culture that "looks" is important, having the perfect body, etc. Tell you what, it's 100% BS.

Now, just eat right, exercise a bit (even talking 10 minutes walk is good) and enjoy life.

Ju Leon...
July 16th, 2004, 12:36 PM
Zil

This thread reminds me of two words:

Pork Beasts
July 16th, 2004, 12:43 PM
jitBob

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tekboy

I know a lot of fat people in the computer industry. I believe it is because the only exercise most of us get is running off at the mouth and jumping to conclusions. I gained 20 pounds after I quit smoking six years ago, and I am still not overweight.

People who think alcoholism is not a disease have obviously never read this:

http://silkworth.net/silkworth/doctorsopinion.html

and have never watched someone they love suffer from alcoholism.

I am not worried about my anonymity here, since I am naught but an avatar and a bunch of electrons while I am here ;) But I suffer from the disease of alcoholism, and I know beyond any sophistries that indeed it is a disease, and a fatal one at that.

It is most easily diagnosable in my case, since once I take a drink, I am absolutely unable to stop, until stopped by some external factor, such as steel bracelets, straitjackets, etc. My story is not the least bit uncommon. There is a physical craving which is set off by the introduction of alcohol into the body of an alcoholic. This is a well established medical fact, and has nothing to do with opinion.

Read the Bible, particularly the story of Noah. Stuff happens to alcoholics that does not happen to "normal" people. I have been clean and sober for nearly 13 years now. But I have no illusions left about it. I simply cannot control my drinking, just like so many other alcoholics down through the ages. All I can do is not start, since once I start, I cannot/will not stop. Complete abstinence from alcohol is one of my main priorities in life today.

So if even Ya_Know is calling for compassion in this thread, as politically correct as he is <grin>, maybe some of the rest of us can be more informed.

Do I think obesity is a disease? In some cases, it would certainly appear to be. But diet and lifestyle obviously have an effect as well. As does age. I am 54, and I have put on a little around the middle, particularly since I no longer smoke, and my blood cells have an increased ability to carry food to the other cells. Sure are a great deal of factors involved in weight!

Protected by Smith & Wilson are ya? https://forums.windrivers.com/images.../2006/04/1.gif
July 16th, 2004, 01:11 PM
Major Kong

When I was in college during the last century I got one of my degrees in Environmental Health and Health Education. Our department head was Dr. Monroe T Morgan who literally wrote the book for the field...http://images.alibris.com/isbn/0/5/3/4/5/053451717X.gif Now back in 1978 the definition for disease was dis - "not at" and ease. Basically it took the word back to it's root as meaning not at ease or ill at ease. Diseases were classified as being natural or man made (no distinguishing characteristics were made) and then broken down further through vectors and symptoms (epidemiology at it's most basic). From there it was classified as endemic, epidemic and pandemic.
Endemic = what would be normally statistically expected within the population.
Epidemic = At least one case more that what would be statistically normal.
Pandemic = Close the borders and lock the doors.

Just a little insight to 26 years ago. :thumbs2:
July 16th, 2004, 01:15 PM
Cobra X

I heard your dad went into a restaurant and ate all the food and they had to close the restaurant.
July 16th, 2004, 01:24 PM
Major Kong

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobra X

I heard your dad went into a restaurant and ate all the food and they had to close the restaurant.

Only if it was a Calabash Restaurant! :thumbs2:
July 16th, 2004, 01:26 PM
Cleetus

Nothing worse then a fat guy passed out on someones porch/backyard
July 16th, 2004, 01:36 PM
Cobra X

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cleetus

Nothing worse then a fat guy passed out on someones porch/backyard

Uh hee hee haw haw!
July 16th, 2004, 03:52 PM
gazzak

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobra X

I heard your dad went into a restaurant and ate all the food and they had to close the restaurant.

just one small wafer meeeester, just one meester, cmon, you must have room for one small waaafeeeeerrrrr
July 16th, 2004, 05:13 PM
techs

Soylent Green is.....PEOPLE ITS PEOPLE!
Thank you sir, may I have some more?
July 16th, 2004, 07:07 PM
jaeger

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titchski

I looked at myself in the mirror the other day and realised that I have to change my lifestyle. Its not so much that I'm overweight (5'5" and 145lbs) its just that its packed on my gut making me look like Adepts purple avatar thing :devil:

I need to do two things 1. Change my diet and 2. Exercise

The food thing is simple, I'm going to change from a light breakfast and two big meals a day to eating small portions, more often.

Not sure how to go about getting exercise, I guess I could join a gym but that involves money I ain't really got right now. I hate doing sit ups so if anyones got any ideas for non sit up exercise, pass them along!

Cheers :thumbs:

Swim laps. Keep your pace up, don't let yourself fall into a slow rythym. The first goal is cardio and swimming will do that, but it will also burn off some fat. Builds up your chest, shoulders, and back nicely as well, depending on the stroke. I can't recommend a specific regimen, as I don't know how good a swimmer you are or what kind of shape you are in. Swimming is definitely better than jogging as jogging can really do a number on your knees and shins, but swimming does take longer. You've got the right weather to do it at least.
July 16th, 2004, 08:21 PM
meatwad

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaeger

Swim laps. Keep your pace up, don't let yourself fall into a slow rythym. The first goal is cardio and swimming will do that, but it will also burn off some fat. Builds up your chest, shoulders, and back nicely as well, depending on the stroke. I can't recommend a specific regimen, as I don't know how good a swimmer you are or what kind of shape you are in. Swimming is definitely better than jogging as jogging can really do a number on your knees and shins, but swimming does take longer. You've got the right weather to do it at least.

I've got a buddy who rides bikes. In high school he weighed about 165 and ran cross country. Then he graduated and kept somewhat active and bobbed around 165-170. Wasn't so active for a while and got up to 215. Started riding bikes again and got down to 185. Got lazy and is probably around 225-235 now.
July 16th, 2004, 08:50 PM
jaeger

Quote:

Originally Posted by meatwad

I've got a buddy who rides bikes. In high school he weighed about 165 and ran cross country. Then he graduated and kept somewhat active and bobbed around 165-170. Wasn't so active for a while and got up to 215. Started riding bikes again and got down to 185. Got lazy and is probably around 225-235 now.

Bikes can cause a few problems. Extended riding can restrict blood flow in the groin and inflict sexual performance problems. Biking in the full heat of a Florida summer is a b***h and a half. Thats one perk of swimming; you don't don't walk away from a hundred laps sweating and stinking.
July 17th, 2004, 12:06 PM
gazzak

Nothing worse than man breasts

https://forums.windrivers.com/
July 17th, 2004, 01:23 PM
techs

Quote:

Originally Posted by gazzak

Nothing worse than man breasts

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I'm not sure even the Manzeer could help him

http://www.morrisdesigns.com/images/...alevest200.jpg

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