Terror alert info 3-4 years old.

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Originally Posted by Zil

Making excuses for yourself now?

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Yeah, I'm so sorry yall, I actually read books and don't solely rely on the internet. There is no way possible that I can actually debate any of you internet genious minds :rolleyes:

Then again I do so love a president whose staff was repeatedly warned about attacks and they sat on the information. Wasn't that Bush's suppossed great quality, running a great stafff?

OH yeah, and the quote about the space stuff, nah, I was just giving you a hard time with the whole stupid links argument(wanted to be first to say it :p ), I could care less about the space stuff.

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Originally Posted by Zil

I'm gonna stay in this because you obviously have no idea what the hell you are talking about.


Can the Shuttle fly to Mars? No. Then getting rid of it is the first step to changing the way NASA operates. Again, it doesn't take 9 months to revamp the entire Space Program, it will be done over a period of years.

He proposed 15 BILLION EXTRA DOLLARS for NASA, how is that cutting the funding? You have no links again, you have no proof, just theories and "this is what I think".

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I don't think I need to post any links. I will just use the ones you posted earlier in this thread to support my position:

First off Bush proposed The funding added for exploration will total $12 billion over the next five years. Most of this added funding for new exploration will come from reallocation of $11 billion that is currently within the five-year total NASA budget of $86 billion.
So Bush proposed 2.5 billion a year more in funding. But its NOT NEW FUNDING. In fact he proposed 1 billion more in new funding over 5 years. THAT'S ONLY 200,000 A YEAR IN NEW FUNDING.

Under the plan, a robot would go to the Moon around 2008. The first manned flight would occur between 2015 and 2020
A robot is ging to the moon in 2008? In about three years? Are they building it now? When will man get there? Since first Bush proposed we set up a permanent manned station on the moon. At this rate we will go to Mars in say 2040? Or 2060? Or never?

Second, the United States will begin developing a new manned exploration vehicle to explore beyond our orbit to other worlds -- the first of its kind since the Apollo Command Module. The new spacecraft, the Crew Exploration Vehicle, will be developed and tested by 2008 and will conduct its first manned mission no later than 2014. The Crew Exploration Vehicle will also be capable of transporting astronauts and scientists to the International Space Station after the Shuttle is retired
So we will replace the Shuttle no later than 2014? NO. It will be tested, as in send it up on one mission 2014. Well that's ten years from now. Which is the reason "we will fulfill our minimum obligations" to the international space station?
And if its going to be developed and "tested" by 2008 shouldn't it be being built NOW? And NASA is supposed to design and build it with no added funds? Except for the 200 million a year?

So basically its stop what were doing now. And lets plan on our kids and grandkids exploring space. Cause we won't

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Originally Posted by techs

I don't think I need to post any links. I will just use the ones you posted earlier in this thread to support my position:

First off Bush proposed The funding added for exploration will total $12 billion over the next five years. Most of this added funding for new exploration will come from reallocation of $11 billion that is currently within the five-year total NASA budget of $86 billion.
So Bush proposed 2.5 billion a year more in funding. But its NOT NEW FUNDING. In fact he proposed 1 billion more in new funding over 5 years. THAT'S ONLY 200,000 A YEAR IN NEW FUNDING.

Under the plan, a robot would go to the Moon around 2008. The first manned flight would occur between 2015 and 2020
A robot is ging to the moon in 2008? In about three years? Are they building it now? When will man get there? Since first Bush proposed we set up a permanent manned station on the moon. At this rate we will go to Mars in say 2040? Or 2060? Or never?

Second, the United States will begin developing a new manned exploration vehicle to explore beyond our orbit to other worlds -- the first of its kind since the Apollo Command Module. The new spacecraft, the Crew Exploration Vehicle, will be developed and tested by 2008 and will conduct its first manned mission no later than 2014. The Crew Exploration Vehicle will also be capable of transporting astronauts and scientists to the International Space Station after the Shuttle is retired
So we will replace the Shuttle no later than 2014? NO. It will be tested, as in send it up on one mission 2014. Well that's ten years from now. Which is the reason "we will fulfill our minimum obligations" to the international space station?
And if its going to be developed and "tested" by 2008 shouldn't it be being built NOW? And NASA is supposed to design and build it with no added funds? Except for the 200 million a year?

So basically its stop what were doing now. And lets plan on our kids and grandkids exploring space. Cause we won't

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So what happened to these points:

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Originally Posted by techs

Ending manned spaceflight as a means to plan for going to Mars? Makes no sense. Cutting NASA's budget? Yes, Bush wants to go to Mars.
In your dreams.
Bye

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You just shot down both of your own points.

Your point that Bush is cutting NASA's budget. There is additional funding (not as much as I thought, point conceded there). It is realocated from the Shuttle program to exploration, which means less Shuttle flights, more money for the development of the new vehicle.

Ending manned spaceflight? It gives a timetable for the retirement of the Shuttle and the development of the new launch vehicle (6-10 years is plenty of time to develop and test the new vehicle). Shuttle retirement = 2010 -2014.
New vehicle development and testing = 2008 - 20??.

As I said before, as much as I love space exploration and all the benefits, I don't think that exploring Mars and the Moon right now or in the next 20 years is as important as keeping the country safe.